Hypocrita
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 82
- Joined: 2014/12/26 15:55:49
- Status: offline
Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
Good morning everyone, hope all is well!
I realized something rather odd this morning concerning Addictive Drums 2 inside Sonar Platinum versus the standalone: it sounds noticeably different than what I set up in the standalone version. Everything is much thinner, most significant is that the kick lacks punch, as does the snare and toms, inside Sonar Platinum.
Basically I would like to know what exactly the problem may be, and what I could do to rectify it.
Right now, I've got it set up so that Sonar creates a MIDI source, track folder, and audio tracks for each mono output. Inside AD2, I have everything set up as a separate out (post fader) going also to the master. The MIDI itself is set up to go to a custom drum map.
Any advice is welcome. =-)
Also if any other info is needed, just let me know!
|
Slugbaby
Max Output Level: -33.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4172
- Joined: 2004/10/01 13:57:37
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 13:25:27
(permalink)
It's probably a routing issue.
Check where your AD outputs are directed, the Sonar audio tracks that are bringing the sounds into Sonar, and any busses. My guess is that your gain staging isn't optimal.
|
Mistergreen
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 155
- Joined: 2012/12/20 11:05:03
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 13:40:27
(permalink)
I do separate outs pre-fader without master. Do you have a stereo track in Sonar for the AD master? If not then just do separate out. Keep in mind the standalone goes through the master bus in AD which may have effects on it. That may contribute to the different sound you're hearing.
Intel Core i7 3770K Quad-Core 3.5 GHz Asus P8Z77-V LK 16 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) ASUS 512 MB DDR3 Graphics Card 8400GS-SL-512MD3 SIIG FireWire 2-Port PCIe (NN-E20012-S2) WD VelociRaptor 250 & 500 Windows 7 64 bit CbB 2018.07 x64 Saffire Pro 40
|
dwardzala
Max Output Level: -61 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1470
- Joined: 2008/05/26 19:18:33
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 14:26:00
(permalink)
Do you have AD playback sync'ed with transport? If so you may be playing both the midi part through AD and the pattern preview in AD which may be causing phase issues.
DaveMain Studio- Core i5 @2.67GHz, 16Gb Ram, (2) 500Gb HDs, (1) 360 Gb HD MotU Ultralite AVB, Axiom 49 Midi Controller, Akai MPD18 Midi Controller Win10 x64 Home Sonar 2017.06 Platinum (and X3e, X2c, X1d) Mobile Studio - Sager NP8677 (i7-6700HQ @2.67MHz, 16G Ram, 250G SSD, 1T HD) M-Box Mini v. 2 Win 10 x64 Home Sonar 2016.10 Platinum Check out my original music: https://soundcloud.com/d-wardzala/sets/d-wardzala-original-music
|
Hypocrita
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 82
- Joined: 2014/12/26 15:55:49
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 15:28:22
(permalink)
Thanks so much everyone for your responses and suggestions, I appreciate it!
Looks like I had a mix of almost everything going on here.
Slugbaby, my gain staging was... Strange, to say the least. Fixed now.
Mistergreen, I had everything going to a separate out and the master, excluding the master seems to have fixed the remaining weirdness after fixing the gain staging.
Dwardzala, that's a new one for me. How would I check that in case I need to in the future?
Thanks again everyone!
Computer Specifications: Operating System Windows 10 Home 64-bit CPU AMD FX-6300 RAM 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 Motherboard MSI 760GM-P34(FX) (MS-7641) (CPU1) Graphics 2048MB ATI AMD Radeon R7 360 Series (ATI AIB) Storage 931GB TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 (SATA) Audio TASCAM US-1200
|
dwardzala
Max Output Level: -61 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1470
- Joined: 2008/05/26 19:18:33
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 21:36:46
(permalink)
If you have AD open, you can preview patterns using the play button in AD. If you press play on Sonar's transport and the preview pattern also starts playing you will hear both. Usually they are the same so it only sounds a little off.
DaveMain Studio- Core i5 @2.67GHz, 16Gb Ram, (2) 500Gb HDs, (1) 360 Gb HD MotU Ultralite AVB, Axiom 49 Midi Controller, Akai MPD18 Midi Controller Win10 x64 Home Sonar 2017.06 Platinum (and X3e, X2c, X1d) Mobile Studio - Sager NP8677 (i7-6700HQ @2.67MHz, 16G Ram, 250G SSD, 1T HD) M-Box Mini v. 2 Win 10 x64 Home Sonar 2016.10 Platinum Check out my original music: https://soundcloud.com/d-wardzala/sets/d-wardzala-original-music
|
greg_moreira
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 84
- Joined: 2017/02/08 14:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 21:58:11
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/03/09 13:21:18
what about the midi you use to trigger it and the velocity of the hits?
I imagine if you set up within addictive drummer or click around... it probably gives full velocity hits making the kit sound like its been pounded on a little harder.
if you craft up some midi and the velocity on all the hits are low.. it would trigger soft hits from the kick.
just a thought, but could be part of the reason
|
robert_e_bone
Moderator
- Total Posts : 8968
- Joined: 2007/12/26 22:09:28
- Location: Palatine, IL
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 22:49:26
(permalink)
I don't know if this applies to your situation, but I will share my thoughts just in case it does.
I generally use Battery 3 for my midi drums, because I have used it for years, and it sounds great most of the time.
Anyways - I too route each kit piece to its own audio outputs, however not all of the kit pieces in a particular kit are mono - several may well be stereo. Most of the time, the snare and kick seem to be stereo - where left may be top and right might be bottom, for the snare, and so on.
I am in the middle of a bunch of stuff, and apologize, as I cannot go load up a project and tell you how to figure out which kit pieces are stereo/mono - plus I am a bit brain dead from doing an 1100 mile drive to help a friend move.
Anyways - in addition to what the others posted above, perhaps you can check to see if you are missing some of the sound of kit pieces that are meant to be routed as stereo, versus mono.
Hope that helps,
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
|
Viamichael
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 174
- Joined: 2003/11/06 16:23:49
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/08 23:10:57
(permalink)
I have had the same issue. Mine have to do with the correct drum map. I have used BFD drums forever and never had one issue. Sometimes I get things right with AD2, sometimes I just beat my head against the wall.
|
dlion16
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 391
- Joined: 2007/03/08 15:21:55
- Location: East Quogue, NY
- Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums 2 Sounds Different Inside Sonar Vs. Standalone
2017/03/09 16:17:12
(permalink)
Not at my pc, there's a thread about ad2 on this forum that includes a track template and drum map. That helped me, along with lots of ad2 videos on cw and yt.
There are many ways to do drums. I adapted the ad2 template to snare, kick, hh in mono, oh and room in stereo. Sounds the most real to me.
SONAR Platinum Lifetime 64-bit; Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2nd Gen.; KRK Rokit 5; ASUS P9X79; INTEL I7-3820 3.6 GHZ;850 WATT POWER SUPPLY; EVGA NVIDIA GTX560 TI 1GB;Windows 10 Home 64-bit; 32GB RAM;2 Internal SSD Drives, 3 External USB drives.
|