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Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
I recently upgraded to Sonar Platinum from X3. For Addictive Drums 2, we get to choose 3 ADPaks (kits), which are listed on this page: http://www.xlnaudio.com/products/adpak I am listening to the sound demos now, so I can get a rough idea of how the kits sound relative to each other. I also know roughly which genres interest me. However, what I don't have a sense of is how much overlap there is with some of the ADPaks with the drum kits already bundled with Sonar Platinum (e.g., Session Drummer 3, Dimension Pro) and Native Instruments Komplete (e.g., Battery 4, Studio Drummer, Abbey Road 60s and 80s, which I bought separately). So my question is this: Which 3 Addictive Drums 2 ADPaks would you recommend, based on sound quality and uniqueness relative to each other and to the other drum kits already included in Sonar Platinum and Native Instruments Komplete? Thanks!
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2016/01/09 14:32:21
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I cannot tell if you are just listening to the demos on their web pages or actually listening to the kits inside AD2. I would recommend the latter. All the kits play inside AD2 and may provide a better idea of what they sound like in SONAR.
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☄ Helpfulby PFTwanger 2016/06/03 23:16:33
It really depends on what type of music you intend to create with them/what kind of drum sounds you like.
If you elaborated more on that then your query would be easier to answer... but all answers would likely be highly subjective.
Because I do rock/metal but often dabble in more traditional styles I went with...
Fairfax 1 (clean, well produced kit that is good for rock but as a general up front/full bodied/punchy kit)
Metal (suuuuper tight and snappy kit with triggers and all the garnish you'd expect for modern and old school metal)
Indie (more vintage, less tight, more "swoosh" and "bomp" type sound, supposed to be for "indie" rock but can easily be used for "oldies" rock, big band, classic country, whatever you'd use an older kit/analog studio production for).
I REAAAAALY wanted the Jazz Brushes and Sticks combo (which are two separate ADpaks) but figured they would not provide me with enough usage for what I'm likely to make money on.
For the MIDIpaks I got the Metal one, the Jazz sticks one (IIRC) and the Modern Jazz one (IIRC).
I just wanted the most interesting and complex fills and beats I'd never be able to play or program myself so those seemed like the best options. I used to play drums at an intermediate level (but self taught... kind of a hack really but I fake it well) so the other MIDIpaks did not offer anything I could not play live on my padKontrol or program... and really Sonar comes with a buttload of the simpelr beats anyway for rock and blues and crap like that. They'd just need to be remapped to trigger AD2.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/09 15:07:28
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How do you listen to the ADpaks from within Addictive Drums 2?
Using the XLN Online Installer, it doesn't seem that I can install Addictive Drums 2 until I first select at least 1 of the 3 ADPaks, 3 MIDI packs, and/or 3 Kitpiece paks.
If I install the Addictive Drums 2 demo, will that install the Addictive Drums 2 VST plugin? Is that the same plugin as the non-demo version, but with no kits installed? (I didn't want to install a demo if I should be installing the real thing).
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2016/01/09 15:17:11
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As noted, highly subjective and genre dependent. I will share my choices (I too have Komplete and Maschine, so the dilemma was somewhat similar).
Reel Machines - I found this useful for my more "Experimental" songs. My favorite of the 3 so far.
Black Velvet - I wanted these for larger than life drums. With a bit of tweaking they provide just that.
Studio pop - Is what it sounds like. I wish I would have picked Fairfax instead, I never use this ADPAK. This one was a mistake (my bad).
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/09 15:38:05
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As for what genres seem most appropriate:
I tend to create long, rhythmic, groove-based tracks with improvisation on the top. There's elements of jazz, reggae, and krautrock, but I also love listening to post-punk, so I'm always trying to inject a raw, rock-based feel into it as well. Some of the biggest influences would be Fela Kuti (afrobeat), Can (krautrock), Miles Davis (jazz), and Shriekback (post-punk).
I don't like purely "electronic" music very much (techno, drum-and-bass, dubstep, etc.) so I do NOT want electronic-sounding kits; I have enough of those with Battery 4 anyway.
Because my songs tend to be long, I love having kits with lots of drum sounds (toms, bongos, etc.) which can add variety and texture. I prefer to use one kit per song, rather than multiple kits (a standard kit for kick/snare/hat and a percussion kit for toms/bongos/effects). So, even if a kit sounds awesome, but doesn't have much variety, I probably won't use it.
As for the MIDI packs and loops and stuff, well, I almost never use other people's loops, because I like to play everything myself. I wouldn't mind browsing some loops as a learning experience, though. The reggae ones might be cool. Anyway, I'm not worried about which MIDI packs I choose; it's the ADpaks which concern me most right now.
Does that help clarify?
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☄ Helpfulby PFTwanger 2016/06/03 23:18:55
You can mix and match kits when using AD2. So any kits you pick up you can build your own from their various kitpeices... BUT there are limits. Like you gotta replace cymbals with cymbals and toms with toms... crap like that which I think is kind of lame. You do get "perc" slots though that are a little more flexible.
IIRC there is an ADPak that has a bunch of "world" percussion types sounds that might suit your needs.
Also you get three independent kit piece options (at least I did with SPlat). So you can choose from various snares and whatnot (I picked up some nice alternate snares). There are some oddball options in those choices like a Djembe (I think) and other non standard pieces so check those out.
For kits that are flexible for your style you may want to look at the Prog kit (but that came with AD1 as well so if you have that it's duplication... but you HAVE to use it in AD1 unless you buy an upgrade license for all your old AD1 kits... which is annoying)... or the Black Velvet or the Fairfax 1 (or maybe 2) kit.
Personally I'd recommend the Fairfax 1 kit because it's likely more flexible and tight for what you want to do and there are lots of presets that mangle it sufficiently. The Fairfax 2 kit is more old school sounding (like sixties/seventies rock) so may not be as modern/flexible for your needs.
That would leave you with one more kit so maybe the Prog or Reel Machines. The Prog kit may just be more of the same of the Fairfax 1 though... just a little tighter but not as full sounding. Reel Machines might give you some extra industrial wackiness but IDK.
However I am not particularly familiar with the drum/percussion sounds of the bands you are talking about... so maybe something like the Indie kit would be more suitable which mangles up quite nicely as well. It's just not very punchy/snappy as a "real" kit.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/09 23:47:22
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Beepster said: <<IIRC there is an ADPak that has a bunch of "world" percussion types sounds that might suit your needs.>> Beepster, are you talking about the "Session Percussion" AdPak? I haven't seen any other AdPak which has anything close to what you might consider "World" drums. And that is extremely limited. It only includes the following:
Kick: 32x20" Kolberg Percussion Concert Extras:Snare: 12x6" Brazilian Caixa - LP Wood Block HiHat: 14" Sabian AAX Stage - LP Plastic Block Toms: - LP Tambourine (left-right hits) - 11" Skin on Skin Conga - Brazilian Pandeiro & Kick-Snare-Hihat - 13" Skin on Skin Conga - 14" LP Tito Puente Timbale Optional: - 15" LP Tito Puente Timbale - Brazilian Pandeiro (can be loaded into Kick, Snare and Hihat slots)
Cymbals: - 8" Meinl Byzance - 14" Zildjian A New Beat - 16" Masterwork Custom - 18" Zildjian K Custom Hybrid Crash - 22" Zildjian K Vintage If anyone knows of another AdPak or kit which has more world percussion sounds, please let me know. (EDIT: I do see that they have a couple more foreign kit-pieces available separately: Djembe, Sangban, Timbau - but that's it)
That is my one big complaint about Addictive Drums -- the lack of unique percussion sounds from around the world. Everything seems to be based around a traditional rock-and-roll kit with a handful of very mildly exotic South American options thrown it. It is such a great interface otherwise and I love it. But I would like more percussion options from Africa, the Middle East, India, the Far East, the Pacific, etc.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/10 14:28:54
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I see that Addictive Drums 1 is already installed and accessible via Sonar.
When I click on the upper left, I see a menu, with an "AD" submenu. Under that is Clean, Distorted, Electronica, etc. and below each of those is a number of presets.
How can I tell which kits or ADpaks are already installed for Addictive Drums 1? Or are the ADpaks only for Addictive Drums 2?
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/10 14:35:33
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AD1 included Drumkits. AD2 does not other than the demo. The 3 ADPaks which made up the kits included with AD1 are the Studio kits. I believe XLN will not let you purchase the Studio kits individually if you already own AD1. Instead they insist you purchase the upgrade from AD1. All the other ADPaks may be part of your Producer pack redemption.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/10 18:47:37
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The AD2 upgrade was free/included with SONAR for a while there. Not sure about how to see which kits etc. you have in AD1. In AD2, when you clik on the name of the currently loaded default kit in the upper left, a window opens called "Preset Browser" which shows what you have.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/11 07:36:19
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Indeed the listening on XLN site is a bit misleading. I have bought five packs and c. 10 midis. Most happy with Jazz brushes, Jazz sticks (both also very good for rock and pop) and Fairfax 1. Any midi with "song" in the name is good.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/11 10:13:07
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Is there a better source of sound examples than the XLN site?
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/11 10:26:53
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AD2 itself can play demos of all the kits. Load the plug-in in to SONAR and click the Explore button (pointed to by the red arrow), scroll through the kits using the arrow keys (red boxes) and play the presets on the screen. 
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2016/01/11 10:32:55
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That sounds great, but I think I'm stuck in a catch-22: Using the XLN Online Installer, it doesn't seem that I can install Addictive Drums 2 until I first select at least 1 of the 3 ADPaks, 3 MIDI packs, and/or 3 Kitpiece paks. So, I can't install AD2 until I pick an ADpak, but it's hard to choose an ADpak until I've heard how it sounds within AD2. :)
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
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Is there a better source of sound examples than the XLN site?
Not sure about "better," but it's interesting, and may be useful. Basically, it's a guy playing a MIDI keyboard through the standalone app, using the demo presets for each kit. If not helpful, at least it'll be a diversion from thinking about Bowie.
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Thanks, I'll check out that video, and the demos page.
Distractions are good today! :(
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IMO, they are all very good/easy to get quick results that sound good. I do have all the adpaks and they all have their unique sound/groves to them.....to be honest, you really can't go wrong with any of them. I had to get them all as I just couldn't make up my mind on which to get (after getting the initial bundle of 3's) and I do like all of them.
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Beepster said: <<IIRC there is an ADPak that has a bunch of "world" percussion types sounds that might suit your needs.>>
Beepster, are you talking about the "Session Percussion" AdPak? I haven't seen any other AdPak which has anything close to what you might consider "World" drums. And that is extremely limited. It only includes the following:
Kick: 32x20" Kolberg Percussion Concert Extras:
Snare: 12x6" Brazilian Caixa - LP Wood Block
HiHat: 14" Sabian AAX Stage - LP Plastic Block
Toms: - LP Tambourine (left-right hits)
- 11" Skin on Skin Conga - Brazilian Pandeiro & Kick-Snare-Hihat
- 13" Skin on Skin Conga
- 14" LP Tito Puente Timbale Optional:
- 15" LP Tito Puente Timbale - Brazilian Pandeiro (can be loaded into Kick, Snare and Hihat slots)
Cymbals:
- 8" Meinl Byzance
- 14" Zildjian A New Beat
- 16" Masterwork Custom
- 18" Zildjian K Custom Hybrid Crash
- 22" Zildjian K Vintage
If anyone knows of another AdPak or kit which has more world percussion sounds, please let me know.
(EDIT: I do see that they have a couple more foreign kit-pieces available separately: Djembe, Sangban, Timbau - but that's it)
That is my one big complaint about Addictive Drums -- the lack of unique percussion sounds from around the world. Everything seems to be based around a traditional rock-and-roll kit with a handful of very mildly exotic South American options thrown it. It is such a great interface otherwise and I love it. But I would like more percussion options from Africa, the Middle East, India, the Far East, the Pacific, etc.
Yeah... that's the package I was referring to. I didn't bother with it because I wanted kits instead but it did seem like the most "diverse" package of the lot. Since OP seemed to want oddball sounds that (and the single kit pieces) seemed like something to point out. Thing is... AD is really not nearly as diverse as the other drum programs out there and I doubt it ever will be due to the proprietary nature of their samples. It's not like BFD that can load third party sample packs or whatever. They've locked their shiz down and they don't really produce a lot of material. What they do produce and supply though is pretty good and the engine is decent. I particularly like their transient shaper thingie BUT they do limit themselves in many ways. Shame really. If I were to go out of my way to pay for a drum program I'd likely go with BFD3 (I already own Eco). As a "freebie" with Sonar though AD2 is absolutely spectacular to have. Cheers.
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Yes. I agree 100%. I emailed XLN with my comments about their lack of diverse samples and they sent me back a note which essentially said "thank you and we'll bury your comments in our archives."
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/01/12 14:22:18
BRainbow
Yes. I agree 100%. I emailed XLN with my comments about their lack of diverse samples and they sent me back a note which essentially said "thank you and we'll bury your comments in our archives."
No product/company can be all things to all people. I look for products that do what they do very well. I already had AD2 when I switched to SONAR, and was happy to see that it was included with SPlat. That let me pick up 3 more ADPaks, MIDIs and kit pieces. When I need/want more esoteric sounds, I usually pick up a Kontakt instrument, like Indigisounds Steel Pan library. Some day when I have some extra money to spend, I may pick up SD or BFD. As far as focus goes, one of the reasons I landed on SONAR (from S1) was their Windows-only development, without wasting resources on a native Mac version. My greater complaint with XLN is the slowness of their new releases. What have we gotten in the last year? United Pop? Skipped that one. Didn't like the demos one bit. Addictive Trigger and Drum Shaper? No thanks. Products offering solutions to problems/needs I don't have. How about a new AK ADPak, for crying out loud?!?! How about AK2, for that matter.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/12 14:38:16
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I went ahead and got the Session Percussion ADPak. This installed AD2 for me. I was then able to play with Session Percussion and also listen to the previews of the other ADpaks.
It seems like Fairfax 1 gets lots of recommendations. If I get that one as well, what would be a good third ADpak to complement Session Percussion and Fairfax 1?
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/12 14:58:18
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I got Jazz Sticks and Jazz Brushes for some softer mellower options. I like them. Don't know bout the others except Fairfax and Session Percussion which you already got. The jazz packs come with some decent (though limited) jazz grooves that work as a good starting point to get your rhythm tracks going.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/12 15:27:53
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The Studio Pop & Rock ADpaks are very useful to have (if you don't already have them). Those midipaks are also very useful in getting interesting variations when you play them with different ADpaks.
If you like the rock genre, Fairfax 2 is very good for that.....you can actually use it on many other genre's as well.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/12 16:37:48
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If you like the rock genre, Fairfax 2 is very good for that.....you can actually use it on many other genre's as well.
Please don't hold me to this, but I THINK that, when you have both Fairfax 1 and Fairfax 2, you get an additional page of presets across the 2 kits. I don't think the 2 need to be purchased as a bundle. Maybe an extra +1 for Fairfax 2. 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/12 19:36:42
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After holding off for a while I just got doing the Additive Drums 2 upgrade today ... Went with the Session Percussion , Jazz Sticks and Progressive Metal ... So far my initial impressions are The Jazz Sticks Kit is very happening ..I'm very happy w it . The Session Percussion was something I felt I needed because as skimpy as the Kit is , it is still sounds pretty good . The Metal Kit I haven't messed around with yet .. There are a couple of things that have been rubbing me the wrong way about this upgrade ... I dropped a lot of coin on a bunch of XLN midi packs ( around 10 or more of their midi packs ) It appears they think I'm gonna go out and buy them all over since they only show up as demo's in ADD2 ... Please tell me it ain't so  Kenny
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/13 09:00:26
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Kenny, check your account at XLN and see if they're all registered there.
When you run the AD Installer program, all the registered Midipaks should be listed at the bottom (somewhat greyed out), but should all be there.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 - Which ADPaks to get (with Sonar Platinum and NI Komplete)?
2016/01/13 09:51:14
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I will try to look at it later but there is no reason you couldn't use your older purchases. I bought some during AD1 and they are in my browser so I know it works.
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