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Addictive Drums
Hi guys, So I want to try this out in Platinum. When I install I have a choice of 3 deals of 3 Adpaks, Midipaks and Kitpieces. First question - which do I choose and what if I don't like them? Is it a one-time choice? Any demos around? Also, generally, are they good? I have EZDrummer and lots of EZX and Superior Drummer plus Stylus RMX and Komplete Ultimate - do I need Addictive Drums? Do they work with easily selectable midi grooves like EZD? Thanks in advance! M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/24 12:14:39
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/03/25 09:11:53
You can demo all of XLN's stuff directly from within the AD2 plugin before purchasing.
I think AD2 is very good, and integrates very well with Roland vDrums.
I don't have EZ or Superior, so cannot comment on those.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/24 12:33:15
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You'll need to create a drum map to map EZD MIDI grooves to the "notes" that AD2 expects. Unfortunately, EZD and AD2 use different note values for almost every kit piece. But once you create the map, the EZD stuff works fine in AD2.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/24 13:01:38
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There is an EZD map inside AD2, isn't there?
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/24 21:23:33
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There appears to have been an EZD map for Additive Drums 1. A google search actually brings you to a cakewalk forum post that links to XLN's forum. However, XLN took their forum down a while ago. A was just using AD2, and didn't see an EZD preset in the map window. So it might be that a SONAR drum map is the solution.
If there is an EZD that comes with AD2, someone please point me to it.
Jim
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 06:15:11
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I don't think AD2 has a specific EZD map.
However, the EZD manual indicates that it's GM compatible for notes 35-60. There are 4x exceptions in this range: 39(clap), 54(tambourine), 58(vibraslap), 60(bongo).
So, I would suggest selecting the GM map in AD2 and then making a few tweaks as required, then saving the result as an EZD map.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 08:10:03
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/03/25 08:35:07
When you install AD2, it automagically installs some basic kits as part of the install (which are great kits to start with). You can then demo the other kits from within AD and make a decision on which kits you'd like as the 3 extra ones.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 08:32:18
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Thanks for the replies guys and the tips about EZD maps if the AD drums sound better. rebel007
When you install AD2, it automagically installs some basic kits as part of the install (which are great kits to start with). You can then demo the other kits from within AD and make a decision on which kits you'd like as the 3 extra ones. Thanks rebel007, managed to install the full application which appears to be the Fairfax Kit Vol 1 Demo with 3 out of 31 presets plus a selection of beats from all of the MidiPaks. Not sure if the full Fairfax has a more complete set of Midi grooves - it appears not as they recommend the American Rock midipack? I'm assuming the Adpack grooves are comprehensive enough with variations and fills? I like the sound of the drums and the grooves so far. I'm an organic Pop/Rock (all eras), Country and Jazz kind of guy, so I don't know if anyone has any particular recommendations of 3 Adpacks to get? Too much choice! Cheers M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 08:44:55
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...right, so the Adpacks don't actually come with grooves, unlike EZD?
M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 08:46:16
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/03/25 09:12:09
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 09:14:14
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/03/25 09:26:52
Mus
...right, so the Adpacks don't actually come with grooves, unlike EZD?
M
Correct, the grooves are separate. But the basic install of AD2 will include samples of almost all the groove packs. So you can try them out before you select the ones you want. I've found that the Rock Songs pack is similar to some of the EZD packs. You get about 20 songs, and each song is broken into parts, such as Verse, Chorus, Bridge. There's usually a few variations of each part, similar to EZD. Unlike EZD groove packs, the AD2 Rock Songs doesn't come with too many separate fills.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 09:31:03
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Jim KalinowskiMus...right, so the Adpacks don't actually come with grooves, unlike EZD?
M
Correct, the grooves are separate. But the basic install of AD2 will include samples of almost all the groove packs. So you can try them out before you select the ones you want.
I've found that the Rock Songs pack is similar to some of the EZD packs. You get about 20 songs, and each song is broken into parts, such as Verse, Chorus, Bridge. There's usually a few variations of each part, similar to EZD. Unlike EZD groove packs, the AD2 Rock Songs doesn't come with too many separate fills. Ok thanks, that's a shame about the fills. I guess I need to get 3 kits that are versatile, but which complement each other? And then take a punt on the Midi packs, probably 60s beats, American Rock and one of the other Rock ones. M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 10:19:41
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/03/25 10:40:32
Mus, what I did is audition all of the adpaks/midi paks over at XLN and then selected the ones I really liked........I ended up getting every adpak (except for th Metal one...that's next)  . IMO, they are ALL very good, very useful, and quite easy to use. Don't forget to check the Beat Transformer in AD2.......it allows you to customize the beats in so many ways. You can control velocities; add accents; randomize timing and velocity; mute kitpieces; alter the speed to double time, half time 75%, etc...
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 10:39:45
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MeshMus, what I did is audition all of the adpaks/midi paks over at XLN and then selected the ones I really liked........I ended up getting every adpak (except for th Metal one...that's next) . IMO, they are ALL very good, very useful, and quite easy to use.
Don't forget to check the Beat Transformer in AD2.......it allows you to customize the beats in so many ways. You can control velocities; add accents; randomize timing and velocity; mute kitpieces; alter the speed to double time, half time 75%, etc... Thanks Mesh, not sure I will be buying them all to be honest ;-) Yes, I played with the Beat Transformer stuff yesterday - excellent :-) M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/03/25 18:08:37
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/03/25 18:49:46
It seems to be a one-time choice.
There are demos on the website, but note that you can fine tune the drums and cymbals.
They are generally good, and they do work with standard MIDI grooves.
You already have a good selection of drum plugins, and you may enjoy having this as an additional option.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 14:59:50
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Well, if you guys were going for a classic american rock pack to go with the midipak would you go Studio Rock, Fairfax Vol 1 or Indie Rock?
Thanks!
M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 15:07:28
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/04/06 15:14:40
Fairfax Vol 1 simply rocks!!
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Re: Addictive Drums
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 15:23:02
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/04/06 15:27:45
I love The Fairfax 1 kit but they are all great. Take your time
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 15:26:20
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Thanks guys, Fairfax 1, it is then :-)
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 20:20:38
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/04/07 05:04:16
Definitely Fairfax Vol 1.
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Re: Addictive Drums
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/04/07 05:04:09
I use both EZ drums and AD2 which I prefer but the AD2 symbols are hands down better. I wish there was a EZD2/AD2 program all in one to save me the hassle of opening two seperate syths and mapping out different maps. The editing software in EZD 2 is a really nice tool that I don't get why superior doesn't have and I don't quite understand why AD2 doesn't have a sequencer package AD pack or a writer like EZD2.
No knock whatsoever on the drum sounds or effects and basic editing functionality and processing that both have. I just wish they had more creative sequencer capabilities however I'm getting better with the step sequencer everyday.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 22:37:13
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Does anybody know if there is a kit that sticks to GM format? I havn't really used AD because I'd have to change almost ever part. Would a drum map be the answer here? Never used one. But I have over 120 Backing tracks I sequenced myself and they are all GM format. I've been using session drummer just fine. But it might be an improvement to use AD..
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 23:08:16
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Mus
...right, so the Adpacks don't actually come with grooves, unlike EZD?
M
I know this thread is from a couple of weeks ago....but I've got tons of grooves with AD2 and have never bought any midi paks. Edited to say: Nevermind....I read the post wrong...and backwards. 
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 23:13:48
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☄ Helpfulby Mus 2015/04/07 05:03:15
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Does anybody know if there is a kit that sticks to GM format?
In the AD2 UI, click the ? in the upper right and select "Map Window" Then pick GM from the "Map Preset" drop down in the upper right of the Map Window dialog. To make GM the default, there is a button in the bottom right just above the OK/Cancel buttons in the Map Window dialog.
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/06 23:15:57
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Wow, thanks Steve, what would we do with out you here, you rock !
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/07 05:05:33
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Thanks all.
Well, I got Fairfax 1, Black Oyster (Ringo kit) and Jazz Brushes ADpacks, 60s Beats, American Rock and Jazz Brushes midi plus 402 BD, Timbau and a snare kit pieces :-) Will play!
M
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/07 06:59:18
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So let me clear something up...I have Platinum and when I used the AD2 installer I selected three kits, three minipaks and three instruments...did I do something wrong?
There were three "Deal" buttons and I did each one.
I can't imagine it would have allowed me to do this incorrectly.
Anyway, I have yet to check on any of them after install, as I have yet to ever use this type of tool.
It is my intention to take the mic'd drum tracks from one of my songs and create transients, then assign an AD2 drum to it...I saw this on Cake University.
Later, I thought I would give it a go and try the minipaks to create some drums in a new project that I may be writing, to use as a tool to communicate ideas to my drummer.
I don't know as I have never done any of this...Cake University, here I come...in about a year. LOL
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/07 07:59:59
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Mesh
Don't forget to check the Beat Transformer in AD2.......it allows you to customize the beats in so many ways. You can control velocities; add accents; randomize timing and velocity; mute kitpieces; alter the speed to double time, half time 75%, etc...
Mesh I need to do this (I just got Platinum last week end so I am still very new to AD2) *****I have already figured out how to drag a midi groove into the midi track but when I hit my DAW play button both the DAW midi groove AND the AD2 instrument both play at the same time....Superior Drummer and EZ Drummer are a lot easier at this.....but then again I just do not know the trick yet..... Does anyone know how to make AD2 only use the the midi groove I have placed in the midi track????******** Thanks OH, and I did not know that i could audition the different pack before hand so I ended up with the Fairfax 1 kit, the Studio Rock Kit and the Percussion Kit.... For the Midi packs I got the Writers Block (not very good in my opinion) the Rock Midi which is ok (I am still learning how to make these things work) and If forgot the third one........but all in all at THIS POINT I am not finding them all that great.....but there is still a lot I need to learn with this... However I have learnt how to import my Groove Monkee midi and they work very well!!! I am happy here... Now I guess I will need to learn how to make a drum map and then see if I can configure my Toon Track Grooves... Thanks guys
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Re: Addictive Drums
2015/04/07 09:52:23
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Does anyone know how to make AD2 only use the the midi groove I have placed in the midi track?
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