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2017/01/16 08:37:44 (permalink)

Adding Instrument with MIDI output

Here in the docs for X2 I can find it: https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X2&language=4&help=SoftSynths.19.html
 
In the current version I don't seem to have the option "MIDI output". How is it done?
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 09:04:33 (permalink)
If you look at the left side of the MIDI track, where the routing info is (I/O especially), you should see a dropdown to set the MIDI output to the synth you want to send it to.

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 09:07:07 (permalink)
Well I found it. You need to use "Insert Softsynth" from the menu bar, not the big [+] button. There is an option "Midi output".
After that it's a bit counter-intuitive. You don't choose a MIDI output on the track you just created, instead you have to choose a MIDI input on the track where you want the MIDI to go. Among the input selection list you can find the output of the previous track.
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 09:14:29 (permalink)
If you have the synth already inserted into your project, and add a new MIDI track, you can select it's destination from the dropdown i mentioned.  It will list every synth in the project, and you can choose there.
 
If you haven't inserted the synth yet, Sonar wouldn't know what options to give you.

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 10:26:18 (permalink)
Thanks, but that wasn't exactly what I wanted to do. I needed an instrument track with a VSTi that additionally outputs it's MIDI to another track. The way I described seems the only option. On second thought it also makes kinda sense that way, you can make serial and multiple parallel routes that way. Still a bit counter-intuitive.
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 12:26:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby occide 2017/01/16 12:52:20
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Thanks, but that wasn't exactly what I wanted to do. I needed an instrument track with a VSTi that additionally outputs it's MIDI to another track. The way I described seems the only option. On second thought it also makes kinda sense that way, you can make serial and multiple parallel routes that way. Still a bit counter-intuitive.


Hi. If I understand correctly what you are after, this is now located in the Vst drop down menu in the instrument itself.

Hope it helps.
All the best.

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 12:53:55 (permalink)
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Hi. If I understand correctly what you are after, this is now located in the Vst drop down menu in the instrument itself.

Hope it helps.
All the best.




Yeah that's exactly it. But all instruments I checked this is greyed out, like in your screenshot. Do you maybe know how to access it? Would be an easier way than having to re-create each instrument where I need it.
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 13:18:32 (permalink)
So you want to send a MIDI track to a synth (aka VSTi), and then for that synth to send the identical MIDI on to a second synth?

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 13:37:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby occide 2017/01/16 14:39:42
Right-click the synth in the Synth Rack.

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 13:40:36 (permalink)
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So you want to send a MIDI track to a synth (aka VSTi), and then for that synth to send the identical MIDI on to a second synth?

Although there are arpeggiator-type plugins that need input to work with, I think this is mostly about output routing for plugins that generate MIDI from scratch.

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 13:46:46 (permalink)
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I needed an instrument track with a VSTi that additionally outputs it's MIDI to another track.



This will only happen if the VSTi supports it. Moreover, starting with X3, "Enable MIDI Output" by default is enabled for synth that support it. Adding an instrument track using the Add Track button does this automatically like all the other synth add options. This is one reason referring to old documentation is not a good idea. FWIW, removing the old version from the URL does resolve to the current page albeit not in English. I have to change the language to 3 in the URL to display the English page.
 
It might be a good idea to provide more detail about what the desired result is. I suspect this will be a case of cloning the MIDI data or using a virtual MIDI cable to drive multiple synths. But this is just a guess because the OP has not clearly stated what purpose of the exercise is.
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/16 13:47:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby occide 2017/01/16 14:39:22
The Synth Rack seems to be the only way you can change the option, after the synth has been inserted into the project.  The VST options in the plugin interface seem to stay greyed out, no matter what.
 
In addition, it seems to be dependent on how the individual VST is designed.  Just to try this out, I inserted Addictive Drums 2, Strike 2, Session Drummer 3, and SI Drums into a new project. 
 
From the Synth Rack, the Addictive Drums and Strike were still greyed out, but the other two were accessible.
 
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/17 13:34:01 (permalink)
Could someone post a known working example of using Midi Output - preferably using Cakewalk plugins.  I'd like to recreate it.  For instance, I thought I could send a pattern playing in Session Drummer to Addictive Drums but it's not working.
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/17 14:34:55 (permalink)
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Could someone post a known working example of using Midi Output - preferably using Cakewalk plugins.  I'd like to recreate it.  For instance, I thought I could send a pattern playing in Session Drummer to Addictive Drums but it's not working.


Although Session Drummer seems to have a MIDI output I can't get it to work either.
 
Try this thingy.. http://thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiChordAnalyzer
It's neat and fun :D
Just route the output of the snake to your favourite synth. Activate the monitoring symbol on the synth.
Pin the snake. Play your keyboard on the snake channel.
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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/17 16:26:16 (permalink)
MIDI Out can be enabled even for synths that don't support it. Session Drummer does not send MIDI Out, and I don't know of any SONAR-bundled synths that do.
 
One oddity to be aware of with MIDI-generating plugins: I believe it's still the case that in order for MIDI Out to be active, you have to to have an audio track with input assigned to an audio ouput of the plugin even if you're not using it.

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Re: Adding Instrument with MIDI output 2017/01/17 18:51:06 (permalink)
From Sonar X3 Power
 
"SOFT SYNTH MIDI OUTPUT:  While all soft synths must provide at least one audio output so that you can hear and record their sounds, some also provide MIDI output.  This output can come from a built-in arpeggiator (melody generator) or some other feature provided by the soft synth. By activating the Enable MIDI Output option, you can record the MIDI data from the soft synth into SONAR for editing."

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