fenderguy4life
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Adding a Drum Track
So I'm new to this. I'm trying to add a drum track. A custom track that I play with the mouse. So I bring up the Sl-Drum Kit 4 and proceed to bang away at the bass drum, snare and the occasional cymbal. With track armed, record on, I can't seem to get a recording. I see the peak, but no recording. I hear the drum no problem there. I can add a preconfigured drum beat no problem either. Problem is I want a custom beat. Simple, but custom. Can this be done or do I need some special midi drum pad or something?
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dubdisciple
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 00:00:59
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I just want to make sure I understand your question. Are you trying to play drum track live with a mouse and record the performance?
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fenderguy4life
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 00:13:05
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Great. I lost my reply. Here goes again. While adding the SI-Drum Kit to a track, in the properties there is a drum kit. Clicking on the snare produces a nice snare beat. Is there anyway to record some beats by clicking with the mouse? It would be easier if I had a real live mouse and a real live drum kit for him. Alas, I don't lol.
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fenderguy4life
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 00:38:23
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So yeah. I wanna play the kit live (virtually) with mouse clicks and have it recorded. Is this possible or is the response by clicking just for sample purposes? To hear what the kit sounds like?
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scook
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 00:39:40
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The pads on most drum synths like SI-Drums are intended for previewing the sounds; they are not intended to be used to interactively record a drum track. If you want to capture a real time drum session you will need a MIDI input device like a keyboard or drum pads. You can directly enter a drum sequence with either the step sequencer or the piano roll view. There are a couple of videos on this page http://www.cakewalk.com/C...NARU.aspx/Master-Class that that might give you some ideas.
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fenderguy4life
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 00:52:30
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Thank you, and apologies for my newbness. I just kinda figured that out while searching around for the answer. Thank you for putting it so succinctly. I will be borrowing my daughters midi keyboard.
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scook
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 01:01:12
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No problem, this is the place to ask questions. SONAR comes with a bunch of MIDI drum loops that can get you started building drum tracks fast. You can audition them using them using the browser and SI-Drums or Session Drummer 3 (if you have it) and drag them into the project. You can also "play" the patterns using the pattern pads in SI-Drums or SD3. Here is a youtube clip introducing the SI-Drum synth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UquKaN5Ruio
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chuckebaby
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 02:37:50
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do you have a drum machine?
you can also use a drum machne to trigger the drums in studio drums and in session drummer.
look in my signiture for the video on how to hook it up.
its easy.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 11:18:04
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A good way to lay down your own beat is to record a scratch vocal and guitar part played to the metronome. You need a solid midi tempo set before recording the drums otherwise you'll have a pretty gooey mess.
This is for traditional rock, blues or country, electronic music is different approach.
I layer my parts using either a midi keyboard or a digital drum set ( way better).
I might run through and just record the kick and snare first.
Then another pass for the hi hats/ ride and cymbals and possibly the tom fills.Then remove snare hits that would be unrealistic with crash or tom fills. If you play a little bit of drums it helps and the results are way more natural sounding than spending hours sticking loops together.
I might use a simple pattern instead of the metronome to get things rolling.
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 12:39:59
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Heres an idea if you want to do custom stuff but dont have any type of pads or keys.
I dont see what you have access to or interface,
but if you have a mic or anything that will record to an audio track,
--set it up to record you beating on a desk or any hard surface that a mic will pick up, (maybe even thumping on a guitar.
--once you have recorded that, bring up audio snap by selecting the track and hitting the "A" key
--you can select the "Copy as MIDI" and paste that onto an "Inserted" Session Drummer track or any other Synth track you wish.
--Then assign all those notes to what ever drum component you want
In the end its just about getting what you are feeling converted over to a music tone
It would help if you could post your system in your signate-Computer and interface with specs, etc...
Let us know what ya think
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daveny5
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 13:09:17
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You could also use the Step Sequencer to create beats and drag them to a MIDI track and build a drum parts. There are lots of ways to create drum tracks in Sonar.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 22:01:04
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Michael that is brilliant!
Build a drum set out of household items and bang away with a miked up cardboard box and table tops,,, With MIDI drum replacement who cares what the original sounded like... brilliant.
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digi2ns
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 22:10:31
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Cactus Music
Michael that is brilliant!
Build a drum set out of household items and bang away with a miked up cardboard box and table tops,,, With MIDI drum replacement who cares what the original sounded like... brilliant.
 LOL yeah, Ive discussed and used it a few times. Recording hitting something is really all its about then converting it to your favorite synth like SD3, etc... I have thought about sticking mics in 5 gallon buckets making a fake drum kit and then running it through Sonar but just thumping away on a table with a mic over my hands has worked when needed Really no need anymore for midi or drum pads when messing with drums for just adding things Guess ya could call it the poor mans "work around" thingy
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Cactus Music
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 22:20:40
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I bet ya that Scott dude won't add that to his next book! :) And I just spent $500 on a set of digital drums! :( Back when I once used an office chair and beat it with a meat tenderizer to record a kick drum track. I just couldn't get the groove I wanted with MIDI. I always wanted to do a whole arm chair for a percussion track.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2013/03/05 23:23:45
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Paul P
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/05 22:46:39
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In one of the groove3 videos "Designing Electronic Drums" the author just makes a bunch of drum noises with his mouth then turns them into a pretty respectable beat using Live.
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fenderguy4life
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Re:Adding a Drum Track
2013/03/06 01:19:47
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Good stuff I appreciate all the responses. I'm brand spanking new to midi so this will be an adventure for sure. One thing that's clear so far is the only limitation will be with my imagination. Liking this DAW more and more every day.
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