Adobe Audition 1.5 and Sonar

Hi,

Was just wondering if there is anyone here using Adobe Audition with Sonar as a wave editor? I'm looking for a dedicated wave editor and have checked out Soundforge and WaveLab, but noticed the new ver. of Audition (1.5) has some nice features like frequency space editing and pitch correction. I currently use Sonar 2.2 and am thinking of using my 3.0 upgrade money for Audition instead (I can get it for $140) since it may give me features that are currently more important.

I would particularly be interested in hearing from users who can compare it to Soundforge or Wavelab, and also am particularly interested in how well the pitch correction works in comparison to the dedicated programs like Antares or the VoiceTweaker.

I've downloaded the demo, but it is version 1 which does not include some of the features that have attracted me to 1.5.

Thanks,
Jon Bryson

Out of curiosity, did you use the auto or manual mode when you did the pitch correction? I obtained unnatural results when using the auto mode for RBC VoiceTweaker and found the manual mode to work better.

As you can probably tell, I really hope Audition will work for me as it would save me a bundle having to get and editor and pitch corrector separately!

Jon

Jon - I used the manual mode and selected the pitch I wanted Sonar to "correct" to. I believe Sonar presents a dialog with a G clef and you just add the note you want. One problem I had was that, if I didn't specify the note duration correctly, Sonar truncated or elongated the actual audio. I had to play with note durations to get it just right. Thorne

Me Too--I have the same problem

I have used Cool Edit Pro with Cakewalk Pro Audio and then Sonar 1 with no problems for years. But since I upgraded to Sonar3producer, I have not been able to get Sonar3 to list Cool Edit or Audition 1.0 in the Tool menu. I have highlighted the clip/track, and then gone to TOOLS, but it still is not there.

Is this feature of using CoolEditPro or Audtion not supported as a tool in Sonar 3 anymore? Or is there a simple click of some button that
I need to perform?

I use Cooledit primarily for Noise Reduction of individual clips or wav files--removing hiss from a microphoned recording.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thorne,

I used SONAR UTILS (the latest version) to add Audition to the tools menu. Sonar Utils is available from Bruce Ennis at :

http://bruce-ennis.com or directly download at:
http://bruce-ennis.com:8085/Downloads/SetupSonarUtils204.exe

TO do what you want, just select the single track (so it's highlighted, then entire track), then use the Tools menu (after Audition is installed in it) and click on Audition. Make sure you have the "Share Audio drivers" checked in Sonar's OPTIONS.

That will export the wav file of the track you selected into Audition; your system will then switch over to Audition where you can do what you want to the wav. When done, save the file; then exit AUdition.

Sonar will ask you if you want to update the track/file you just edited. Say Yes. And it should load the edited version back in.

Try that, see if it works for you.

ORIGINAL: thorne

Billy - What I want to do is edit a single audio track, not the entire mix. What I've never been able to do is to get Audition added to the Tools menu in Sonar. Can you tell me how to do that so I don't have to load manually the track into Audition (and then reload the edited track back into Sonar)? Thanks! Thorne

I,ve been having the same problem linking sonar and audition 1.1 however even following the pointers above i had no joy.

I have audition pop up as an option within sonar tools, but i can't get it to import the highlighted track.

I,ve reinstalled sonar and audition a number of times over the past few months but this didN,t effect the outcome. ran sonar utilities as well.

maybe someone can help with this though , when you say to "share drivers" are you talking about the option within

options-audio-advanced-share drivers with other programs?

I have clicked this but its not helping at the moment, perhaps its somewhere else..

I had audition before i had sonar and really like it, I didN,t realise at first it was possible to use the two together. And had almost given up on using these features, it works so well as a stand alone program it didN,t matter that much.

still it would be good.

My pleasure -- enjoy!

ORIGINAL: thorne

BEE-U-TEE-FULL !! Thanks, Billy. (haven't tried it yet but appreciate the help)

maybe someone can help with this though , when you say to "share drivers" are you talking about the option within

options-audio-advanced-share drivers with other programs?

Yes, you must have this option CHECKED in order for Sonar to transfer the data and for Audition to be able to play it.

Make sure you have checked the option; then exit and relaunch sonar (don't have audition loaded).

Then select the track with the AUDIO data you will be using (making sure bit depths and all that are the same in both apps); make sure the entire track is "highlighted" ... then click on TOOLS menu, then on the AUDITION item.

You should see Sonar prepare the audio (mixdown) and it will automatically load AUdition for you, then Audition will load the wav data into itself.

i was just reading the info for audition 1.5 and it said it now has rewire.

has anyone tried this with sonar, is it effective?

bingo!!!!

reinstalled audition within sonar tools using the mandala in mind software, susan posted (thank you) and i noticed that audition was set as generic as opposed to wave editor.

made the adjustments and it all runs great for the first time.

marvelous..

many thanks people.

thanks dan

i think i might be putting the $69 ( i think) upgrade to the test.

I really like audition v1.1 great interface which i personally found easier to work with than sound forge. And like I have been really impressed with some of the nightmare audio situtions it has gotton me out of in the past.

now everyone has helped me to get sonar linked to audition as a wave editor i only expect more good things to come.

I know that adobe audition doesn,t always get the coverage that sound forge does but I,d recommend it anyday.

Jon - I know it doesn't help that I'm not being specific, but I tried using Audition as a multi-track recorder and found it to be less flexible and far less functional than Sonar 3. Sonar 3 was designed to be a multi-track recorder whereas it seems to have been an afterthought for Audition. I love Audition for wave editing (I think it's MORE functional and flexible than Sonar 3 in that respect), but Sonar is far more mature in the multi-track recorder arena. Thorne

I'm curious how anyone has gotten a copy of ver. 1.5. Those @#$%^& told me 2 wks ago it was backordered, and I actually ordered it 3 wks ago! That time they didn't tell me it was backordered! I'm still wondering why I couldn't just download the @#$% thing the way we could with Syntrillium. I haven't been at all satisfied with Adobe's support ever since they bought it out.

Having gotten that off my chest...I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this product. I had SoundForge 4b when I was still in the 16Bit realm. It was nice, but CoolEdit was so much user-friendlier, and intuitive. For instance, the FX presets were much more aptly descriptive. It's indespensible with Sonar! One of my fav features is the fact that you can adjust the amplitude by customized amts. instead of just +/- 3dB, and also normalize by customized amts or references (dB's, %ages, samples) instead of just Sonar's arbitrary amt. THESE are almost worth the price of the product themselves. The Noise Reduct. feature is also extremely handy. I don't think SForge had that feature, can't remember though. I also have made a habit of saving my wav files in Audition's Temp folder with it's own descriptive name, THEN close the app. Sonar comes up again, and I delete the old file, and import the Audition wav file. Yeah, it takes a little longer, but there's more security there I think.

BTW, has anyone had this problem? Even after I've assigned the 2 Temp folders to 2 separate partitions (NOT the C:\Docs&Set\~\Temp drive) it still saves stuff there by default unless I specifically tell it not to. AARRGGH!!

Another peculiar "tick" about Audition is when I use the Timeworks EQ or Comp from Audition I lose the presets that show up in Sonar. Any help there?

BaDumpBump,
King Conga

I only use Audition v1.5 as a WAV editor and Sonar v3.1.1 for multi tracking.

The limititations of Audition for multi tracking are numerous (no ASIO support, limited bussing, etc.). I suggest upgrading to Sonar and purchasing Audition v1.5 for the best of both worlds (my opinion, not trying to start a war here).

King,

I ordered it from Adobe's website, and they shipped 1.5 out the next day, 24 hour delivery. Its installed on my machine now, and I'm just getting started playing with it.

No, it doesn't do bussing. It *does* have an easy track freeze (Sonar..hint, hint!), as well as premixing the multitrack audio to save CPU in playback.

I use Audition/CEP for wave file editing and final trimming on the way to the CD. I use the multitrack screen typically to load all the files for a CD into, then go back and forth between them so that I am happy with the relative volume between tracks on the cd.

Frequency space editing is a trip -- seems like it can almost do magic sometimes. I'm still figuring out all the cool things it can do.

The "center channel" tool is misnamed -- it can deal with signals anywhere in the stereo field, not just the center. For example, say you put your lead guitar at about midway on the right side -- you can reach in to the completed file and boost or cut just the content in that space.

The pitch correction seems like an older version of Autotune. I have V3 of Autotune, and it seems like it sounds much more natural than the Audition version, but I haven't done any head to head tests yet. Autotune has come out with V4 -- I'll probably upgrade sometime, but I'm in no hurry.

-lee-