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Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
Just got this email: Esoundz is having the Arc at 50% off. If you're buying from Esoundz, please refer me: Mesh 
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 12:01:51
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Get it! Game changer for home recording.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 14:04:39
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Out of my price range for a couple of months, but looks interesting.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 14:05:23
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Applies a detailed corrective to your master bus to account for your room.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 16:55:51
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Here's an even better investment, and far less expensive.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 17:24:27
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bitflipper didn't you do a kind of tutorial on that topic 4-5 years ago ? how to improve room acoustics with a mic/analyzer/.. ?
would be nice to have something to read again in that direction.
I was really thinking about buying that plugin.. still a bit expensive.. then there are other tools (hardware) at the same price that would do a similar job.. and then.. room treatment is probably still the way to go..
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 20:57:32
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Thanks for spreading the word! If you can add in acoustic treatment then awesome! But a lot of times even with room treatment you still have problems in certain spots and ARC can help with that and in situations where people travel and can't throw stuff up every night.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/27 23:44:34
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To IK's great credit, they do not make unsupported claims in their advertising for ARC. Still, widespread unsupported beliefs persist. People want to believe that acoustical problems can be fixed with software. I would love that to be true, too. Sadly, physics dictates that it cannot be.
As Obi says, there are limits to how far a modest budget for acoustical treatments can take you. ARC will take you a little further beyond that point. But for every resonant peak ARC mitigates, there is a resonant null that it can do nothing about. And that's almost the only category of acoustical problem ARC can help with - it does nothing to mitigate the many other types of acoustical problems.
This is why ARC should be considered an adjunct to acoustical treatments, not the sole strategy - nor even the initial step. Relying on ARC alone to fix an untreated room would likely be very disappointing. Spend your money on some books about acoustics before you spring for ARC.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 04:46:04
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To IK's great credit, they do not make unsupported claims in their advertising for ARC. Still, widespread unsupported beliefs persist. People want to believe that acoustical problems can be fixed with software. I would love that to be true, too. Sadly, physics dictates that it cannot be.
As Obi says, there are limits to how far a modest budget for acoustical treatments can take you. ARC will take you a little further beyond that point. But for every resonant peak ARC mitigates, there is a resonant null that it can do nothing about. And that's almost the only category of acoustical problem ARC can help with - it does nothing to mitigate the many other types of acoustical problems.
This is why ARC should be considered an adjunct to acoustical treatments, not the sole strategy - nor even the initial step. Relying on ARC alone to fix an untreated room would likely be very disappointing. Spend your money on some books about acoustics before you spring for ARC.
Hmm... "Resonant Null" - That sounds like a good band name! Punkish maybe? 
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 10:25:22
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Here's what ARC did for me:  The radical orange line was my room after $500 of DIY room treatment. The somewhat smoother white line is my room after ARC was run. All I can say is people have noticed a marked improvement in my mixes since ARC is in play. I can hear the difference too.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 11:10:08
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bapu
Here's what ARC did for me:
All I can say is people have noticed a marked improvement in my posts since ARC is in play. I can see the difference in my post count too (not that it matters).
That's nice Bapu, bless your heart, but what did it do for your studio room?
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 20:57:27
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Studio room? Are you talking about a tracking room or a mixing room? ARC will not do anything for tracking but it can help during the mixing process by presenting audio in a linear and acoustically correct way for your room.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 21:04:59
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Ed, that's a swell-looking picture. But using the same software to validate itself doesn't quite meet standards of objective evidence. That graph would have you believe your room is perfectly flat from ~400Hz on up, which is unlikely.
I am not questioning your integrity, which I have no doubt is unimpeachable. But I'd sure like to see any other corroborating measurements you might have, such as waterfall plots of your room before and after ARC.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 21:09:50
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Obi, I think Craig maybe "funnin" with Bapu and changed the wording around....
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/28 21:39:33
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Obi, I think Craig maybe "funnin" with Bapu and changed the wording around....
Guilty as charged! I accidentally wandered out of the Coffee House and forgot where I was. 
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 13:20:03
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bitflipper
Ed, that's a swell-looking picture. But using the same software to validate itself doesn't quite meet standards of objective evidence. That graph would have you believe your room is perfectly flat from ~400Hz on up, which is unlikely.
I am not questioning your integrity, which I have no doubt is unimpeachable. But I'd sure like to see any other corroborating measurements you might have, such as waterfall plots of your room before and after ARC.
Dave, I think you misinterpret the screenshot. IMO it is not a validation of itself but a visual representation of what it measured (orange line) via its included mic and the corrections it made (white line) based on that measurement. The white line is not a measurement but the EQ correction applied based upon the measurement. When you sit in my room with my monitors and sub on and take ARC off any mix sounds BOOOOOOOMY. As soon as ARC is on the low end it is pretty well tamed, and my mixes now translate well from studio to car to mp3 player. Maybe it's a placebo, maybe not, but I'm happy as pig in poke with what ARC does for me.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 14:12:58
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Awesome! Glad you like ARC! :D
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 14:49:15
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I'm on board. I don't think anyone is under the illusion it will take the place of a properly treated room, but I've no doubt it can help those of us who have not the budget nor a house with a room to properly treat. Most Property Management companies frown upon the modification of their units... even if the neighbors would most certainly welcome it. Edit: An experiment I would like to see on a totally untreated space? Take the money it cost for ARC and spend it on acoustic treatments and measure/compare the results against those of ARC in the same untreated space... we might then see the value of the program in a whole new light. Would be interesting to say the least
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 15:09:30
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Just remember to BYPASS the ARC plug when you export your mix as a wave file
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 15:14:18
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Just remember to BYPASS the ARC plug when you export your mix as a wave file
Absolutely. I failed to do that once. Disaster.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 15:35:36
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just downloading the manual now..
229€ is still a bit above from what I am willing to spend (the crossgrade version is much more friendlier in that matter, but I don't own any IK product yet)
I've done some tests with my limited possibilities just a few hours ago, once you get more into this the more you really want to start changing things.. oh well..
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 15:49:56
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An experiment I would like to see on a totally untreated space? Take the money it cost for ARC and spend it on acoustic treatments and measure/compare the results against those of ARC in the same untreated space... we might then see the value of the program in a whole new light. Would be interesting to say the least Absolutely. But this presumes that ARC addresses the same issues that acoustic treatments do. However, ARC can only mitigate a specific type of problem whereas treatments address a wide range of issues. If you have excessive reverberation in your room, for example, ARC won't help with that. It will do nothing for comb filtering and image smearing caused by early reflections. There will be an improvement in frequency response at the mix position, but at the cost of making the frequency response much worse in other parts of the room - for example, on the couch where your clients sit! Seriously, folks, look at ARC as the final icing on the cake, not the core strategy.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 16:24:12
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Heck, I'd like to see this experiment: How about blindfolding the end user and placing their speakers and listening position as per the good advice that has been offered for the past 50 years? I see so many people's setups where the monitors are sitting on a desk with the backs right up against a wall. It's the worst possible situation. I am often perplexed that someone will set up their gear like that and then attempt to enjoy the results. It's as if they have decided to prioritize something other than sound and choose to disavow all the ideas that have stood the test of time. It seems to me like it is always preferable to place the speaker and the listening position optimally before bringing in acoustic treatment or resorting to active correction. best regards, mike
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2011/05/29 16:27:12
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Seriously, folks, look at ARC as the final icing on the cake, not the core strategy. mike_mccue
It seems to me like it is always preferable to place the speaker and the listening position optimally before bringing in acoustic treatment or resorting to active correction.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 16:36:53
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Edit: An experiment I would like to see on a totally untreated space? Take the money it cost for ARC and spend it on acoustic treatments and measure/compare the results against those of ARC in the same untreated space... we might then see the value of the program in a whole new light. Would be interesting to say the least
If you DIY, $300 is gonna buy you lots of OC 703 or similar and all the other materials to make your own room treatment. I did it for half that.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/29 17:16:18
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I'm not advocating the program over conventional treatment. Just would be curious to see the results. When I said we might see the value of ARC in a whole new light, I didn't necessarily mean it would be a positive light. I think it has it's uses as an extra set of ears and a corrective EQ, but i'd be a fool to think of it as a replacement for conventional treatment. But I won't outright dismiss it either.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/30 15:17:03
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It can help with or without treatment. Using treatment + ARC is ideal though. Not every home studio with treatment will be very flat. Adding ARC can help you make great mix decisions. Especially for people who travel a lot or aren't happy with their current acoustic situation.
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2011/05/30 20:54:59
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It can help with or without treatment. Using treatment + ARC is ideal though. Not every home studio with treatment will be very flat. Adding ARC can help you make great mix decisions. Especially for people who travel a lot or aren't happy with their current acoustic situation.
Heplful for people who rent apartments as well. I rent a studio apartment in LA county. I also work for the Property Management company that owns the property, so I'm well aware how they operate in regard to move out charges. You have to really be creative in regard to treatment. The last thing you want to do is start slathering the walls with adhesive or drilling holes in the walls and ceilings. Anything short of normal wear and tear comes out of the residents security desposit. And if you moved in on a special where the deposit was waived or reduced, it's coming out of your wallet. That can put a real damper on things and like I said, force you to get creative. As soon as you move out the maintenance supervisor goes in with a camera and starts snapping pictures... and he's encouraged by corporate to be thourough. Sucks, but that's the reality of it when you rent.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/30 21:54:03
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Maybe it's a placebo, maybe not, but I'm happy as pig in poke with what ARC does for me.
Absolutely no placebo for me. ARC has helped me tremendously with my mixes translating well in all listening environments. It also helped me to finally dial-in my "holy grail" rhythm guitar sound withing hours using ARC as opposed to about a year of trial and error without ARC.
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Re:Advanced Room Correction system (ARC) is on sale!
2011/05/31 20:37:20
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Thanks for the support guys! Glad to see you guys liking ARC! It definitely has its place and can really help. Its a useful plugin for sure!
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