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2011/03/22 11:06:20 (permalink)

After 8 hours of continuously running X1B

I've not been able to say that about SONAR X1 until now: having installed the X1B update.
 
What can I say but that it works. generally OK.
 
still lose the Control bar when I change focus to another window for any length of time. Proving to be a real pain. is there something anyone knows about this?
 
narrow channels in CV are great - except when more than one digit in channel number - minor issue compared to the previous serious limitations - much better
 
lot's of things better - I just have to learn the program now.
 
After having worked quite a bit with another DAW I didn't realise how much a truly gapless audio engine has impacted on me. Maybe SONAR will have it one day too.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 11:11:18 (permalink)
    does the CB completely disappear?  I haven't seen that happen.

    it does get buried under my plugin GUIs and floating console and PRV views, but it's never disappeared on me.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 11:51:12 (permalink)
    Glad you got it running at least Mike. Sonar, like any DAW's will be great for some and not so great for others, and I had no confidence that X1b would solve the issues you had with running it, but glad that, at least, has worked out.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 11:55:03 (permalink)
    I've had the CB disappear and it was supposed to have been fixed with X1b. If it happens again right click the area where it's supposed to be and there's an option to restore it.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 13:26:29 (permalink)
    If the control bar goes away, just type C to make it re-appear.
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 14:09:23 (permalink)
    I wonder if it could be disappearing due to an inadvertent C press? In X1a what caused the CB to disappear was the Event Module being active. There was no way to get it back when it vanished. If now it can be restored with a C press then perhaps its due to the pressing C without knowing it.

    Not that this is the case though.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 14:14:02 (permalink)
    John


    I wonder if it could be disappearing due to an inadvertent C press? In X1a what caused the CB to disappear was the Event Module being active. There was no way to get it back when it vanished. If now it can be restored with a C press then perhaps its due to the pressing C without knowing it.

    Not that this is the case though.

    I was thinking the same thing.  One has to be careful using the keybinds as they can inadvertently create a condition (like closing the CB).
     
    This is why I 'unbound' the "E" key (which defaults to global effects bypass).  Too easy to accidentally happen.
     

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 14:41:14 (permalink)
    This is a different scenario than hitting C.  When you hit C the area where the control bar is/was gets closed and your work screen size increases.  With this problem there is just a blank bar in that space with the MBT showing. 

    To reactivate it right click the area it should be in and select "Float
     Control Bar", then either click on it and select dock at top/bottom or drag it into its docking spot.  There was a pic of it on another thread, I will try and find it and link here.

    Following picture posted by Twigman in the thread indicated below pic link
    http://img546.imageshack.us/i/x1b.jpg/ 

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    post edited by lorneyb2 - 2011/03/22 14:53:36

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 15:48:36 (permalink)
    Mudgel:

    It's good to hear you're having an improved experience with X1b. As I said before you're a help to this forum, and it would be a lost if you would stop participation here.

    Was it your non primay DAW computer that X1b is working better on? If it is, it's perplexing to me that X1b has made such a difference, unless it was any of the bugs that were fixed in X1b that were causing you the problems. When you explained the immediate and frequent crash experiences you were having with X1a, it struck me that crashes you were experiencing such as during simple playback,  just seemed to be an unrelated cause to the bugs listed to be fixed in the X1b list. I mean a good number of us were not experiencing such unusability of X1a as you were. I was never trying to be a smart alec or unsympathetic.

    Have you tried X1b on your primary DAW system, yet, or are you waiting to see how things go with X1b on your other computer?

    I'm asking these questions not to be a pest but to get an idea of how to go about better relating to and helping SONAR X1 users in the future.

    I'd appreciate any feedback, I think. :)
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 16:09:03 (permalink)
    If the control bar disappears, right click in the empty space then click the option "show all" (pretty sure that's the text although I don't have Sonar handy to check right now), it pops right back up, no worries

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 16:12:04 (permalink)
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    This is a different scenario than hitting C.  When you hit C the area where the control bar is/was gets closed and your work screen size increases.  With this problem there is just a blank bar in that space with the MBT showing. 

    To reactivate it right click the area it should be in and select "Float
    Control Bar", then either click on it and select dock at top/bottom or drag it into its docking spot.  There was a pic of it on another thread, I will try and find it and link here.

    Following picture posted by Twigman in the thread indicated below pic link
    http://img546.imageshack.us/i/x1b.jpg/ 

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2259665


    Without knowing the conditions that were in effect at the time the CB disappeared what you are alluding to is what CW was supposed to have fixed. If I am not mistaken that picture is from a pre B patch post. Again it would be helpful to know if this is repeatable and is due to a bug or the user pressing C. If the space is there as in the picture it is most likely a bug if not then its most likely C being pressed.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 17:16:47 (permalink)
    I NEVER lost the control bar view since working in X1B so far.

    Hard to say what makes the difference.


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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 21:52:48 (permalink)
    If I minimize SONAR or for some other reason it loses focus eg open explorer to go look for a file or something when I return to SONAR(if the loss of focus is for a a minute or so) the area where the Control bar is, is blank except for the now time positioned in the centre of the strip.

    This is NOT a case of accidentally hitting the 'C' key or some such as that would close down the Control Bar leaving no empty space.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 22:05:15 (permalink)
    In the time it took me to write the previous reply the CB disappeared. No Now time in the display at all this time. all blank and black as night.

    Have to right click and select 'show all' or one of the other menu options to bring it back. but it's only temporary then it disappears again. As I'm writing this I check and yes the CB has disappeared again. The interesting thing is if I use the 'C' shortcut it just removes the CB as it's supposed to and when it returns it's still blank.

    I'm still on my test laptop and won't be installing X1 on my DAW until I'm satisfied that X1b has moved in the right direction for me.

    For me X1a was not only all the crashing within 10 minutes or so it was also that I could easily find somewhere near half of all the bugs and fixes required for X1b were active in my DAW. Most times all I could do was start SONAR check one of the bugs, confirm it and crash.

    I've experienced a few minor issues with every release of SONAR but never a show stopper.

    X1a was a complete DAW stopper as well as so many of the known problems occurring. It was really crazy. I've never had that in SONAR before.

    that situation is no longer the case. with most of those little niggles gone (the ones I've had time to test so far) I can now try using X1b for some work to see what it will or wont do. That's going to be a part time process as I still have to work and X1 is not going any where near that. At least I have some stability to base further efforts on.
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 22:10:38 (permalink)
    Hey Mudgel,

    Maybe it's your laptop. Nobody else seems to have such a profusion of bugs.
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 22:11:17 (permalink)
    Do you have Aero on?

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 22:24:18 (permalink)
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    In the time it took me to write the previous reply the CB disappeared. No Now time in the display at all this time. all blank and black as night.

    Have to right click and select 'show all' or one of the other menu options to bring it back. but it's only temporary then it disappears again. As I'm writing this I check and yes the CB has disappeared again. The interesting thing is if I use the 'C' shortcut it just removes the CB as it's supposed to and when it returns it's still blank.

    I'm still on my test laptop and won't be installing X1 on my DAW until I'm satisfied that X1b has moved in the right direction for me.

    For me X1a was not only all the crashing within 10 minutes or so it was also that I could easily find somewhere near half of all the bugs and fixes required for X1b were active in my DAW. Most times all I could do was start SONAR check one of the bugs, confirm it and crash.

    I've experienced a few minor issues with every release of SONAR but never a show stopper.

    X1a was a complete DAW stopper as well as so many of the known problems occurring. It was really crazy. I've never had that in SONAR before.

    that situation is no longer the case. with most of those little niggles gone (the ones I've had time to test so far) I can now try using X1b for some work to see what it will or wont do. That's going to be a part time process as I still have to work and X1 is not going any where near that. At least I have some stability to base further efforts on.
     
    its very hard to determine if it will be the same on your desktop as it is on your laptop my friend..im sure you notice that by the posts your reading..do you think youll have the disapearing control bar on the desk top..i dont think you will..though some users on here have said this is happening to them..this software is to hard to predict if it runs the same on this or that..in all fairness it should..but theres just too many conficting reports to assume when you get it working on your laptop that it will be ready for your daw desky.i find some users just plain and simple dont like the new gui,the learning curve..there buttons they had in 8.5 are no history.so theyre just going to give up on it in a way.its too bad,its a great program(when it works)


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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 22:26:33 (permalink)
    i also failed to say,i wish you luck,im sorry your going through this right now(you shouldnt have to be)so my best to you..good luck man.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:07:36 (permalink)
    Mudgel:

    Thanks for the reply.

    I take it you already have the graphics card drivers updated to the most recent release? Is the graphics card sharing an IRQ with anything else? If so how many things is it sharing with? Is it possible to disable in the BIOS things you don't use such as serial ports, onboard sound, etc. to try to get the graphics card on a IRQ alone or with as few things as possible sharing an IRQ with it?

    I'm really no wiz with Laptops, but these are things that matter with desktops. Just trying to help.


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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:29:22 (permalink)
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    Hey Mudgel,

    Maybe it's your laptop. Nobody else seems to have such a profusion of bugs.

    If that was the case why have they mostly been fixed by the X1b update? the only thing I've mentined so far since X1b is the Control bar disappearing and others have reported that too in this thread.
     
    i'm not the only one who had a profusion of bugs with X1a. For many people it had been a show stopper because of the sheer number of bugs and the constant crashing.
    In any case SONAR 8.3 and 8.5.3 continue to work as they always have.
    This Laptop rig is stable enough for me to use Live just not been the case with X1a. As I've already said X1b is working fine so far except for the disappearing CB.
     

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:30:24 (permalink)
    A further note to the disappearing CB is that the Minimize/Maximize buttons/icons in the top right of the Main SONAR window also disappear with the CB but don't return once the CB has been restored using the procedure previously mentioned.

    I have to close and reopen SONAR for them to be restored.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:35:19 (permalink)
    OK, fair enough

    One question though: why is your "testbed" laptop running a different OS to your main rig?
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:41:18 (permalink)
    Aero is on.
    This laptop is a monster with 1GIG of dedicated Graphics memory and 8GIG RAM
    It has better specs than a lot of desktops that folks are running.

    If my graphics card was causing me problems I'd expect to have issues rendering big graphics and videos, and 3D rendering but I don't. As I've said X1b seems to be running fine right now except for the issue I metioned.

    I should say that with the literal scores of bugs, glitches etc reported as having been fixed in X1b I'm surprised that not more people have reported a whole swathe of problems. If I had to guess why I'd say that they stopped using X1a at a point and never encountered all the problems they would have had they persisted in testing further. I on the other hand spent nearly 4 whole weeks with X1a trying to make it work and uncovering all the things that were wrong with it.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:45:08 (permalink)
    Mike, my old computer had a GT 320 and couldn't draw waveforms in Sony Acid. 

    I'm serious about this man, it could easily be your laptop!
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/22 23:56:48 (permalink)
    I've been doing this a long time. I can assure you its not my laptop.
    While ever it works for 99% of my stuff I'm happy.
    When I have such graphics and CPU intensive software working perfectly why would you rationally be thinking that it must be my laptop.

    I've just finished a project editing over 6 GIG of .wav files from 2 days of live recording on my laptop using SF 10.0c without a single glitch. Certainly had no problem drawing waveforms. this stuff was recorded and edited on this laptop.

    This CB problem is being reported by others too.

    that's it now; I'm leaving my own thread.

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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/03/23 02:23:15 (permalink)
    Aero is on. This laptop is a monster with 1GIG of dedicated Graphics memory and 8GIG RAM It has better specs than a lot of desktops that folks are running.
    Yep. It was a shot that would be an easy fix. I really think you did have it off.

    This happened to me and it was in another thread that I confirmed that it was a bug. But it was then associated with the event inspector module when it was active. Perhaps its due to some other module.

    It was supposedly fixed in X1B so I don't know what to advise now.



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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/04/04 06:34:51 (permalink)
    i'm having exactly the same problem:
    http://img546.imageshack.us/i/x1b.jpg/

    I thought it was fixed under sonar x1b but it's not :(

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    SilkTone
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/04/04 11:04:51 (permalink)
    I can confirm that I also saw this issue with X1b.

    Windows 10 Pro x64, SONAR Platinum 64-bit
    Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 USB, ASRock Z97 Pro4, Haswell 4790k @ 4.4GHz
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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/04/04 12:00:22 (permalink)
    mudgel


    I've not been able to say that about SONAR X1 until now: having installed the X1B update.
     
    What can I say but that it works. generally OK.
     
    still lose the Control bar when I change focus to another window for any length of time. Proving to be a real pain. is there something anyone knows about this?
     
    narrow channels in CV are great - except when more than one digit in channel number - minor issue compared to the previous serious limitations - much better
     
    lot's of things better - I just have to learn the program now.
     
    After having worked quite a bit with another DAW I didn't realise how much a truly gapless audio engine has impacted on me. Maybe SONAR will have it one day too.



    Which DAWs feature a gapless audio engine, if i may ask?




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    Re:After 8 hours of continuously running X1B 2011/04/04 23:12:14 (permalink)
    Anderton


    If the control bar goes away, just type C to make it re-appear.


    I lost the control bar tonight, first time it has happened.  I left SONAR running but did a lot of work in other programs including Adobe Audition.  When I returned to SONAR after several hours, the whole control bar area was dark, although I could faintly see the run time counter.  Pressing C did not restore it.  I had to exit SONAR and restart, and then everything is OK.


    Software: Cakewalk by Bandlab; Adobe Audition; Band-in-A-Box audiophile; Izotope Ozone; Encore; Melodyne; Win 10 Pro, 64-bit.

    Hardware: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd; Roland Integra-7; TCE Finalizer; Presonus Central Station, Behringer X-Touch.  Home built i7 with 16 GB RAM, SSDs.
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