After I automate......

Mr. Mike


Gee whiz this is frustrating. If I automate a track, my tools don't work normally. I'm sure there is some simple way to do it, but after ten years, I can't find it by any traditional means. I just want to slip edit the track after I've automated the volume. Pull it back a little. I can do it fine before I automate it. Afterwards, it's impossible. (at least to me) What am I doing wrong now??

This should not be this hard. I'm trying to be patient, but honestly, it's starting to really piss me off. 

oh my--I didn't know it was a contest-- You're right, he said "slip edit"--But I'm so used to people using terms they don't really intend, I thought he may have meant volume. Hopefully Mr. Mike will come back to his thread and let us know how he's getting on.

Mr. Mike


Sorry if I've confused anyone. I've hit "W" on a  track and used the fader on a Tascam FW to fade out the end. I can adjust the volume nodes on the fadeout til the cows come home. But, now I want to grab the end of the clip and pull it back to the spot where the volume is completely off and the tool I need to do that is not readily available. When I put my mouse on the end of the clip I don't the little icon and I can't edit. I'd had the problem before and couldn't remember the solution. 

I have finally figured out how to do it. It's yet another keystroke I didn't need before. I don't know what kind of producer these changes were made to accommodate, but I do know I'm no longer interested in looking up how to do something I've done simply for over ten years. 

If it worked much better overall or sounded better or had some feature I couldn't live without, I'd be inclined to adapt. For me, it's been a waste of money and a lot of time. It's slow, cluttered and there is nothing I didn't already have in 8.5. I've spent more time on this forum in the last 6 months than I have in ten years. 

My studio partner has been screaming ProTools for years. We've actually lost some work because we use Sonar. I guess it's time to make the change. 

Thanks for the help everyone. 

And, hello, FBB - "...To lower the whole envelope all you have to do is make sure there is nothing selected, shift click on the envelope you wish to edit and then anywhere towards the top of the clip, click drag down or up. Moves the whole envelope. Takes seconds..."

Yes, I know - and that worked in previous Sonars also.  Most people aren't comfortable grabbing an entire envelope, based on the posts I've read about it.  I do that and am happy with it, but the Off Set mode is probably the more sure way for some people to change the over all volume of a track.

brundlefly

Dan Cate
In X1 we added an edit filter to allow you to focus on either envelopes or clips (or note data if on a MIDI track). This allows you to edit specific data types without accidentally editing some other event as you would in 8.5.

I think the OP has got it, now. The bigger issue is whether the help in preventing inadvertent edits is worth the extra keystrokes and clicks needed to constantly be changing the Edit Filter state. For some of us, the above would read:

"The Edit Filter forces you to focus on either envelopes or clips (or note data if on a MIDI track). This forces you to edit specific data types without deliberately editing some other event as you could in 8.5."

My most recent peeve with regard to this involves not being able to drag a clip while the transient markers are showing because the Edit Filter makes displaying markers and moving clips mutually exclusive.   And you can't Shift-click anywhere to show transient markers which makes this switch particularly irksome.

I'm thinking it might be time to enter a feature request for an all-powerful "Dumb" tool capable of over-riding the restrictions of the Edit Filter and editing any object at any time.