After how long... has Sonar been KaaaPuutZzz? Anyone going with ProTools?

It's funny, because the answer would almost appear to be no. PT is expensive compaired to most of the others. It makes no real sense unless you really have to have it to get customers. But that's a sad reason to choose a DAW. 
I have a few friends who went with Pro tools for the same reason people buy Gibson and Fender guitars without looking at alternitives. They both have way more money than I do. The one guy has well over $10,000 in his rig. It's nice but so far I havn't heard anything good come out the other end. He might as well have a Fostex 4 track. 
There's also someone around here who used to use Pro Tools for years now but just swicthed to Cubase. He said Pro Tools is just too expensive to maintain and he's not doin enough recording to justify that. He really likes Cubase and said it does more than he thought it would.
Pro tool users all think the other DAWs are inferior I guess.  
A few of the Mac people around here like Logic the best. 
 
Anyway's Pro Tools is probably what you call a good investment if your a busy studio. And I'm sure it works as good as any other DAW. It's not a DAW for Hobbiest unless your are a retired Dentist. 

My experience of Pro Fools is that you only use it if/when you really, really have to. The general public are under the illusion that Pro Fools is the best because it's the industry standard - which means just that - it's standard, mediocre, nothing special. Just like Yamaha NS10 Ms used to be the industry standard nearfield monitor found in every studio because they were a good reference for the average cr*p speakers home audiences were listening to at the time - the same principle as checking a mix on iPhone earbuds nowadays.
 
Outside the industry and the standard, the best DAW is the one that you can be most productive with and produce the best results with. That means a DAW that has the capabilities you need, a workflow that suits you and doesn't get in your way or block your creativity or prevent you from doing what you want. The only way to find that is to try out lots of demos then when you find the best fit, commit to it, learn it and use it.

Thanks folks.. I'm lost again! lol
I ran into a few ProFools problems last night... it a pile of DooDoo!!
 
 
 
 
 

Sorry maybe i'm rude.....Sonar is the best daw on the market,for me,i hate Protools, like Apple...musicians love liberty

I honestly had no problem with the workflow of ProTools and quite liked it. It's interface felt snappy and it's meat and potatoes functionality felt very solid, in fact more solid than Sonar for sure (didn't come across half the weirdness/quirks I experience in Sonar). Stuff like clip editing, arranging, mixing - all very reliable. The main reason I ditched it was because it was 32 bit at the time and so it had trouble with all the synths and sample libraries I was using. I ended up having to host the synths in Reaper and ReWire them into ProTools. And that led me to thinking I should choose another DAW, hence Sonar. I think its bad rap is unjustified - yes it's overrated, but it's still a very solid DAW.

Most commercial recordings go through ProTools at some point - as remarked above - it is the standard.  If you are working with pro facilities you'll need to use PT or know how to work your DAW of choice with PT.  So PT must be doing something right - or at least not wrong.  Back in the dark ages of the 20th century computers could not run audio.  Midi - fine.  Audio - Ha!  Until a little company in the 90s came up with an accelerator card, DSP, that would plug into a mac and allow you to capture, edit and output the audio recording.  Later the card was upgraded to 8 ADDAs and more power (plus w/ the growing native power) to actually edit across multiple tracks.  As computer power grew in the new millennium, the now ProTools was the only DAW w/ the extra DSP to do calculations on audio in real time - with no latency when recording.  And then combined with the deep pockets and expertise of AVID (DSP video editing software/hardware combination) Protools captured most of the professional market, just as AVID did with the pro video market.
 
There are plenty of programs outside of AVID and Protools for doing music and video, whether SONAR or Vegas or garage band etc. So if you want a job in a commercial studio you should learn protools.  If you want to use what you want but take material in to a commercial facility you need to do the work of compatibility.  Just don't think Protools is the best (tho it is right up there for audio editing) and hence flawless.  And for PT to work at its best, you need the PT hardware.  And that is expensive and makes whining about software updates cheap.  An owner at a local studio last year or so was complaining about having to update his apple OS - but if he did he'd have to lay out $10K to PT for new hardware to have the same capabilities as on his old OS.
 

sharke
I honestly had no problem with the workflow of ProTools and quite liked it. It's interface felt snappy and it's meat and potatoes functionality felt very solid, in fact more solid than Sonar for sure (didn't come across half the weirdness/quirks I experience in Sonar). Stuff like clip editing, arranging, mixing - all very reliable. The main reason I ditched it was because it was 32 bit at the time and so it had trouble with all the synths and sample libraries I was using. I ended up having to host the synths in Reaper and ReWire them into ProTools. And that led me to thinking I should choose another DAW, hence Sonar. I think its bad rap is unjustified - yes it's overrated, but it's still a very solid DAW.

Thanks for the input. I recorded some test tracks on my creation Station today, seemed smooth.
But mixing on my laptop, AD2 and 3 Wave's plugins and the CPU is clipping... PT has NO core balance!!!
only one out 4 is really doing everything. At the ProTools forum when I am using my Cakewalk (Niceguy) approach. Core balancing is a ProTools issue. That hurts! what's the point of have all the cores on earth and they are not working... I have nowhere near the ram requirements, that's a ways off... but no rush of leaving MY DAW Sonar Splat! 
 
 

GMGM 
Track counts aren't really an issue for me, except that I always liked to save my various un-used takes in separate tracks (archived within a session file for quick and easy access if I needed something).

In ProTools you don't need to save your unused takes in separate tracks...
That's what "Playlists" are for. Each track can have a Playlist of as many tracks as you want and you can freely interchange them with your active track or comp with them.

Great music nice sound.