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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 08:53:13 (permalink)
does this happen in win 7 ONLY? I'm on win xp sp3 32bit sonar 8.5.3
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:11:51 (permalink)

test this, simply load a project and insert the Sonitus Delay into an fx bin. (You may already have a project like this) Now hold down the space bar with something and veiw your memory manager (In Win7 goto Task Manager/Performance Tab and watch your memory drain away.)
 
 
 
 
Man!! Im not gonna do that sh*t...
 
 
on the serious side this is good to know, and does have me concerned.  thanx for posting.. 
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:12:52 (permalink)
Quick question! I have 8.5 discs. I just downloaded the 8.0 sonitus delay file from the forum. What is the most painless way of installing this file. I am running 8.5.3 and X1, all 32 and 54 bit versions.
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:22:26 (permalink)
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Now hold down the space bar with something and veiw your memory manager

 
What does holding down the space bar do in this instance?
As you know, the space bar starts/stops the transport.  The memory leak causes about 3k of RAM to be lost each time the transport is started/stopped.
 
By holding down the space bar you invoke "key repeat" and thus speed up the leak, making it visible on the memory use graph in windose task manager.
 
 
 
edit: speeling
post edited by Karyn - 2010/12/23 09:24:04

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:36:44 (permalink)
Aleef, I was thinking about making a new PC with AMD Phenom II. How is yours working?
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:37:59 (permalink)
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:44:54 (permalink)
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:49:53 (permalink)
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I don't think your ability at snooker or pool is relevant to your forum title, but with some of the changes in X1 it wouldn't suprise me.

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 09:59:00 (permalink)
? Since 9/28/2007? Is it because I don't pot alot?
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I don't think your ability at snooker or pool is relevant to your forum title, but with some of the changes in X1 it wouldn't suprise me.
 
Actually it is my typing skills that are lacking...Should have read POST alot.  Sorry


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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 10:15:28 (permalink)
Thanks for the heads up!

The .dll file is only relevant for the VST version, am I right? Does't this mean that the DX plugin does not have this problem? I'm pretty sure most of my Sonitus Delay instances are DX.
 
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 10:58:21 (permalink)
Aleef, I was thinking about making a new PC with AMD Phenom II. How is yours working? I primarily do digital audio (very little MIDI) using Presonus Firepod (Studio) or Mackie 1640 (Live

 
 
 
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 11:09:26 (permalink)
Memory leaks are nasty little buggers as they tend to corrupt memory that has been allocated to another process.

So not only can you be loosing "unused" memory, but you have the potential to rewrite memory that another task needs.

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 11:26:22 (permalink)
I have the Sonitus delay on some projects and it constantly leaks memory, not just when you start and stop.

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 12:51:53 (permalink)
This is a known issue shortly after 8.5 (or 8.5.3 I can't remember) came out. But what I do remember is there were some users po'd because CW never addressing this or fixing it. IIRC

It only happens with 64bit systems. IIRC 

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 13:10:19 (permalink)
Okay, it's true that it would take a lot of start/stops used in a "normal" way to kill Sonar.  BUT, it also takes memory away from other things you may wish to load, and to put this into perspective again, you will never reach anywhere near the amount of free memory you have because Sonar crashes long before (as if only a dedicated, smaller area of the memory was being addressed and when that's full ... BINGO).

I manage to crash it after only about a minute - I was expecting much longer because the memory depletion was nowhere near the total amount shown on screen.

Apart from that (and most important), it the 8.0 version did not do this, so why should we accept it in 8.5 upwards ?
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 13:11:38 (permalink)
>> It only happens with 64bit systems. IIRC  <<

Not true, I am on XP Pro SP3 32 bit, and it does it too.
 
Edit: For clarity
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 13:30:03 (permalink)
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>> It only happens with 64bit systems. IIRC  <<

Not true, I am on XP Pro SP3 32 bit, and it does it too.
 
Edit: For clarity
I was sure it was 64b only. Do you hav the ddl version from X1 or 8.5?
 
Here is my reasoning:
It was fine in 8.0
Went bad in 8.5
Getting worse now in X1?
 
But I remember the same comments and uproar/displeasure from users. No one was happy. And I forgot who it was that found you could revert back to 8.0 dll version. It was a user for sure.
 
[edit]spelling as usual
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 13:44:05 (permalink)
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>> It only happens with 64bit systems. IIRC  <<

Not true, I am on XP Pro SP3 32 bit, and it does it too.
 
Edit: For clarity
I was sure it was 64b only. Do you hav the ddl version from X1 or 8.5?
 
Here is my reasoning:
It was fine in 8.0
Went bad in 8.5
Getting worse now in X1?
 
But I remember the same comments and uproar/displeasure from users. No one was happy. And I forgot who it was that found you could revert back to 8.0 dll version. It was a user for sure.
 
 
I have X1 (and tested on this) and have replaced the 3.3.4.whatever with the 3.3.3.whatever from SONAR 8.0 PE disks (just copying over the .dll file into the folder did not work for me, so I got the disk out as suggested by the OP).  I don't know if it is getting worse in X1, as I was not aware of the problem before today (and I don't use the Sonitus Delay THAT much). 
 
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 14:27:24 (permalink)
I'm thinking that the ones with this problem before will chime in here eventually

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 15:21:34 (permalink)
Is the Sonitus Delay  FX issue causing the Runtime Error C++? Because that's what shows up when the program crashes in both X1 as well as 8.5.3....just curious... Also...why do  X1 bugs affect 8.5.3?  It's like somebody burned the lifeboats

and yes...it also seems to be happening is Vista 32bit!
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 15:31:33 (permalink)
Im 32 bit XP pro and iot was happening. The fix worked.

When editing and recording vocals I often do TONS of starts stops, lots of fast ones.

i can totally see this being a crash culprit I would get after a while sometimes on 8.5.3.

I am very grateful for the 8.0 DLL file find that doesnt leak.

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 15:32:12 (permalink)
So that you know I know a few cakewalk people and sent this bug as well as a few others last nigth tot hem directly as well as filling out a problem report

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 15:55:24 (permalink)
when I went from sonar 6 to sonar 8.5.3, alot of c++ crashes were happening. I'm wondering if the delay thing has been the problem all along? arty
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 15:56:09 (permalink)
Question....will this FX fix also work with a Sonar 7 disc? I know sonitus was also on that version as well.
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 16:16:13 (permalink)
sonar 6 has the sonitus delay aswell.
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 16:21:06 (permalink)
Just answered my own Question...I only had the Sonar 7 disc on hand...8.5 disc is snugly tucked away at home..but the re-install of the sonitus fx delay also works off of 7 as well....will bring in 8 after the holiday..that is unless the Caker's come up with the fix patch between now and then.... I hope ...I hope..I hope!
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 16:22:56 (permalink)
Pre 8.3.1 should work ;worth testing at least ;)

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 16:59:39 (permalink)
Eurika! I found this on an old IBM Post.....bug could cause this kind of runtime error? Possibly a memory leak somewhere? ... Usually such an error is the result of memory corruption somewhere in the program.....
       Which may very well explain this Sonitus Fx Delay issue!!! So what is it in X1 that's causing the memory leak in the Sonitus Delay? I've been screaming about the runtime error showing up since I installed X1..and I've been using a Template that I created with all the vocal effects pre-patched...Including the Sonitus FX delay for the lead vocals...and it consistantly crashed. No crashes yet....(knocking on wood til my knuckles bleed!!!  lol!)
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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 17:09:43 (permalink)
Hope the delay fix did it!

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Re:All Sonar X1, X1a, and 8.5 Users Please Read Important!!! 2010/12/23 17:16:37 (permalink)
Sure did.....thanks Lance...this has to be the most constructive and positive post in this entire forum..{seriously..there is nothing like a cure...there are too many people up on here flexing personality disorders}.... this is a real good look!
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