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2013/08/11 17:57:04 (permalink)

All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated?

How strange....I fire up Windows just now, and out of the blue I get a message from Microsoft Security Essentials that my copy of Windows is not validated and that unless I take action, Security Essentials will be invalidated in 30 days. To fix this, I had to visit the MS website and download a validation tool. Yet this is a boxed copy of Windows 7 that I bought a couple of years ago and I've never had any "validation" problems with it. I wonder what could have happened to make this warning pop up? The only vaguely freaky thing I've done in the past 24 hours is to go into the boot options in msconfig and set the boot process to work with all 6 of my cores (apparently this is supposed to speed up boot time, although so far I can't say I've noticed a difference). I wonder if just doing something as simple as that has triggered something untoward. 

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 19:04:42 (permalink)
    What you did is inform Windows 7 that you have more than one CPU, whereas you do not. 4,  6, 8 cores is still only one CPU. Change it back to having only one CPU in msconfig.exe
     
    I just looked at it, you do not put the number of cores in there, you put the number of CPU in there, and still my computer and yours is only one CPU. So yes, you would get that, so go back to the boot that you had before you decided that cores meant CPU's when it does not.
     
    There is no place to put in cores there, only the number of CPU's, which is one, and only one CPU.

     
     (By doing that, yes Windows 7 thinks you have another computer you used the same Windows 7 version and authorization and that you are cheating them out of money.)
    (yes, a computer is stupid, even the programs in them sometimes, it is not a kid, it does not think, it is just a stupid computer).
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2013/08/11 19:06:55

     
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 20:14:25 (permalink)
    Well I guess I was persuaded into thinking that the "number of processors" was referring to cores, given that it gave me the option of specifying up to 6, which is how many cores I have. In fact a quick Google would confirm that by "processors" they mean cores. 
     
    However it also seems that it's a myth that changing this setting will increase boot time. The option is there to limit how many processors are used during the boot for troubleshooting purposes. Without the box checked, Windows will use as many cores as it needs. Apparently. 

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 20:23:44 (permalink)
    And it may be the same sub-routine they use on a computer that is a server that does have more than 1 CPU or a 2 CPU computer since those are made.
    That means that it seems to the OS that you are on another computer.
     
    If you can not get it working again like it did, you may even have to call up Microsoft and state that it is the same computer the OS has been on for a couple of years, and you just tried that out, in which case they probably have a phone number to call in the authorization routine and then they will probably give you a code (for free) to put back in your computer.
     
    Cores are not CPU's. Cores are in the same CPU, but if you have more then one CPU you may have a different computer even maybe a Server computer. Not the same to the OS that has perhaps the same sub-routines for such computers also in the OS called Windows 7.
     
    Sometimes you also have to check the validity of such information on the Internet also. (and I suppose the best place to check all of that again would be the Microsoft website and what they say it is.)
     
    And you can get to System Configuration or the same thing via Control Panel -> Adminstrative Tools (whatever) -> System Configuration.
     
     
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2013/08/11 20:28:01

     
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 20:45:47 (permalink)
    Microsoft certainly seem to think cores are CPU's. For instance, in the performance tab in the task manager, check the View Menu->CPU history setting. It gives you two options: "One graph, all CPU's" or "one graph per CPU." If you have "one graph per CPU" selected, then the CPU Usage History will show as many graphs as you have cores. 

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 20:52:49 (permalink)
    Yes, and I have 4, which means processing cores in one CPU. At any rate, if you need a validation code from Microsoft it will probably be no big deal, it has been done before, but I did it like 10 years ago probably with Windows 2000 or something there, forget which OS, which is why they probably took out putting in a different harddrive or a second harddrive and graphics card and such, because - they were called (and gave another validation code for free to re-validate the computer with.)
     
    And since no code to do it over the Internet, they had to be called with the phone number given for that also.
     
     I know what you are saying but it did not say processing cores, just processors. There is that difference, 1 CPU is a processor, 4 processing cores are processing cores in 1 CPU.
     
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 21:30:55 (permalink)
    I guess it doesn't matter because I ran the validation tool and all seems to be well. But from the example I gave above it does seem that Microsoft thinks of a core as a CPU, and I can't find anything online which says that the # of boot processors setting refers to individual chips instead of cores. In fact everything I've read implies that it's referring to cores. And sorry to nitpick, but why would it give me the option of setting 1-6 processors if it means actual chips, when surely Windows would be able to detect that I only have one chip? Unless 6 CPU's is the maximum allowed on a multiprocessor system? I can't imagine that it is. I guess this could be settled by someone with 4 cores checking to see if it gives them the option of booting with 1-4 processors. 
     

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/11 23:49:08 (permalink)
    All of sudden my life said it wasn't validated either...
     
    I blame Microsoft.

     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/12 09:51:21 (permalink)
    You think you're having fun now, sharke, wait till you actually do change your hardware profile by upgrading the motherboard. Then you get to plead with a dozen different companies to let you keep using your plugins!


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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/12 11:06:15 (permalink)
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    You think you're having fun now, sharke, wait till you actually do change your hardware profile by upgrading the motherboard. Then you get to plead with a dozen different companies to let you keep using your plugins!




    I've heard of similar things happening to people and it's outrageous! Luckily I've never had to make such a major upgrade to a system before it became time to get a new one altogether. I'm the kind of klutz who has trouble installing a new hard drive let alone a motherboard. 

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/12 17:02:06 (permalink)
    Ya, back about 1985 people decided to buy IBM compatible computers since IBM endorsed Microsoft. (they are sorry they did that). But people decided to buy those computers over Apple at the time anyway.
     
    Sorry I have to use a Windows computer, because before I had an Apple computer and it worked.
     

     
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/13 10:47:37 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    I'll be on the 3rd day with Microsoft Support to fix the issue with Windows 8 Pro and the conflicts between the Homegroup and the Network ... and today will be the 7th hour on this already ... one machine has had two re-installs, and we'll see what happens on the other machine today ... they found that they could see the machine with a set IP, but not the Windows way ....
     
    I think that if it hits the 9th hour, I will amend my complaint to Microsoft and tell them they I should get new, and working, software!
     
     
    It's the first time, I have ever had an issue with any of the Professional Software from Microsoft! Win XP-Pro has been magnificent all around, W7 Pro has been fine. W8-Pro looks like something that was not finished when they sold it, but they wanted to get everyone's attention on something or other, I bet! ... well I got them the State of WA Attorney General to send them a letter! That is the best attention there is!
     
    Things started out by the machine losing the network information all the time.
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/13 14:30:42 (permalink)
    Well, I've never been validated.
     
    What's the point? Ya?
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/13 17:01:39 (permalink)
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    Well, I've never been validated.
     
    What's the point? Ya?




    But you Am!

     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/17 18:51:03 (permalink)
    Anything else not understood about computers? Processing cores are not complete processors like the central entire CPU which is the complete processor. The cores only do a limited amount of work, in storing instructions (that would have to be read again by the CPU in memory taking longer) in their cache, and storing frequently used instructions to speed up the computer by making the complete processor CPU faster. They do not work like the complete CPU in the computer and can not and never will be able to do as much. They assist the complete CPU processor.
     
     

     
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/18 19:56:39 (permalink)
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    Anything else not understood about computers? Processing cores are not complete processors like the central entire CPU which is the complete processor. The cores only do a limited amount of work, in storing instructions (that would have to be read again by the CPU in memory taking longer) in their cache, and storing frequently used instructions to speed up the computer by making the complete processor CPU faster. They do not work like the complete CPU in the computer and can not and never will be able to do as much. They assist the complete CPU processor.
     

     
    I understand the point you're making, but you're wrongly discounting the fact that Microsoft uses the term CPU to refer to a processing core. Observe:
     

     
    Note that my view options are set to "one graph per CPU" instead of "One graph, all CPUs" and that the CPU history section at the top is displaying 6 graphs (I have 6 cores). You might want to take this up with Microsoft. 
     

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/19 01:36:43 (permalink)
    It's not bad until Windows says YOU'RE not validated.

     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/19 10:20:38 (permalink)
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    It's not bad until Windows says YOU'RE not validated.


    I've been getting that message since Win 3.1
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/19 11:21:00 (permalink)
    I saw it in v2, but since that was IBM's short-lived attempt to get rid of Microsquish, I've ignored it ever since.

     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/19 17:00:26 (permalink)
    Did you ventilate it?
     
    OH, sorry you said validate. My bad.

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/20 11:28:19 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Update on Microsoft Complaint:
     
    9 hours on the phone
     
    On both computers with W8-Pro:
     
    Comp A and B boot
    Comp A finds network and folders
    Comp B doesn't
    Do a Share/unshare of a folder on Comp A
    Comp B refreshes network information and brings things up
     
    Both computers LOSE your specific power settings when updating W8.
    Both computers LOSE network settings upon ANY reboot or reset
    Both computers LOSE their "trust pc" information with Microsoft, which you CAN NOT remove!
    Both PC's force you to have a Microsoft account, btw ... and you can not have an option to separate it from them!
    Both computers check with the Microsoft account on an average of about 2 to 3 times per minute.
    Both computers disable/change settings on your machine, when they can not connect to the Microsoft Account
     
    Want me to go on?
     
    Conclusion:
    1. Frustration!
    2. Microsoft is setting this up for you to be their slave! And a part of their CLOUD!
    3. Microsoft can not escalate anything, because their programmers and idiots are "non-existant" and they are like GOD ... you can not talk to them, because they all say you are the idiot and you did not install things correctly ... and their support in India ... has been good ... but I fixed the issue, albeit it, there are issues saving system files and their settings.
     
    Basically the Home Group is ****ed up, and does not talk to the network! And the updating of those settings are completely ignored and do not change anything!
     
    More as I come up to it ... State Attorney letter got a nice response btw ... and I'm waiting for Bill Gates to show up at my door and give me something for free for my time and effort to help them! I'll probably give him a kick in the butt and tell him I don't want his bad software that doesn't work!
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/20 11:55:03 (permalink)
    There is a difference between Validation and Activation.
     
    When you install Windows you get 30 days of free use before it has to be "Activated", which involves Windows phoning home with its serial number.
     
    MS Security Essentials checks to see if your core Microsoft programs have been compromised by viruses.  It records assorted information about installed programs and rechecks every now and then to see if anything has been changed (by a virus).  To ensure that the first check is accurate (and not just recording the effects of an existing virus or 'hacked' software) it runs the Microsoft Validation tool which checks your installed MS software (and all updates and patches) for validity.
     
    Occasionaly a scheduled updated will include updates to the validation tool so Securityty Essentials will run it again.
     
     
    If you've made manual changes to your msconfig file (something you shouldn't really need to do) it could have triggered Security Essentials into thinking your system has been compromised.
     

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/20 12:20:22 (permalink)
    Windows does know the difference between Processors and Cores.
     
    Traditionaly, processors (the square lump with a big heat sink) only had one core. You could call this a CPU.
    Motherboards were available that could take 2 or more processors (CPUs) and Windows licencing would count them to determine if it would run or not.  Windows "desktop" versions work with up to 2 processors only. Windows "server" versions have special licencing based on the number of processors being used.
     
    In a processor with multiple cores, each core is a self contained CPU.  Windows allows as many cores as you can stuff under the heat sink in one processor and calls each one a CPU (which it is).  Turning on hyper-threading in your motherboard bios seperates the twin data paths that each core has to make them work independantly, effectivly doubling the number of cores, with a slight efficiency hit.  Windows will then see double the number of cores and display them all in task manager.
     
    The servers in our rack use Intel Xeon processors.   Each server has 2 processors, each with 6 cores, each with hyper-threading, Windows displays 24 CPUs.   The Server licence is for 2 processors.
     

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/20 12:23:25 (permalink)
    Karyn
    There is a difference between Validation and Activation.
    ... 



    Had no issues with "validation" or "Activation". The main issue is that it is hooked up to their Microsoft Accounts (they want you on THEIR CLOUD), and it is pinging that account time and again ... and when it fails it is disconnecting parts of your network and computer internal information! And changing settings on your computer!
     
    If that is a "security" measure, I'm ok with it, but at least return the settings, but you being able to do your things via IP on your network and seeing folders and the Homegroup/Windows prevents you from doing it, you know there is an issue with Windows!
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2013/08/20 12:49:06

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/20 12:53:48 (permalink)
    I don't care what Microsoft calls it, a lot of people call things but not totally accurate.
    The cores are not complete processors and can not do as much as the entire complete 1 CPU, that is all I was saying.
     
    Whatever someone calls it is irrelevant, the cores just don't work that way.
    If you read programming books, then you would see that.
    And Intel has plenty to read about any of it.
    (for free).
     
    I don't care what anyone calls it really!

     
    You haved 6 central processing units (cores)(cpu's) in one computer processing unit (CPU).
     
    And since Microsoft abbreviates does not mean you can. If Windows states you only have 1 CPU when it installs, that is all you have, no matter how many central processing units the computer processing unit has.
     

     
    And you must pay them and thank them for all of it or any of it I guess, but why??
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2013/08/20 13:34:52

     
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/21 09:19:26 (permalink)
    spacealf
    I don't care what Microsoft calls it, a lot of people call things but not totally accurate.
    The cores are not complete processors and can not do as much as the entire complete 1 CPU, that is all I was saying.
     
    ...


    I'm not sure that you or I can win this ... all new versions of Windows are forcing you to sign up with Windows Live ... and that means they will always know about your computer, what's in it, and all that ... but then, you, or anyone else, thinking that Apple doesn't do the same thing is the worst joke ever created!
     
     

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/21 09:29:33 (permalink)
    No one forces anyone to sign up to Windows Live.  I've just spent £38,000 upgrading/replacing the IT systems at work without going anywhere near Windows Live.

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/21 09:34:34 (permalink)
    Karyn
    No one forces anyone to sign up to Windows Live.  I've just spent £38,000 upgrading/replacing the IT systems at work without going anywhere near Windows Live.




    What did you do?
    Buy 5 Mac Pros with all the goodies?
     
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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/21 09:53:48 (permalink)
    No,  we couldn't afford 5..

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    Re: All of a sudden Windows says it's not validated? 2013/08/21 10:46:02 (permalink)
    :-)


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