Alright - how do I isolate frequencies on a track? - (not solved - it's not going to work)

scook
R-Mix sounds perfect for this application
 
The ModFilter help came up when I hit F1 with the ModFilter UI in focus. The help should be located in "Cakewalk\Shared Plugins" directory.

I put R-Mix in, but the sound area in the plot is so small and narrow, I cannot possibly isolate what I am looking for.  I looked at the documentation, but cannot see how to change the zoom level of the plotted sound.
 
Bob Bone

I do not believe there is a zoom function.

Which song is it Bob?
 
I transcribed a LOT of stuff back in the day (wit the help of my classically trained keyboard player)

Something like Celemony's Direct Note Access in Melodyne or even Riffstation might help perhaps..?  There are trial versions available for both I think.

OK - sorry I posted here by the way,
 
I downloaded Melodyne's 30-day demo, and am working through figuring it out.
 
I have what appears to be a giant learning curve there.
 
Here is the approximately 4-5 seconds of music I am trying to isolate the keyboard lead from:
 
(edited - link removed)
 
In case anybody wants to take a stab at it.
 
I will continue to try to figure out how to do this in Melodyne in the meantime, 
 
Bob Bone
 

Thanks - I will give that a shot.  It is just so hard to dig stuff out that is in the same frequency range as other instruments.
 
I did post a link to the 5 seconds of music I am struggling with, in case anyone feels like helping a guy out.
 
 
Bob Bone

Melodyne in fact can NOT isolate an individual's notes in a mixed track. It will not give me the solution I had hoped.
 
It appears that there is no way to isolate the keyboard lead from the mix.
 
I will attempt to deal with it best I can.  It's just very frustrating, because it is only about 5 seconds of music, and I have literally sequenced up the rest of this song in midi.
 
Oh well, 
 
Bob Bone
 

sometimes transposing it up an octave makes things pop out a bit, espicially true for bass notes, but might be worth a try

Thanks for the ideas, guys.  I have some coffee brewing, and will start looking at the above.
 
I love this forum - thanks again.
 
Bob Bone
 

Thanks, all.  I will look at all of the above later this afternoon - I have to go run a zillion errands.
 
Bob Bone

carl

CJaysMusic

Hi - I am working on figuring out the keyboard lead of a favorite prog tune, and in one section the keyboard lead notes get lost in the mix.

Robert, this is a mixing problem that can be solved by using:1.) Complimentary EQ Techniques with every instrument in the song2.) Special panning techniques so each instrument is in its own 3D Stereo Filed. You need to place instruments in the Back Center, Middle right, Middle Left, Front Right, Back Right, Mid center, front center and so on. You do this with a series of short delays (reverbs) and panning techniques with sends, tracks and buses. Dong those 2 things will make each instruments in its own frequency field and have its very own place in the 3D stereo image. Things are not just left, right and center. Thank Me,CJ

I'll pass this advice onto Ken Scott so he can thank you personally! 

lol

Don't know if anyone has suggested it but you could apply for stems from whoever has the rights to the original. Tell 'em you wanna remix or use a portion of the song. Some require upfront payment, which obviously wouldn't be what you're looking for. But some will give you stems as long as you've signed an agreement to give them their percentage if you ever sell the results. And that is of course, if stems already exist for this song? As getting stems made, costs dough as well.

scook
R-Mix sounds perfect for this application

I know R-Mix didn't help in this case because it doesn't have the ability to zoom in tight enough to isolate the frequencies that Robert needed.
 
However, I wanted to put in a plug for R-Mix.  I'm working on a big band arrangement for a signer.  I have been trying to get a voice track from him so I will have a good idea how he phrases things -- I can keep the horn punches out of his way.  We were never able to connect in a normal sort of way, so my fallback plan was to catch him at a rehearsal and have him sing into a field recorder, with an MP3 player in his ears.
 
It seemed like a good plan until the guy with the key to the union hall never made it, so the band was standing outside waiting for 45 minutes, in a noisy environment.  I figured I might as well try to capture that recording.  There was a a lot of background noise, especially other band members talking right next to him, and the noise of traffic driving by.
 
But R-Mix was able to really isolate the vocal pretty well.  By adding a noise gate to the chain, It actually was a pretty clean recording -- a lot better than I expected.
 
The only problem is that because of the noise, he wasn't in sync with the music all the way, but I can tell what he was trying to do I think.  And then he said my MP3 track was about 20 beats too slow.  So my next move is to do the 30-day trial of Melodyne.  Looking at the videos, I ought to be able to put his vocals right where (I think) he intended them, and do it at the faster tempo. 
 
OK, it would be a lot faster to drive over to his house and just record the *^%$#% thing again, but this is war.  I'm determined to make my plan work.  :)  But seriously, if Melodyne can really do what it says, this would be an awesome tool, so I am eager to try it out on this low risk project.
 
And speaking of noise removal, if Melodyne can actually find all the real notes, then it seems like there  ought to be a way to throw away everything that Melodyne didn't consider to be real notes.