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Altitude-based Law
Sitting here waiting for my flight, it occurred to me that although marijuana is legal in my state, and is also legal in my destination state, it is still illegal to take some along for the trip. Does the law change with altitude, or is it because I'll be passing over Utah? .
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 13:55:42
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The blue meanies pop out of the over head compartments the minute you cross over into Utah and arrest you.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 14:12:42
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Likely because you are crossing state lines. All things in America seem to get serious where state lines are concerned. ......Or so I'm told.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 14:18:26
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Um, there are plenty of states where it's illegal at any altitude if it's consistency you're looking for.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 14:25:31
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IMHO and I don't partake though it's legal here, making the evil weed a schedule 1 drug is like calling spam ham, no? Think of all the unnecessary suffering this has caused! I'm beside myself!
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 14:28:30
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 16:28:26
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My guess is (as mentioned) the crossing of state lines. ANY state lines. As soon as that happens it becomes under Federal laws which, still, have not legalized the wacky weed. On a related note, my ex-roommate was applying for a job where his "work area" (as a service technician) consisted of parts of Oregon and Washington (basically the so-called Portland Metro Area). He applied, was interviewed twice and they wanted him to work for them, but he cancelled the process when he found out they do random drug testing which STILL includes marijuana as an illegal drug because the company's headquarters were in some mid-west state that uses the Federal guideline. I've never smoked anything, but even I think this is just plain stupid.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 17:07:49
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Actually, it is because you are traveling on an aircraft subject to federal security/screening which puts you at risk for arrest under the Federal law that already makes it illegal to possess cannabis in our state, and specific federal law against transporting cannabis by air. Cannabis is a schedule 1 drug under federal law, and there is nothing preventing the DEA or FBI from breaking down your door in Washington and hauling you off to federal prison except for a sort of policy of forbearance that they will not make that a priority. That arrangement is totally dependent on who is elected to head the executive of the federal government, and to a lesser extent to the federal prosecutor in your district, who retains the power to prosecute regardless. The policy, by the way, does not apply to primary federal jurisdictions within the state, so National Parks, military bases etc. are not safe even within the state. https://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/3052013829132756857467.pdf A federal law does block the DOJ from using funding to interfere with States legalizing medical marijuana, but prosecutions have nonetheless occurred and an appellate decision has not been rendered. DOJ interprets that wording to mean only that it cannot sue or attempt to enjoin the states themselves from legalizing medical marijuana, but does not affect criminal prosecutions of individuals in affected states. In any event no such wording applies to recreational use.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 18:33:09
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/08/14 19:06:32
craigb On a related note, my ex-roommate was applying for a job where his "work area" (as a service technician) consisted of parts of Oregon and Washington (basically the so-called Portland Metro Area). He applied, was interviewed twice and they wanted him to work for them, but he cancelled the process when he found out they do random drug testing which STILL includes marijuana as an illegal drug because the company's headquarters were in some mid-west state that uses the Federal guideline.
Actually, most businesses that test employees for drugs do not do so to be in compliance with some government guideline, but on their own initiative. They believe that employees that use drugs are of less value than those who do not, even if they are sober at the workplace. Casual drug use can be taken as a surrogate marker for irresponsibility, unreliability or poor productivity, and they do not care to examine, either the scientific basis of this prejudice or the specific behavior of a particular person when they are designing an employment policy. This is the same kind of thinking that leads them to do criminal background checks, credit reports (in states where this is legal) and require letters of recommendation. All things being equal they believe that an employee who does not use drugs or alcohol, pays all his bills on time, has a respected place in the community, and a stable family is less likely to experience disruption in his private life that may affect his work. They often justify this intrusion on the private lives of their employees as a matter of safety, and in this they are supported by their insurance companies, which sometimes either refuse to insure them or charge a higher premium to insure a workforce that is not drug tested. Of course the policy is often applied to all employees, not just those whose jobs actually involve a risk. The problem with cannabis testing, is that the positive test is poorly correlated with the level of capacity of the individual at the time of the test, since the drugs remains detectable for weeks after use, when the user is no longer under the influence. Most states have no law to protect users from being fired for a positive test with the exception of medical marijuana use in a few jurisdictions. As a practical matter it is far easier to fire an employee because of a positive test violating employment policy, than it is to prove he is dangerous, incompetent or not productive.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 18:52:04
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☄ Helpfulby eph221 2016/08/14 20:14:28
Good points! I find it ironic that I've personally known or met so few of the so-called useless pot-heads you see on TV (typical media hype). In fact, many of the brightest guys I know partake (and they drink less alcohol as well).
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 19:53:41
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craigb Good points! I find it ironic that I've personally known or met so few of the so-called useless pot-heads you see on TV (typical media hype). In fact, many of the brightest guys I know partake (and they drink less alcohol as well).
Some have a chip on their shoulders, but it's understandable. They're a minority like many others and have a justifiable fear of the tyranny of the majority. Speaking truth-to-power and raging-against-the machine and burning-the-man are all great as far as it gets one in life. A lot of people wake up middle-aged and...well haven't accomplished much. That's letting the enemy win IMHO.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 21:53:03
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eph221
craigb Good points! I find it ironic that I've personally known or met so few of the so-called useless pot-heads you see on TV (typical media hype). In fact, many of the brightest guys I know partake (and they drink less alcohol as well).
Some have a chip on their shoulders, but it's understandable. They're a minority like many others and have a justifiable fear of the tyranny of the majority. Speaking truth-to-power and raging-against-the machine and burning-the-man are all great as far as it gets one in life. A lot of people wake up middle-aged and...well haven't accomplished much. That's letting the enemy win IMHO.
You forgot to start with "Hi,"...
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 22:09:02
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craigb
eph221
craigb Good points! I find it ironic that I've personally known or met so few of the so-called useless pot-heads you see on TV (typical media hype). In fact, many of the brightest guys I know partake (and they drink less alcohol as well).
Some have a chip on their shoulders, but it's understandable. They're a minority like many others and have a justifiable fear of the tyranny of the majority. Speaking truth-to-power and raging-against-the machine and burning-the-man are all great as far as it gets one in life. A lot of people wake up middle-aged and...well haven't accomplished much. That's letting the enemy win IMHO.
You forgot to start with "Hi,"...
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 22:40:49
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"Transporting" it is a federal offence. Obviously if you're taking it from one state to another you're transporting it.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 22:43:55
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eph221 A lot of people wake up middle-aged and...well haven't accomplished much. That's letting the enemy win IMHO.
Unless they never die.... then there is no "middle age". just sayin!
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/14 23:35:35
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slartabartfast Actually, most businesses that test employees for drugs do not do so to be in compliance with some government guideline, but on their own initiative. They believe that employees that use drugs are of less value than those who do not, even if they are sober at the workplace. Casual drug use can be taken as a surrogate marker for irresponsibility, unreliability or poor productivity, and they do not care to examine, either the scientific basis of this prejudice or the specific behavior of a particular person when they are designing an employment policy. This is the same kind of thinking that leads them to do criminal background checks, credit reports (in states where this is legal) and require letters of recommendation.... ...As a practical matter it is far easier to fire an employee because of a positive test violating employment policy, than it is to prove he is dangerous, incompetent or not productive.
Certain jobs require it because workers operate dangerous equipment or drive big trucks and need to be fully alert for safety reasons. And more importantly... liability and insurance reasons. They don't want to be sued by an innocent victim.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/15 00:24:37
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/08/15 01:28:35
Honestly , I don't think it is worth the risk ... You live in a State where it's legal . Your going to a State where it's legal . Why not pick up some when you get there ? Kenny
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/15 08:42:38
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Did you get it through airport security or are you simply postulating on the possibilities? Boundary lines and borders officially go from the ground up with no upper limit... not like a fence you can jump over. That's why nations get so bent out of shape when some other country fires a missile through their airspace. I think they kind of agree that something in orbit gets a free pass..... but we do have folks who track all those things up there so we know who's got some hardware in our airspace. The biggest issue I would think would be getting it through the security check points because it's still a federally regulated substance. So, according to the feds, you can't have it anywhere, but the current administration is turning a blind eye to the states which permit it. However, people have been smuggling it for decades. The cop on the ground isn't going to know or really care that you're flying over his state with weed..... however, what would happen if the plane had to make an emergency landing in one of those flyover states ( engine issues, smoke in the cabin, some fool gets drunk and acts up, medical emergency, or some other idiot calls in a bomb threat on board the plane) and everyone on board had to be rescreened in one of "those" states? The way your luck tends to run..... you'd be standing in the line, and there would be a K9 officer walking Jax the drug dog down the line.....and he would come to you.... take one sniff, and sit. Possession of a prohibited schedule 1 narcotic, intent to sell, manufacture, distribute, etc, etc, etc....... Yeah..... I'd just carry some money or a credit card and buy some at the destination.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/15 09:58:38
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/08/15 16:12:11
Jax at home reading this coffee house thread while doing his online research about people that fly State to State with a small stash of personal weed . Jax on the job at the airport waiting to give you a very special greeting if your dirty when you hit his town. One things for sure . Jax ain't stupid .. He knows that some of the best weed too be found in the whole US can be found locally grown in WA State Kenny
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/15 10:02:48
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We have a situation in Colorado where real expensive mountain homes line very productive trout rivers. The people who live in these home own the land under the river so it's trespassing to wade and fly fish there but you can float your boat and fly fish just fine as they don't lay claim to the water. And it other water news, as of last week we can now collect rain water legally for the first time...................
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/15 13:29:51
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I used to work for a Fortune 500 company that was required to do random drug testing because of its government contracts. Oddly, over the entire 10 years I was there the engineering department was not once subjected to the policy. I think they knew that if all the pot-smokers departed, there'd literally be no engineering department left.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
2016/08/15 14:16:28
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kennywtelejazz
 One things for sure . Jax ain't stupid .. Kenny
Not stupid. But I expect he is soon to be deaf, unlike his handler who has OSHA to protect his hearing in the high noise areas of the airport. This dog can kiss his future as a mixing engineer goodbye.
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Re: Altitude-based Law
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A buddy of mine... Wolf.... was a machinist and had a job offering for a really decent job at a superb salary.... one catch.... you had to pass the initial drug screening.... He admitted to the person hiring him he smoked weed and there was no way he would pass. They agreed to let him have 30 days grace period to let the THC clear out of his system, take the test, pass, get hired and never have to test again. Wolf loved smoking weed too much... I think he made it all of one week.... This is Jerry "Wolf" Arnold..... he passed away from cancer several years back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmLXESjGWs His test was scheduled for a few days after one of the Beano Bluegrass festivals..... and needless to say.... he failed to get the job.
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