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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/09 13:55:45 (permalink)
Hardware sound modules any good?  The EMU and Alesis Nano Piano usually go pretty cheap but I don't know what the sound quality is like.

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/09 14:00:04 (permalink)
Not really Andy, I'm trying to keep it in the box.

I've heard of the Nano but it's along time ago now.

I've started investigating the Tascam CV but it seems to be causing ASIO problems for some reason?
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/09 14:01:02 (permalink)
OK, apology accepted, and sorry for being a bit snarky myself...

I'm afraid, mind you, that posting on an open forum like this is not your best defense against advice that might not be 100% checked out... plus, I maintain that there's a whole lot of value in that Komplete Players package no matter what kind of music or setup you work with, even if it can't be your piano solution.

Anyway for what it's worth I think you'd be crazy to buy a second-hand Kontakt 2 (it's two major versions old now) in order to get a piano going as opposed to going with the SampleTank Free / Pianos Collection option for $35. SampleTank is 'another workstation', yes, but you don't actually have to install or even download the library (it's mostly teasers from the premium libraries anyway, albeit decent ones). You could ONLY install the Pianos Collection and use the ST engine ONLY for piano sounds if that's what floats your boat. 

Again, there's some nice stuff in there for the money, and the free player will play any compatible library you put in its folder, it has no weird licensing issues à la Kontakt Player.

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/09 19:46:46 (permalink)
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  I maintain that there's a whole lot of value in that Komplete Players package no matter what kind of music or setup you work with, even if it can't be your piano solution.

I agree, as I said, I started making a new song with it straight away once all the hassle was out of the way. They are quality freebies.

I've thought about pianos more in the last two weeks than in my entire genetic evolution, and there's some conclusions I've come to from all the advice I've had here:

1. A nice digital piano sounds really good, I mean, if it was edible, you could live off it.

2. The MDA piano I've been using is an amazing freebie that will give you all the help you need to make songs, but unless it's part of a dense mix......

3. I am going to have to plan a route because a good piano is going to cost me quite a bit more than I had hoped - I didn't know this because I didn't really know what a good one sounded like.

So I've had to change my view of getting a quick, cheap piano fix, and I know I'm going to have to gravitate towards a kontakt 4 full version by starting with the free version and some piano sounds that work with it. There is apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) only one that works with the free version:

http://www.tonehammer.com/?p=3575

This will do me for a lot of the stuff I'm creating, and it will do it to a quality standard; although, I think the Art Vista would be preferable, but that means a full K4 from the word go and even more £££'s and $$$'s. Fairyland. I've just written to Tonehammer to make sure it will not be a 15 minute demo.

I found out that k2 doesn't support Windows 7 so that's that out of the way.

So thanks again for all the input, it has made a big difference - just not in the way I hoped it would.




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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/09 20:12:29 (permalink)
That sounds like a pretty realistic look at things from where I stand. Working towards a full Kontakt license when funds allow is a good aim to have over the long term. Again, if your ship comes in, or even a medium-sized boat, I highly recommend the full Komplete setup - although it's a bit overwhelming and I don't know how much you're into the more experimental stuff that's in there (I love it - Absynth and strange Reaktor things get used a lot around here). But the Kontakt full version and library are vast and powerful indeed. 

I'd forgotten about that Tonehammer one, I associate them with more esoteric things somehow and forgot they'd done a piano. I don't have it but I have a number of their other things and they do great work, no doubt, and the demos do sound lovely (it helps that Troels is a first-rate film composer). They're a solid company too and I've never had any trouble with their stuff. It looks like they do advertise full K4player compatibility, so you should be good to go there. 


The NI singles are a bit cheaper than that ($99 each I think?) and they also work with the K4 player (you could write them to verify this, but I'm 99% sure of it as that's their business model and, well, they own the licensing platform). There are three concert grands in the lineup: New York (Steinway), Berlin (Bechstein) and Vienna (Boesendorfer). They are recorded very clean. Just to give you another and slightly cheaper option...

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/10 19:27:36 (permalink)
I had a few breaks between installations to listen to the NI singles; very interesting. The New York stood out for me; as a contrast to the Tonehammer, there's a lot of versatility there and certainly no problems with getting lost in a mix.

I followed some comments about the "emotional piano" being lost in a mix, which put me off a bit when I first read it, but then I decided that the piano was being put into a particular kind of mix, and not that the mix had been made around the piano, or even with that piano in mind. In that instance, I'm sure the NY would have come out pretty well.

I'll have to see what the next few days does.

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/10 20:06:44 (permalink)
Bitflipper mentioned Alicia's Keys (Native Instruments) which fits my preference and playing style, and is in my opinion quite good. It was sampled by NI on Alicia Keys Yamaha C3 grand piano. A lot went into it....  It sounds a bit darker and soft than some, which is exactly what I prefer. It depends on your preference. Only $100 at Guitar Center... it is however, only one sampled piano, others usually give you several pianos to choose from, providing more variety... 

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/11 04:08:09 (permalink)
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I had a few breaks between installations to listen to the NI singles; very interesting. The New York stood out for me; as a contrast to the Tonehammer, there's a lot of versatility there and certainly no problems with getting lost in a mix... 
Yeah they are all really clean, which allows you to color them or saturate them to your preference rather than working around whatever room sound and other resonances are already there in a 'wetter' sample set, which might have a richer sound out of the box but be more challenging to work with in a mix. 


NY is my favorite of the bunch by a nose (I'm a Steinway man for the most part, though Blüthners have a very special place in my heart as well) and is probably the most versatile of the bunch. Some people are Bösendorfer freaks, and the Vienna is maybe a better choice if pop is really your bag, but for me the NY is the all-rounder and really enjoyable to play. 


It should be noted that you have a decent amount of control of resonance, key noise etc, and a choice of convolution verbs, so it's not really a one-trick pony. 

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/11 06:15:55 (permalink)
I'll have a look again later when I've got everything up and running.
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/11 07:21:35 (permalink)
It's worth downloading the manual if you're interested, so as to see what the interface looks like and so on...
http://www.native-instrum...ncert_Grand_Manual.zip

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/11 12:54:46 (permalink)
Al things considered, I would put the Emotional Piano top, New York next.

On song for Ori - Alicias's demo - if you turn it up, I found it too peaky for my liking - still far better that what I've got of course.

I'm still not 100% though so I'll hang on while I'm setting up.

Thanks again all.

I forgot to ask to: What are you using Andy?
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/13 16:00:55 (permalink)
Well, NI got lucky there:

I went to download Emotional Piano and they've got either a PayPal or Google payment system, after all the last few days of registrations and stuff I'm sick of it, and there's no way I could go through another new lot yet. I felt so bad about it, I wrote to Mike Peaslee telling him I would come back for it in the future.

So the New York Grand it is then, it's downloading now. ( The 69 Euros included VAT.)

Phew, that took some getting there!

If I include the dreaded installation and registration process, I should get to have a play at about 01:30.  :-/


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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/14 13:49:16 (permalink)
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If I include the dreaded installation and registration process, I should get to have a play at about 01:30.  :-/


Not much chance of that: My broadband provider sent me a message telling me I was approaching my limit so I had to pause the download and wait til after midnight to carry on. It was about 3 or 4 when I got it done.

The end result, is that today, I do in fact have my first decent piano playing through the free kontakt 4 player!

Thanks very much to everyone for their help.  :)
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/14 14:49:01 (permalink)
Why does this thread keep showing up as new event though there are no new posts?
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/14 20:36:19 (permalink)
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Why does this thread keep showing up as new event though there are no new posts?


It's just me giving a couple of updates and some thanks after getting my piano. 

Hey, you look somehow happier than when I last saw you - well, unless that's your brother and sister?

Damn, back to the top of that list again!
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/14 23:06:39 (permalink)
I use NI's Akoustic piano as included in Komplete 5 because my proper piano sounds rubbish.

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/15 08:08:27 (permalink)
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....because my proper piano sounds rubbish.

Now that's proper British.

I think this thread just reached it's proper conclusion: IE, happy endings and new beginnings.


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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/15 13:05:42 (permalink)
edjay, That is me and my wife.  I am the one on the right.
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/15 15:21:06 (permalink)
May your piano's be many and may the fifths be with you!

I hope this thread's not costing CW $$$'s?
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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/15 18:10:49 (permalink)
Hey, glad to hear you've reached a resolution, and I sincerely hope you're happy and productive with the NI NY... feel free to post a link to something you've made with it, would be interesting to hear after all the fun here!

As for me, I just got back from playing a gala event for 2500+ people (big circus-based show with some amazing artists and a great band, super fun but exhausting) on a Roland RD700 and I have to say I'm looking forward to playing my own lovely baby grand for a bit tomorrow to reconnect with reality. 

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/15 18:58:05 (permalink)
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....hope you're happy and productive with the NI NY... feel free to post a link to something you've made with it

It's a lovely sound, I'm really happy with it. It certainly won't be getting any virtuoso playing from me, but it has enough quality to go all the way to finished songs. I'm still getting my head round the kontakt 4 and X1 of course but things are progressing at a good old rate. I think it will be a year before I put anything up on the net; but that's not long with the way time's going at the moment.  :)

Your gigs sound like Cirque de Soleil?

All the best.  :)

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/16 04:03:55 (permalink)
Cool, glad you're satisfied! (since I was endorsing that one...)

Yeah the company that did this event, which I used to work for regularly, used to be affiliated with (actually, half-owned by) CDS. I worked for them at that time, so I have indeed been a Cirque employee. It's a wacky world to work in, though it helps if you're someone that thrives at least a little bit on chaos. The brief from a musical perspective is basically to be able to play or at least fake it well in nearly any style imaginable, do it on command and on the fly, switching between them more or less instantaneously, staying constantly alert for split-second cues, and do it all with nowhere close to enough rehearsal. It's kind of the musical equivalent of a high-wire act. I'm not particularly virtuosic at any one particular style myself, but I seem to have become fairly good at navigating this kind of situation over the years...

Anyway, again, have fun with your new shed full of tools!

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/05/16 07:54:08 (permalink)
Nothing further to add just wanted to get my 100th post in a nice big thread

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Re:Amber Piano in x1 Essentials 2011/06/02 14:25:25 (permalink)
Allz coolz; I think I'll pass on the anniversary card Andy.  :)

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