Desertdrone
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Amd Sonar workstation ?
Hi all I finally decided to upgrade my from old dell precision workstation to my own custom built pc. I have a asus desktop amd which been using for gaming and everyday stuff,
The motherboard i'm looking at is a ASUS A88X-PRO FM2 the processor I plan to use AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz
I did decide to add a couple of ssd drives one for my main os . the second wll have sonar . soundforge reason and ableton
should I get a third to run Komplete buy itself other drives of course I would just move my libraries and samples too.
In my new dream studio would love to be able to have 3 monitors suggestions will be welcome my current Interfaces have been 2 maudio delta 1010's which i love as well as using a maudio octane preamp along with a roland vm 3100pro mostly work on Electronic , Ambient type music as well as messing around with Sound Design
The Power supply I'm looking is a corsair 850hx pro series modular, my main question is 850 enough ? or would that be to much
Thanks
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/10 21:47:36
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I'm running a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Dual UEFI Bios with an FX-8300 unlocked 3.3 ghz, 16 gb ram and two 128 SSD's a 1 TB in the case for instruments. It's a rocket....I'm into the Windows Login Screen in 5 seconds from a full boot. My next upgrade is to the 8350....
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Desertdrone
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/10 21:54:24
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Cool, system. What Size power supply Do you have in your system ?
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 00:34:50
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I run a pretty large system - 6 hard drives, 32 GB memory, liquid cooling, primary drive is a 256 GB SSD - just picked it up from Microcenter.com for $99 - which I think is a really good deal.
Anyways, I have used both AMD and Intel based systems, and both are up to the task of running Sonar. I think Intel has a bit of a performance edge, but the AMD systems give you great bang for the buck, and work well too.
You were inquiring about power supplies - I happen to run a 1000 watt power supply, just so it will never really be an issue (always have plenty of power thus far with this one).
Good luck - it's a lot of fun (to me) to go through building a new system, and getting it loaded up and having it all work.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/11 09:22:13
Desertdrone
Hi all I finally decided to upgrade my from old dell precision workstation to my own custom built pc. I have a asus desktop amd which been using for gaming and everyday stuff,
The motherboard i'm looking at is a ASUS A88X-PRO FM2 the processor I plan to use AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz
I would recommend against AMD in general for high performance systems. Unfortunately these days their performance is not competitive with Intel's, and their power usage is pretty heavy. That CPU you are looking at competes with Intel's i5 series performance wise, but has a heat dissipation near their Haswell-E series. That said, it'll still be plenty, unless you go nuts on the effects you don't need a ton of power by today's standards for DAWs. Digital audio has become "easy" for computers. Just saying when it is my money for a computer, I get Intel CPUs because they have more performance per clock and use less power. I did decide to add a couple of ssd drives one for my main os . the second wll have sonar . soundforge reason and ableton
should I get a third to run Komplete buy itself other drives of course I would just move my libraries and samples too.
No reason to separate OS and apps. Get one SSD and stick your OS and your applications on there. Get a second one for samples. Your OS drive has very little access once Windows has booted, so running apps off of it works great. The Power supply I'm looking is a corsair 850hx pro series modular, my main question is 850 enough ? or would that be to much
More than enough for the system as stated. Unless you run dual gaming GPUs, you do not need that much. However, I'm a fan of overspec'd PSUs so that is a fine choice. For your system as specified you'd be looking at a peak load of somewhere in the realm of 300 watts, presuming you choose a mid range GPU. If you go for a higher end GPU then you are talking 400-450 probably in which case an 800ish power supply is optimal (PSUs are most efficient at half their rated load). Personally, I'd recommend Seasonic power supplies rather than Corsair. Corsairs are nice, but I've come to like Seasonic PSUs more. Their X series would be the rough equivalent to that Corsair HX. If you wanted something a bit better their Platinum series are what I like. Slightly more efficient and slightly quieter. In no way necessary, but nice. They make both ranging from 600-1200 watts so you've a range of choices.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 06:47:04
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Desertdrone
Cool, system. What Size power supply Do you have in your system ?
I have a 550 Watt Power Supply...and it's been just fine....
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 06:55:33
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Seriously, the performance "increase" compared to price
is negligent....AMD is far more "bang for the buck".
Obviously Intel guys will always chant "Intel"! But I've
used both and, to me, Intel is far overpriced.
Their performance increase is primarily due to the fact that
most program code is optimized for the Intel platform, not that
the processor is "faster" or has better performance.
AMD is also the first to have a 5 Ghz processor.
I have nothing against Intel. I just think that, bang for buck,
AMD kicks them square in the teeth.
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Desertdrone
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 13:02:06
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Desertdrone
Hi all I finally decided to upgrade my from old dell precision workstation to my own custom built pc. I have a asus desktop amd which been using for gaming and everyday stuff,
The motherboard i'm looking at is a ASUS A88X-PRO FM2 the processor I plan to use AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz
I would recommend against AMD in general for high performance systems. Unfortunately these days their performance is not competitive with Intel's, and their power usage is pretty heavy. That CPU you are looking at competes with Intel's i5 series performance wise, but has a heat dissipation near their Haswell-E series.
That said, it'll still be plenty, unless you go nuts on the effects you don't need a ton of power by today's standards for DAWs. Digital audio has become "easy" for computers. Just saying when it is my money for a computer, I get Intel CPUs because they have more performance per clock and use less power.
I did decide to add a couple of ssd drives one for my main os . the second wll have sonar . soundforge reason and ableton
should I get a third to run Komplete buy itself other drives of course I would just move my libraries and samples too.
No reason to separate OS and apps. Get one SSD and stick your OS and your applications on there. Get a second one for samples. Your OS drive has very little access once Windows has booted, so running apps off of it works great.
The Power supply I'm looking is a corsair 850hx pro series modular, my main question is 850 enough ? or would that be to much
More than enough for the system as stated. Unless you run dual gaming GPUs, you do not need that much. However, I'm a fan of overspec'd PSUs so that is a fine choice. For your system as specified you'd be looking at a peak load of somewhere in the realm of 300 watts, presuming you choose a mid range GPU. If you go for a higher end GPU then you are talking 400-450 probably in which case an 800ish power supply is optimal (PSUs are most efficient at half their rated load).
Personally, I'd recommend Seasonic power supplies rather than Corsair. Corsairs are nice, but I've come to like Seasonic PSUs more. Their X series would be the rough equivalent to that Corsair HX. If you wanted something a bit better their Platinum series are what I like. Slightly more efficient and slightly quieter. In no way necessary, but nice. They make both ranging from 600-1200 watts so you've a range of choices.
Thanks for the info, Not trying to start a intel vs amd battle I have nothing against intel just more cost based for me right now , will check out those power supplies I do have some vst effects that i use but alot of my effects are running from external sound modules.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 13:05:36
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cclarry
Desertdrone
Cool, system. What Size power supply Do you have in your system ?
I have a 550 Watt Power Supply...and it's been just fine....
Thanks for the info guess I needed some encouragement Yeah nothing against intel I was looking at i5 but always seemed to have more experience with amd on my asus desktop neever had a issue so it works for me
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 13:10:08
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Will post update when I start and finish the build:)
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/11 15:09:35
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Desertdrone
Thanks for the info, Not trying to start a intel vs amd battle I have nothing against intel just more cost based for me right now , will check out those power supplies
I do have some vst effects that i use but alot of my effects are running from external sound modules.
Me either, just offering my advice. I don't dislike AMD, I just find their current offerings to be lacking, so I recommend Intel. As with any of my recommendations it is just what I would do (and did do) with my money, not The One True Way(tm). As I said, any quad core CPU these days tends to be way more than enough for all but the most extreme studio work, so it is not like you won't be happy with the performance.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/12 02:58:59
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Don't start this build !!! A FX 8350 (Socket AM3+) doesn't fit in a FM2+ board.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/12 12:41:13
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Don't start this build !!! A FX 8350 (Socket AM3+) doesn't fit in a FM2+ board.
Cool Thanks I didn't buy a motherboard yet Thanks for the alert :)
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Desertdrone
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/12 12:42:09
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I guess I wiil look at the am3+ motherboards
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/13 18:56:51
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Desertdrone
I guess I wiil look at the am3+ motherboards
Yes, always make sure the motherboard you purchase is compatible with the processor, and that it's CPU Wattage will match the processor...my FX-8300 is a 95 watt processor, but the FX-8350 is a 125 watt processor. These are very important considerations. Also, if you plan on overclocking, make sure you upgrade the CPU cooler and Case fans. (I don't overclock...I don't see the point of "stretching the rating" to void the warranty)
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/16 03:03:46
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The Motherboard I Ordered this weekend so just have I decided on the ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 which is a am3+ motherboard.
Don't plan to do a lot of overclocking I do plan to get a liquid cpu cooler though.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/16 06:39:52
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Desertdrone
The Motherboard I Ordered this weekend so just have I decided on the ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 which is a am3+ motherboard.
Don't plan to do a lot of overclocking I do plan to get a liquid cpu cooler though.
That's a nice board. I'd have bought that one if I could have afforded it. One of the advantages of the one I bought is that it has Firewire. Even though Firewire is on it's way out, some of the better interfaces are Firewire. And it has 8 USB 2.0, 4 USB 3.0, and 2 eSata ports. That's a lot of connections. I got it for $100...for a 990 board that's dirt cheap... I still would have liked to have had the Sabertooth though... My system maintains about a 35 degree C temp....so that's pretty impressive for only having the stock cooler on the CPU...
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/16 13:28:56
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The only thing I noticed about the board it only seems to have one regular pci , my main interfaces have been 2 detla 1010's I may have to finally move on I been having my eye on the focusrite interfaces will see :)
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/16 13:41:57
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I just build a new DAW and I used a 750 Watt Coolmaster PS, I had weird issues from day one with Blues screens on boot up. After only one month the PS died. 30 minutes before a client was coming over!!!
I had a 165 Watt no name brand PS sitting there and I quickly swapped it over.
I ran the whole session for 4 hours hoping it would not also die. It didn't.
I used it for a week and not only did it work,,, my random blue screens are now gone.
I replaced the 165 watt with a Sparkle 450 Watt from a local tech. They said that's the only brand they have used in the last 15 years without issue.
They also said 750W was way overkill for my system. That's why the 165 watt had no problem. She said modern hardware is way more energy efficient and the days of huge power supplies are in the past unless your a gamer. She said a 350W would be a good match up and so to pacify my old school thinking sold me the 450W.
Anyhow, my home built machine is running top notch now so while Power supplies are important, it's the quality, not the quantity that counts.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/16 20:17:26
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Desertdrone
The only thing I noticed about the board it only seems to have one regular pci , my main interfaces have been 2 detla 1010's I may have to finally move on I been having my eye on the focusrite interfaces will see :)
That was another reason I bought the Gigabyte board...it has 2 PCI x16, 2 PCI x4, and 2 PCI-E... It's performed very well so far...I'm quite pleased. The "Stock" board that came with the kit was a Gigabyte GA-78 POC...it worked...no USB 3, no nothing really, but it did work...LOL I finally made the move up so that when I do upgrade the processor I'll be ready for it...
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/02/21 02:37:56
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Hi
Ok I decided to let go of maudio delta 1010's , I'm going to upgrade to a Motu 424 pci card using a 2408 to start with but will build my Motu sytem overtime but cakewalk will still be my main daw. Also I do have a Edirol UA 1000 usb interface which I also plan to utilize again :)
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 16:59:44
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Hmmm. The average US national price for a Kilowatt-hour (kwh) is 9.84 cents. If you pay $200 more for an Intel chip, you would have to save 2032 kwh to break even, or save 2,032,000 watt-hours. If an AMD chip draws 50 more watts of power than the Intel, you'd have to run your AMD cpu full-tilt for 40,640 hrs, or 1693 days, or 4.6 years, never turning it off 24/7. At that point, the cost of the AMD cpu would be equal to the cost of the more expensive (but less power draw) Intel chip. In real world DAW usage, I'm guessing that would be more like 20+ years. No matter what you have in your current machine, its value in 20 years will be a flat zero.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 17:45:29
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Desertdrone
Don't plan to do a lot of overclocking.
Very.... good idea!
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 18:33:35
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If you don't plan to over-clock, liquid-cooling is not necessary.
A quality air-cooler will be quieter.
(With water-cooling, you've got fan/s and the pump)
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 18:44:11
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Over-clocking is fine... as long as you know what you're doing, you've spec'd the machine to allow robust/stable OC, and you're not trying to push it too far. You can stress-test to be sure the OC is rock-solid. If you're not tech-savvy, I wouldn't recommend over-clocking. It's a delicate balance of: - desired performance
- heat
- noise
If you were running an Intel 4790k, turbo-boost speed is 4.4GHz. With the right motherboard, you can lock the CPU at that speed (no throttling). In this scenario, over-clocking just isn't necessary... as the 4790k at 4.4GHz is *fast*. Another great thing about the 4790k is that is runs pretty cool. Use a quality 3rd-party air-cooler... and it's extremely quiet.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 20:31:47
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cclarry
Seriously, the performance "increase" compared to price
is negligent....AMD is far more "bang for the buck".
Obviously Intel guys will always chant "Intel"! But I've
used both and, to me, Intel is far overpriced.
Their performance increase is primarily due to the fact that
most program code is optimized for the Intel platform, not that
the processor is "faster" or has better performance.
AMD is also the first to have a 5 Ghz processor.
I have nothing against Intel. I just think that, bang for buck,
AMD kicks them square in the teeth.
I think that would depend on what AMD CPU. FX6300 - 95 Watt up to 4ghz = bang for the buck. FX 8250 (?) 3.2 Ghz clocks up to 4 = bang for the buck. Those 240 Watt AMD behemoths = Intel is the bang for the buck. I've moved up to these new boards and you can set the multiplier if you want. Some will ramp it up for necessary activities if you don't want to lock it in the bios. My Intel i7 4790 with turbo boost will go from 3.6 to 4.0 if necessary. I never understood buying a processor for a DAW and overclocking it. Most people overclock for bragging rights.
post edited by kitekrazy1 - 2015/09/16 20:42:15
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 20:38:51
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Hmmm. The average US national price for a Kilowatt-hour (kwh) is 9.84 cents. If you pay $200 more for an Intel chip, you would have to save 2032 kwh to break even, or save 2,032,000 watt-hours. If an AMD chip draws 50 more watts of power than the Intel, you'd have to run your AMD cpu full-tilt for 40,640 hrs, or 1693 days, or 4.6 years, never turning it off 24/7. At that point, the cost of the AMD cpu would be equal to the cost of the more expensive (but less power draw) Intel chip. In real world DAW usage, I'm guessing that would be more like 20+ years. No matter what you have in your current machine, its value in 20 years will be a flat zero.
My head hurt reading that. I'm glad you got all of the numbers down on that. I've went to lower watt hardware despite having a 750W psu. I run 4 drives in my machines. My latest build I was going to go with an 8350FX. Instead I went with a i7 and a Geforce 750ti. I think the 750ti uses like 63 watts idle. If you are one who likes to have a gamers card in your system check the watts. There's plenty of glutton video cars out there.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 20:44:27
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Desertdrone
Hi all I finally decided to upgrade my from old dell precision workstation to my own custom built pc. I have a asus desktop amd which been using for gaming and everyday stuff,
The motherboard i'm looking at is a ASUS A88X-PRO FM2 the processor I plan to use AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz
I did decide to add a couple of ssd drives one for my main os . the second wll have sonar . soundforge reason and ableton
should I get a third to run Komplete buy itself other drives of course I would just move my libraries and samples too.
In my new dream studio would love to be able to have 3 monitors suggestions will be welcome my current Interfaces have been 2 maudio delta 1010's which i love as well as using a maudio octane preamp along with a roland vm 3100pro mostly work on Electronic , Ambient type music as well as messing around with Sound Design
The Power supply I'm looking is a corsair 850hx pro series modular, my main question is 850 enough ? or would that be to much
Thanks
Cakewalk For life :)
I don't think that processor will work on that board. It's an FM2 board, an 8350 is AM3+.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/16 21:02:37
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Sycraft
Desertdrone
Hi all I finally decided to upgrade my from old dell precision workstation to my own custom built pc. I have a asus desktop amd which been using for gaming and everyday stuff,
The motherboard i'm looking at is a ASUS A88X-PRO FM2 the processor I plan to use AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz
I would recommend against AMD in general for high performance systems. Unfortunately these days their performance is not competitive with Intel's, and their power usage is pretty heavy. That CPU you are looking at competes with Intel's i5 series performance wise, but has a heat dissipation near their Haswell-E series.
That said, it'll still be plenty, unless you go nuts on the effects you don't need a ton of power by today's standards for DAWs. Digital audio has become "easy" for computers. Just saying when it is my money for a computer, I get Intel CPUs because they have more performance per clock and use less power.
I did decide to add a couple of ssd drives one for my main os . the second wll have sonar . soundforge reason and ableton
should I get a third to run Komplete buy itself other drives of course I would just move my libraries and samples too.
No reason to separate OS and apps. Get one SSD and stick your OS and your applications on there. Get a second one for samples. Your OS drive has very little access once Windows has booted, so running apps off of it works great.
The Power supply I'm looking is a corsair 850hx pro series modular, my main question is 850 enough ? or would that be to much
More than enough for the system as stated. Unless you run dual gaming GPUs, you do not need that much. However, I'm a fan of overspec'd PSUs so that is a fine choice. For your system as specified you'd be looking at a peak load of somewhere in the realm of 300 watts, presuming you choose a mid range GPU. If you go for a higher end GPU then you are talking 400-450 probably in which case an 800ish power supply is optimal (PSUs are most efficient at half their rated load).
Personally, I'd recommend Seasonic power supplies rather than Corsair. Corsairs are nice, but I've come to like Seasonic PSUs more. Their X series would be the rough equivalent to that Corsair HX. If you wanted something a bit better their Platinum series are what I like. Slightly more efficient and slightly quieter. In no way necessary, but nice. They make both ranging from 600-1200 watts so you've a range of choices.
I don't understand what you are saying but most software is far from less resource intensive especially soft synths.
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Re: Amd Sonar workstation ?
2015/09/17 09:38:15
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Seriously, the performance "increase" compared to price
is negligent....AMD is far more "bang for the buck".
Obviously Intel guys will always chant "Intel"! But I've
used both and, to me, Intel is far overpriced.
I don't consider myself an "Intel guy" In the past, I've used many Athon CPUs for both myself and clients Right now, Intel is making the faster CPU (DSP processing power)... so that's what I'm using. The i7-4790k is a <$300 CPU that can be locked at 4.4GHz. With a quality air-cooler, it's both extremely fast... and extremely quiet. Add to this you have Intel USB3 and Intel SATA-III integrated into the motherboard chipset. Better compatibility on the USB3 side... and better performance with SSDs The 4790k offers great bang-for-the-buck. As a point of reference, the 4790k costs half of what I paid for PII and original Athlon CPUs. If/when AMD leap-frogs Intel, I will happily run AMD.
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