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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 11:18:58 (permalink)
I am glad you had a better experience than I. I received an e-mail from IK Media about Riffworks, sorry about the misinformation.

I still think Guitar Rig is better . I don't use the footswitch, but I am impressed with what I have seen so far.
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 18:42:59 (permalink)
riffworks was originally pushed by line 6

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 19:27:32 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: stratcat

And on the 335, I love them!! But if you can get past the whole mystique of it being a Gibson, you should try the high-end Yamaha version - the SA2000, 2100 or 2200. I had an SA2000 years ago and always regretted selling it. Recently I picked up an SA2100 and it is the sweetest "gibson" type guitar I've ever played. Yamaha's high end guitars are as good as anything out there IMHO..


Off topic reply to Stratcat:

Hi, Stratcat,

I certainly agree with you that there are some very good alterntives to the Gibson 335's. Heck, I played a $400 Epiphone Dot that, dollar-to-dollar was a pretty impressive copy of the 335. But I'm really curious to know more about the Yamaha SA2000/SA2100. I have tried many times to find one in a music store to no avail. Would love to try one out, as I've always thought that the Yamaha guitar products are quite good. Unfortunately, the closest city to where I live is Reno, Nevada and none of the stores in Reno stock the high end Yamaha's. May have to bite the bullet one of these days and drive the 3 hours to Sacramento to see if I can find a 2100 to check out.

Bill
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 19:29:55 (permalink)
make sure you try nomad rock amp legends. it was released before they got their "good as waves" rep, but is very very good - uses convolution and maintains more of your pick attack.
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 20:16:43 (permalink)

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make sure you try nomad rock amp legends. it was released before they got their "good as waves" rep, but is very very good - uses convolution and maintains more of your pick attack.


+1.......and is very simple to tweak.
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 21:35:13 (permalink)
I havent even tried my Amplitubes yet, i always use my PODXT, but after reading
all of this ill have to give it a shot

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 22:03:37 (permalink)
I compleatly agree with Cromberger, I run a Road King 2 with a marshal 4x12 and an old fender Super reverb(the amp was actualy used for a buddys set up so I only have the cabinet and speakers) 4x10. Even with the 4x10 setup I still have a dificult time getting that fender pristine sound out of my Road King II. So I plug straight into my sound card with an over drive pedal(just for a little added volume and bingo I have total control over my sound, through the revalvalizer in the mix and bamb I got my old Super reverb back :) it sounds nearly perfect except for the missing amp noise. Also I will go directly from my road king effects out spit to my peavy tube amp(1x12) and my sound card, sit right next to the amp and presto, feadback, resonation, just like your pushing your amp to the max and the added benefit of the effects plugins.

I do realy like the pod for the effects and modaling, but the preamp distortions sound a bit fuzzy to me with little to no character.
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/29 23:12:00 (permalink)
While in a friend's studio who is a guitarist, he had Guitar Rig inserted in Sonar 6 via the FX bin.

He was recording his guitar tracks on audio tracks with just a clean sound, then he would later tweak the different parameters of GR with the tracks looping until he got the sounds he wanted.

But because GR was simply processing the initial clean guitar sound, the final GR output still had a tinge of the clean guitar sound.

Is there a way to hear just the "processed" GR output of the guitar tracks?
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/30 04:24:25 (permalink)
After reading the thread I decided to download Revalver MkII and I think I'm going to buy it.

I spent all last night playing about with it in Sonar and it sounded really good.
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/30 08:46:27 (permalink)

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Is there a way to hear just the "processed" GR output of the guitar tracks?


Short answer is yes. When GR2 is in the FX bin, you can use it like any other effect that doesn't mix the wet and dry signals (or that allows you to have 100% wet and 0% dry).

My guess is that your friend has things set up where the guitar is being monitored before it gets to the FX bin. You know... like some sound cards have a 'Record Without Monitoring' setting that should be disabled.
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/30 09:12:25 (permalink)

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And on the 335, I love them!! But if you can get past the whole mystique of it being a Gibson, you should try the high-end Yamaha version - the SA2000, 2100 or 2200. I had an SA2000 years ago and always regretted selling it. Recently I picked up an SA2100 and it is the sweetest "gibson" type guitar I've ever played. Yamaha's high end guitars are as good as anything out there IMHO..


Off topic reply to Stratcat:

Hi, Stratcat,

I certainly agree with you that there are some very good alterntives to the Gibson 335's. Heck, I played a $400 Epiphone Dot that, dollar-to-dollar was a pretty impressive copy of the 335. But I'm really curious to know more about the Yamaha SA2000/SA2100. I have tried many times to find one in a music store to no avail. Would love to try one out, as I've always thought that the Yamaha guitar products are quite good. Unfortunately, the closest city to where I live is Reno, Nevada and none of the stores in Reno stock the high end Yamaha's. May have to bite the bullet one of these days and drive the 3 hours to Sacramento to see if I can find a 2100 to check out.

Bill


Yamaha's high end models are so consistent. If you read up on them, you'll find the craftsmanship is impecible and attention to detail is top priority for their builders. Read the reviews on Harmony Central for all of the SA models. The newest model is the 2200.
http://www.music123.com/Yamaha-SA2200-Semi-Hollowbody-Electric-Guitar-Violin-Sunburst-i54777.music

I bought my SA2100 on Ebay. You'll find the SA's go anywhere from around $600-1200 depending on the model and condition. I paid $1000 for my 2100 and it's near mint. Wine with gold hardware - simply gorgeous and plays like butter. The 2000, 2100 and 2200 are more like 355s with block inlays and fancier headstock. The 800, 1000, 1100 are more like a dot neck 335. All great guitars.

I just did a Google on Yamaha SA2100 and found this discussion group - http://www.yamahatalk.com/message-board-forum/forum-5.html

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/31 03:11:05 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: vicsant

Is there a way to hear just the "processed" GR output of the guitar tracks?


Short answer is yes. When GR2 is in the FX bin, you can use it like any other effect that doesn't mix the wet and dry signals (or that allows you to have 100% wet and 0% dry).

My guess is that your friend has things set up where the guitar is being monitored before it gets to the FX bin. You know... like some sound cards have a 'Record Without Monitoring' setting that should be disabled.


Thanks for the tip. So the trick is to set the GR2 effect to 100% wet?
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/31 03:13:45 (permalink)

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Yamaha's high end models are so consistent. If you read up on them, you'll find the craftsmanship is impecible and attention to detail is top priority for their builders. Read the reviews on Harmony Central for all of the SA models. The newest model is the 2200.
http://www.music123.com/Yamaha-SA2200-Semi-Hollowbody-Electric-Guitar-Violin-Sunburst-i54777.music

I bought my SA2100 on Ebay. You'll find the SA's go anywhere from around $600-1200 depending on the model and condition. I paid $1000 for my 2100 and it's near mint. Wine with gold hardware - simply gorgeous and plays like butter. The 2000, 2100 and 2200 are more like 355s with block inlays and fancier headstock. The 800, 1000, 1100 are more like a dot neck 335. All great guitars.

I just did a Google on Yamaha SA2100 and found this discussion group - http://www.yamahatalk.com/message-board-forum/forum-5.html


Stratcat,

Thanks for the info. Right after I read your last post I visited the Yamaha web site and checked out the SA2200. Now I'm itching to check one out in person...... Didn't see anything about the 800, 1000, or 1100 but, of course, I wasn't looking for those models so I may have just missed them.

I was surpised to see that the fingerboard radius on the 2200 is listed as 12-1/2". I do like a radius in the 12" range but due to some medical issues in my hands, I have a hard time with a board that flat. Still, depending on how thin/fat the neck is, I can play a 12". How would you describe the neck shape of your 2100? Baseball bat, toothpick, or ???.

Thanks again for the links and info.

Bill


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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/31 10:42:14 (permalink)
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So the trick is to set the GR2 effect to 100% wet?


Not really. There isn't a wet/dry control on the GR2. I'm thinking maybe your friend has his sound card set up in a way that you hear the clean signal separate, and in addition to, everything that's going on in SONAR.

He could check the card's control panel if it has one, or the Windows audio control (often an 'Advanced' button in the 'Recording' properties) and snoop around for something like "Record Without Monitoring". Make sure that's selected.

HTH
post edited by JohnrC - 2007/03/31 10:45:36
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/31 12:12:41 (permalink)

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I havent even tried my Amplitubes yet, i always use my PODXT, but after reading
all of this ill have to give it a shot


coldsteal,

I have a podXT also. Like you, I love it. But I also have Amplitube 2. With Amplitube, it's so much more convenient to record DI and then shape your tone to taste during the mix. I know I can do that with the podXT as well, but that requires reamping and whatnot. Amplitube sounds great PLUS the convenience factor is what makes me go to it. I think you'd like it a lot.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/03/31 12:30:08 (permalink)

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I havent even tried my Amplitubes yet, i always use my PODXT, but after reading
all of this ill have to give it a shot


coldsteal,

I have a podXT also. Like you, I love it. But I also have Amplitube 2. With Amplitube, it's so much more convenient to record DI and then shape your tone to taste during the mix. I know I can do that with the podXT as well, but that requires reamping and whatnot. Amplitube sounds great PLUS the convenience factor is what makes me go to it. I think you'd like it a lot.


lug-in Line 6 will be more than happy to resell you your existing amp models as a Plug-in (VST, UB RTAS ...) for $199 to existing owners of some hardware. They have been getting ripped for this on their own and other forums. It does seem like a lot for plug-ins that are clearly last generation. But, if all you want is your Line 6 tone in a plug-in, there you go.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 01:13:44 (permalink)

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So the trick is to set the GR2 effect to 100% wet?


Not really. There isn't a wet/dry control on the GR2. I'm thinking maybe your friend has his sound card set up in a way that you hear the clean signal separate, and in addition to, everything that's going on in SONAR.

He could check the card's control panel if it has one, or the Windows audio control (often an 'Advanced' button in the 'Recording' properties) and snoop around for something like "Record Without Monitoring". Make sure that's selected.

HTH


The original clean guitar sounds are recorded on Sonar audio tracks with GR2 inserted in the FX bins which processes the clean sound. So on playback you hear both the clean sound and the GR2 processed output.

We'd like to hear just the GR2 output on playback without the original clean sound.

Is this at all possible?
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 02:07:12 (permalink)
Sure...
Insert GR2 (or any AmpSim plugin) into a track's EFX bin.
Or... if you're processing a group of tracks, route them to a single group bus, and insert GR2 (or your favorite AmpSim plugin) there.

You want to processes the whole signal as an 'insert' effect... rather than a split/send effect (like a reverb).

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 02:12:01 (permalink)

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So the trick is to set the GR2 effect to 100% wet?


Not really. There isn't a wet/dry control on the GR2. I'm thinking maybe your friend has his sound card set up in a way that you hear the clean signal separate, and in addition to, everything that's going on in SONAR.

He could check the card's control panel if it has one, or the Windows audio control (often an 'Advanced' button in the 'Recording' properties) and snoop around for something like "Record Without Monitoring". Make sure that's selected.

HTH


The original clean guitar sounds are recorded on Sonar audio tracks with GR2 inserted in the FX bins which processes the clean sound. So on playback you hear both the clean sound and the GR2 processed output.

We'd like to hear just the GR2 output on playback without the original clean sound.

Is this at all possible?



Disable direct input monitoring on your soundcard and activate "input echo on" (button next to M, S, R buttons on track view.
I hope, this is, what your after.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 02:12:29 (permalink)

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So the trick is to set the GR2 effect to 100% wet?


Not really. There isn't a wet/dry control on the GR2. I'm thinking maybe your friend has his sound card set up in a way that you hear the clean signal separate, and in addition to, everything that's going on in SONAR.

He could check the card's control panel if it has one, or the Windows audio control (often an 'Advanced' button in the 'Recording' properties) and snoop around for something like "Record Without Monitoring". Make sure that's selected.

HTH


The original clean guitar sounds are recorded on Sonar audio tracks with GR2 inserted in the FX bins which processes the clean sound. So on playback you hear both the clean sound and the GR2 processed output.

We'd like to hear just the GR2 output on playback without the original clean sound.

Is this at all possible?


don't use them as a "send". Simply add the effect (Nigel/Amplitube, etc.) into the tracks fx bin (or if you are using mulitple tracks make a "guitar" buss) and put the effect in the bin. Adjust from there.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 11:40:16 (permalink)
I downloaded the demo of Amplitude 2 over the weekend and have to say I like the way it sounds more than GR2. The price is a bit excessive though. $399 or 329 Euros? I would think the Toneport UX2 would be a better option.

I use a PODxt Pro, a V-Amp Pro and a GNX3000 for tone generation and direct recording, and use GR2 for post processing of dry tracks. I usually use the POD when I record and record a dry track through the SPDIF out and a wet track through the USB out. Then I have the possibility to reamp the dry track with the PODxt or with GR2. When I use the GNX3000 I record a dry track with the USB out and a wet track with the analog outs. When I record with the V-Amp I use only the SPDIF to only make a wet track.

My first observation is that the guitar processors give me much better tone on the wet recorded tracks than a dry track that is reamped with GR2 or Amplitube. The PODxt is capable of delivering monster tone that these plugins just can't touch. Same with the GNX3000. Even the V-AMP Pro delivers excellent recorded tracks although "live" it sounds a little thinner than the PODxt.

My second observation is for 150 clams a V-AMP Pro is an amazing piece of kit for recording and can also be useful for live performances as it sounds great direct to PA. For less than the cost of Amplitube 2 one could get a PODxt Bean which can do reamping. For about the same cost there are the multieffect pedals like the PODxt Live and the GNX3000 that have reamping and many other recording possibilities as well.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 12:21:54 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Cromberger


ORIGINAL: stratcat

Yamaha's high end models are so consistent. If you read up on them, you'll find the craftsmanship is impecible and attention to detail is top priority for their builders. Read the reviews on Harmony Central for all of the SA models. The newest model is the 2200.
http://www.music123.com/Yamaha-SA2200-Semi-Hollowbody-Electric-Guitar-Violin-Sunburst-i54777.music

I bought my SA2100 on Ebay. You'll find the SA's go anywhere from around $600-1200 depending on the model and condition. I paid $1000 for my 2100 and it's near mint. Wine with gold hardware - simply gorgeous and plays like butter. The 2000, 2100 and 2200 are more like 355s with block inlays and fancier headstock. The 800, 1000, 1100 are more like a dot neck 335. All great guitars.

I just did a Google on Yamaha SA2100 and found this discussion group - http://www.yamahatalk.com/message-board-forum/forum-5.html


Stratcat,

Thanks for the info. Right after I read your last post I visited the Yamaha web site and checked out the SA2200. Now I'm itching to check one out in person...... Didn't see anything about the 800, 1000, or 1100 but, of course, I wasn't looking for those models so I may have just missed them.

I was surpised to see that the fingerboard radius on the 2200 is listed as 12-1/2". I do like a radius in the 12" range but due to some medical issues in my hands, I have a hard time with a board that flat. Still, depending on how thin/fat the neck is, I can play a 12". How would you describe the neck shape of your 2100? Baseball bat, toothpick, or ???.

Thanks again for the links and info.

Bill




It's not a baseball bat chunky size and not super thin. For me, it feels perfect. They don't make the lower numbered models anymore - those are older models I see on Ebay now and then. Let me know if you pick up one!! There are usually a few out on Ebay - just do a search for "yamaha sa"..

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 14:37:56 (permalink)

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riffworks was originally pushed by line 6




There is a cut price line 6 version that only works with line 6 devices still.

For the record

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 21:36:42 (permalink)

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Thanks for those replies. I had tried the Amplitube demo but it kept crashing for me too. I guess for now, I'll just keep mic'ing my Fender Twin (not always practical in an apartment building though!).

There a lot of great modeling programs out there and they all one thing in common: they can produce a bunch of sounds at qualities of say 90-95 percent. That is why they make GREAT writing tools. The fact is however that in terms of just that one tone (whatever it is...lets say a clean, jazz fender twin) not one of them can beat a plain old sm 57 in front of a real Fender Twin (or Marshall 800, or Vox etc etc) Not only do modeling programs not get the amp completely right, they kill the tone of the instrument being played through it. Don't get me wrong, I use a line 6 Guitarport and I love it. I primarily use it for bass guitar (keeper tracks, just can't afford that bass rig I want) and guitar writing/scratch tracks. When its time to lay down the real guitar, I pull out a mic or two and have at it. If your problem is living in an apartment with a great tube amp (been there did that) then invest is something like a THD hotplate, or Marshall Powerbrake. I prefer the Marshall because it lets you dial in your impedance and the THDs come in 1 impedance setting only, but the THDs are cheaper. They both sound great though. You have one of the best amps ever made. Use it.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/02 22:54:53 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: coldsteal2

I havent even tried my Amplitubes yet, i always use my PODXT, but after reading
all of this ill have to give it a shot


coldsteal,

I have a podXT also. Like you, I love it. But I also have Amplitube 2. With Amplitube, it's so much more convenient to record DI and then shape your tone to taste during the mix. I know I can do that with the podXT as well, but that requires reamping and whatnot. Amplitube sounds great PLUS the convenience factor is what makes me go to it. I think you'd like it a lot.


Cool i tried it two days ago and it sounds really nice, thanks, i might have just
never even tried it. thanks

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/17 14:34:46 (permalink)
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/17 14:53:39 (permalink)
I've just bougth revalver and I'm really happy with it because it means less stuff to carry with me when I'm on the move
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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/17 16:42:20 (permalink)
I guess it depends on what you are trying to do. Do want a multi effects units that has amp modeling or just good effects? I was never really impressed with the COSM stuff on the boss units. I had the GT-5, I think. Great unit for effects but the COSM was awful.

As far as external boxes go, I think Line 6 still has the jump on everybody when it comes to modeling. I love my guitarport. You can download differente mods and even use it as plug-in which is pretty cool. The unit itself only cost 100 and the mods are about the same price. I use the stock sounds it came with and purchased the bass guitar pack which sounds great.

I stopped using multi units and went back to the plain old stomp boxes. I just think the effect and sound quality are better and more and more are offering true bypass these days.

Are you trying to record something for a specific purpose? Demo, song writing, finished product, soundtrack?

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/18 09:08:44 (permalink)
If you already have a POD XT (I am guessing if you are asking Amplitube vs. guitar rig, you don't - but who knows?) I would suggest getting the Gearbox plug in. Besides great sounding guitar plug ins, it is pretty CPU friendly IMHO. (of course if you don't have a POD XT, buying the dongle (pod xt) and the plug in would be pretty pricey)

Right now it is on sale for the rest of April (125.00) and includes silver package for POD XT customers. (apparently toneport people do not get such a sweet deal). (I am in no way affiliated with Line 6, just took the plunge myself and am very satisified)

I was very down on this when it first came out, but at this price with silver package upgrade - well worth it in IMHO.

I was very surprised by the vocal pre-sets with the included silver package pre-amps.....very nice to have in one's arsenal too.

Also, with the BASS POD expansion pack on the POD XT, I have a lot covered now in VST for an additional 125.00 $.

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RE: Amplitube vs Guitar Rig 2007/04/18 11:01:28 (permalink)

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Right now it is on sale for the rest of April (125.00) and includes silver package for POD XT customers. (apparently toneport people do not get such a sweet deal).


I'm not sure, but I think when a POD xt owner gets the VST Plugin, they get all the sounds they already have on their hardware unit. I think this means also any addon packs installed.

I have been able to get reamping via USB working like a charm and find that I no longer even think about the VST plugin. It can be done using the WDM drivers or with ASIO4ALL. If you have an xt Pro it can also be done via SPDIF.

Also, the more I play with the Amplitude 2 demo the more I like it for all things rhythym. I still can't get that creamy fusiony lead tone out of it yet, but I think its there and I just need to somehow get it dialed in. As soon as IK drops the price on it I will probably pick it up.
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