Skyline_UK
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An irritation...
If I'm working on a track, say copying and pasting a section, very often when I paste, the pasted section turns up on an entirely different track. The reason is that you have to remember first to click somewhere in the track's info area to say "This is the track I'm working on and would like the pasted bit to go to". Sonar defaults to the last track you clicked on the info area. This has always bugged me about Sonar. Studio One's default is the track you're currently working on, which makes sense.
Is it just me?
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Richard Cranium
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 07:57:38
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Skyline_UK
If I'm working on a track, say copying and pasting a section, very often when I paste, the pasted section turns up on an entirely different track. The reason is that you have to remember first to click somewhere in the track's info area to say "This is the track I'm working on and would like the pasted bit to go to". Sonar defaults to the last track you clicked on the info area. This has always bugged me about Sonar. Studio One's default is the track you're currently working on, which makes sense.
Is it just me?
No and Studio One is the bomb, I just get it on crossgrade from Sonar Platinum couple days ago thanks to forum here and use it constantly and it is very awesome, solid, fast, and polished professional feel, love the scratch pads and the arrange, mastering, everything, and it just seem more natural to me a lot of the ways and things. Quickly becoming my number one best DAW
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 07:59:02
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I think it's that way by design because if you control left click drag and drop it doesn't have to be in the "focus" track.
not saying that's the best way to do it, obviously if S1 does it differently then you're not alone in the way you would like to work, tho.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 11:32:24
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Why do those who left the product always feel the need to add a "neener-neener" to their post.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 12:05:21
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2015/09/23 13:44:59
Me too. Or if you have a track that is split into multiple clips, add a fade to the end of one of the clips and realize that the fade got added to all the clips in the track because they were all selected.
My solution is to have one of the Control bar buttons set to "None" (for "select none") and use it often when editing.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 12:07:59
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/09/22 12:35:36
charlyg
Why do those who left the product always feel the need to add a "neener-neener" to their post.
People who just get something new are often dazzled by the "shiny new object" elements. A couple months into it they discover the grass isn't always greener on the other side. This isn't a diss on Studio One; it's a fine program. But it doesn't do some things SONAR does which I need, so SONAR is what I use for creating music. OTOH Studio One does great for album assembly, so I use it for that. I don't know why it's such a revelation to some people that different programs have different features, some of which may or may not be more important to an individual's specific needs.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 12:17:23
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The original poster's concern is also one of the reasons people leave and go to another DAW.
Simple editing with unpredictable results. This frustrates some users into thinking the DAW is buggy.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 12:25:25
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Skyline_UK
Studio One's default is the track you're currently working on, which makes sense.
It depends on how you define "currently working on". SONAR differentiates between the current/focused track, and the track(s) in which clips are selected. Among other things this allows you to easily copy/cut parts from different tracks and paste them to the "current" one without having to constantly keep resetting the target track because track focus follows clip selection. I don't use Studio One so I'm not sure how it handles this scenario, but I'm used to the SONAR model, and find it very flexible if not as instantly intuitive as having focus follow clip selection, which I gather is what Studio One does.
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stevec
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/22 22:00:11
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Same here, Dave... I'm used to the existing method and find it consistent and flexible. When pasting, just first select the track where the past should start, working downward.
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Richard Cranium
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Re: An irritation...
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2015/09/23 07:15:36
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Why do those who left the product always feel the need to add a "neener-neener" to their post.
I am very sorry, I'm no neener-neenering to anything, I just read the post before me which speaks of Studio One, and I comment, because because of the forum deals below I find crossgrade from Platinum to Studio One Professional, very good deal, so I buy it, and I like it very much, makes much more plain sense the ways it works, and things like the scratch pads and arrange view make working much better and easier for me, and all the other things and ways of the program, and it just feels very solid and polished and professional. Yes exciting with a new toy, but no not just excitement for new things, they are things that make using much easier to me and it makes a lot of sense, I wouldn't want to be without those features now. But you think what you like, really is no bother to me, I am not insecure in what I use, it is only software, I don't hug and kiss it before sleep, that may be you thing, but not me, it has no feelings, I find a better one I use it ? Once again sorry, I only came to find a solution to Sonar Platinum since ipswich update, and I also find I'm not liking the every month update thing, I know I don't have to, and I find good deal to crossgrade to Studio One on these forums deal section, and boom. I have not left and 'neener neener' whatever infantile thing that is, I was still Sonar user from Sonar 7 Producer, finding a solution to after ipswich. Sorry to anger your insecurity. Richard
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 13:20:57
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It makes sense to me the way Sonar, Microsoft and countless Windows programs function. As I recall, if I first select the track I'm copying info from and intend to paste that info on that same track, no reelecting of the track is necessary - I still need to place the song cursor when I want the pasted info to reside. Should I want that copied information on a totally separate track (which is often my use), I need to tell the software where/when to insert the pasted info. I wouldn't want a software program to assume to know what I want. If I'm missing something, then tell me since this is standard Window's program operation for the past 30 ish years.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 13:33:49
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An overwhelming majority of my copy/pastes are drag and drop so this hasn't really been an issue. Most programs often fail to read my mind (as in the track I'm "working on").
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 13:38:04
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 13:38:04
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nanoo nanoo again (dupe).
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/23 13:47:11
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 20:43:12
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charlyg
Why do those who left the product always feel the need to add a "neener-neener" to their post.
Because nobody will listen to them at the Presonus forum?
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 21:12:38
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I'm not very happy with the way copy / paste works since the change after 8.5.
My pet peeve is I'll have 3 takes, vocal, bass or guitar.. and I want to steal one little bit to replace a boner. I split the track and remove the boner, and when I try and copy paste from a different track using the exact same time and length, it erases the part before or after the paste?? Of course I'm doing something "wrong", but it's such a basic function that we all did forever and now it is quirky and frustrating. I just put up with these things because there is more reasons to continue with Sonar than there is to have to change.. And eventually I figure out the new dumber way to do things...;>
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 22:38:02
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Cactus Music
I'm not very happy with the way copy / paste works since the change after 8.5.
My pet peeve is I'll have 3 takes, vocal, bass or guitar.. and I want to steal one little bit to replace a boner. I split the track and remove the boner, and when I try and copy paste from a different track using the exact same time and length, it erases the part before or after the paste??
Really? I would think that happens only if the other parts are selected...with the situation you describe, I ctrl+shift+drag into the new position so that a) the old one is preserved, and b) it ends up in the exact same place.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/23 22:54:01
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Well there you go, I guess I only use point and drag (with snap to grid on 1/4 notes) which obviously stopped working with 8.5. The other parts are not selected. But what I think happens is Sonar in it's effort to preserve the zero crossing point ends up having to overlap the measure line of the new paste with the original track parts. There's no room, so it deletes the whole section. My solution is to drag the original sections a little off the measure/ beat line, then paste the new part. Now I can drag the original sections back again and it sticks. As you are probably well aware we sometimes need to drag the splice point back and forth a hair to get a nice smooth transition with no artifacts.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2015/09/23 23:05:15
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stevec
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 14:46:39
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☄ Helpfulby RD9 2015/09/24 22:56:36
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 15:22:30
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stevec
It sounds like you may have Replace instead of Blend active?
https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Dialogs2.077.html
Regardless, I often do the same thing you've described anyway since the two performances never seem to be perfectly aligned so a little tweaking is needed for the best transition - dragging the clip ends and fading as needed.
Very possibly. Also, whenever I want to replace a "boner" my method would be to select the source AND destination tracks simultaneously, place the now time at the exact time you want to split from, how hit 's' and split the 2. Now go to the end of the section, and split again. Deselect everything, delete the "boner", then select the bit you DO want and ctrl + **** & drag. Works every time - LEAVE SNAP OFF. zoom in really tightly to see if there are zero crossing points on or very near your split points and position the now time accordingly
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 16:42:31
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Good point about leaving Snap off, Jonesey. I always do this as well since not only are my performances never aligned with themselves, but never really aligned with snap intervals either. 
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 16:48:44
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Yeah, my timing varies from day to day, hell even hour to hour, but I'm never sample accurate Lol
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 17:19:59
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charlyg
Why do those who left the product always feel the need to add a "neener-neener" to their post.
I am very sorry, I'm no neener-neenering to anything, I just read the post before me which speaks of Studio One, and I comment, because because of the forum deals below I find crossgrade from Platinum to Studio One Professional, very good deal, so I buy it, and I like it very much, makes much more plain sense the ways it works, and things like the scratch pads and arrange view make working much better and easier for me, and all the other things and ways of the program, and it just feels very solid and polished and professional. Yes exciting with a new toy, but no not just excitement for new things, they are things that make using much easier to me and it makes a lot of sense, I wouldn't want to be without those features now. But you think what you like, really is no bother to me, I am not insecure in what I use, it is only software, I don't hug and kiss it before sleep, that may be you thing, but not me, it has no feelings, I find a better one I use it ?
Once again sorry, I only came to find a solution to Sonar Platinum since ipswich update, and I also find I'm not liking the every month update thing, I know I don't have to, and I find good deal to crossgrade to Studio One on these forums deal section, and boom. I have not left and 'neener neener' whatever infantile thing that is, I was still Sonar user from Sonar 7 Producer, finding a solution to after ipswich.
Sorry to anger your insecurity.
Richard
It has nothing to do with insecurity, it has to do with the urge some have to knock something down that a great many folks love, and use daily. I'm sure you would not appreciate something you like being put down as "they" walk out the door.
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 21:24:35
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Richard Cranium
No
and Studio One is the bomb, I just get it on crossgrade from Sonar Platinum couple days ago thanks to forum here and use it constantly and it is very awesome, solid, fast, and polished professional feel, love the scratch pads and the arrange, mastering, everything, and it just seem more natural to me a lot of the ways and things. Quickly becoming my number one best DAW
Just a quick post in support of your original response and to encourage you to continue to post your opinions. There is nothing wrong with discussing similarities and differences between DAWs as well as what your preferences are. All the major modern DAWs are both inventive and derivative in their origins and it will be helpful for us to hear what works in other products besides Sonar. Studio one 3 has sparked a bit of interest because of its clean look and scratch pad. This posting was, IMHO, perfectly appropriate and positive in tone. Observations about the strengths of other DAWs are common and if Craig Anderton is allowed to complement features in other products it is only fair that you are as well. It is important for readers to avoid applying improper syllogisms by assuming an "exclusive OR". For example; just because I think Jeff Beck is a great guitarist doesn't mean I think Hendrix isn't. Please keep us up to date on your progress and never let us dampen your enthusiasm!
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Re: An irritation...
2015/09/24 21:47:46
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Often I have selected only one track but Sonar thinks I have several tracks, so the copied content ends several tracks below where it should. I know I have only selected and copied one track because if I go back, select Paste to One Track, and pick the track, it works fine.
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