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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/11 18:59:19 (permalink)
Or the recent Tom Hardy movie, "Locke"...2 plus hours of just Tom inside his car, talking on his Bluetooth...yet totally engaging and captivating.


PS...can't wait to see him playing BOTH Ronnie and Reggie Kray in the film, Legend.

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 02:22:51 (permalink)
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Or the recent Tom Hardy movie, "Locke"...2 plus hours of just Tom inside his car, talking on his Bluetooth...yet totally engaging and captivating.


PS...can't wait to see him playing BOTH Ronnie and Reggie Kray in the film, Legend.



 
'Locke' is a superb film. Hardy's my favourite actor lately, hard to believe it's the same guy in 'Lawless' (another great movie)

 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 09:23:00 (permalink)
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...that this is yet another reason, why Americans have a hard time with foreign film!

And the reason this particular American seeks out foreign films.
 
Each country still has its own conventions, but they're all a little different from one another. What I especially look for is multi-cultural cross-pollination. When, say, China takes on an American genre such as the Western. Great stuff often ensues! It'll be just enough like a traditional Western to feel familiar, but will almost certainly take off in an unexpected direction with complex plot twists that are the hallmark of Chinese cinema. Ditto for horror films from Thailand or science fiction from Russia. I'm waiting for a Korean musical; that should be spectacular.


Another example of analog/digital ... the music by Mozart survived and we still listen to it!
 
For those differences, you really want to watch Godard, and his silliness. It's fun after a while because you know after a while he does not care, and he is having his fun with critics and film "ideas". The earlier stuff is best for me (2 or 3 things/weekend/alphaville/a bout de soufflé) ... I have not seen his Mozart film (just arrived) and his King Lear is one of the weirdest things ever, not to mention the casting. I like the French making fun of Americans! It's overboard! The Italians are not good at being funny because they already are! You must see Fellini's Roma and the fashion show at the end! Bombastic!
 
Dang, now I have to load more foreign film reviews ... I only have 500 of them total, and only 1/4 of them are up. I have been redoing them, and have to upload all reviews for the IMDB.


that might take a lot of your time away from posting in the Coffee House!!! 

Probably for the best. You wouldn't miss anything, then! Like Robert Fripp says ... "you're self sufficient, you don't need lessons or ideas."

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 09:39:38 (permalink)
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1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ...  
 
  Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?
 

 
THAT, ought to tell you how much you know/understand about different times, places and history! You simply don't, because not one teacher in any of your school classes, has ever put this into a proper perspective!
 
There was no electricity 2400/2500 years ago. How the heck do you think heat, and light could be carried in any house, room, or at night?
 
Films, hide that ... you go see this and that film, and indoors is just fine, when in Spartacus or Ben Hur or Ten Commandments, no one would be able to do a whole lot inside, because it was too dark! Specially in valleys, where the light of the sun, or the clouds hid even more.
 
How can you not see that? Because you have been spoiled by the movie mentality of most folks that can not see how so many of these stories were changed and made to be "visible" for our times. By the time things got to the Renaissance, the windows in many buildings were usually made to reach higher, to allow in more light.
 
Humans are clever ... they adapt really well ... but you can't imagine life way back when, and then believe a book or two ... it's crazy ... the thought alone, is insane!
 
Think about it!
 
Music couldn't even be "taught" properly, because most of it was not written, and most of it was an aural tradition! 
 
The only distinction I make is sort of like this (simplified!) ... analog is 2000 years old ... digital is electric! The rest is not worth the discussion!
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/08/12 09:54:25

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 11:33:30 (permalink)
Wow, what's next?  I bet he probably tries to make us believe that Raiders of the Lost Ark wasn't historically accurate! 

 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 12:43:47 (permalink)
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Moshkito
1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ...  
 
  Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?
 

 
THAT, ought to tell you how much you know/understand about different times, places and history! You simply don't, because not one teacher in any of your school classes, has ever put this into a proper perspective!
 
There was no electricity 2400/2500 years ago. How the heck do you think heat, and light could be carried in any house, room, or at night?
 
Films, hide that ... you go see this and that film, and indoors is just fine, when in Spartacus or Ben Hur or Ten Commandments, no one would be able to do a whole lot inside, because it was too dark! Specially in valleys, where the light of the sun, or the clouds hid even more.
 
How can you not see that? Because you have been spoiled by the movie mentality of most folks that can not see how so many of these stories were changed and made to be "visible" for our times. By the time things got to the Renaissance, the windows in many buildings were usually made to reach higher, to allow in more light.
 
Humans are clever ... they adapt really well ... but you can't imagine life way back when, and then believe a book or two ... it's crazy ... the thought alone, is insane!
 
Think about it!
 
Music couldn't even be "taught" properly, because most of it was not written, and most of it was an aural tradition! 
 
The only distinction I make is sort of like this (simplified!) ... analog is 2000 years old ... digital is electric! The rest is not worth the discussion!




I find it hysterical that in a post where Pedro suggests that others are ignorant about history, he concludes by showing his profound ignorance about the very ancient origins of digital systems:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_data#Historical_digital_systems
 


 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 13:55:27 (permalink)
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Moshkito
1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ...  
 
  Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?
 

 
THAT, ought to tell you how much you know/understand about different times, places and history...etc.




Hardly.
 
I just couldn't believe that you would have the brass neck to come on this board and try and explain a 'given' like suspension of disbelief in movies like we're children.
 
Do you really think we don't know this stuff? What kind of people do you associate with outside of the internet..anyone at all?
 
Do you think we've all just awoken from lifelong comas here Pedro?
 
Seriously man, get a grip. You beggar belief.

 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 17:23:09 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Nettles ... this is the biggest problem in teaching history be it literature, arts, or anything else ... we all think everything is the same as today ... and expect all we believe about history to be that way!
 
And that is naïve!
 
And that is uneducated!
 
And I did not create that history!
 
Your attacking me, for something, that is blatantly true, is pathetic ... sad ... and boring!
 
That's what a lot of "Comparative" studies that were done in the 1960's and 1970's, specially in the California systems, of which my own father was a part ... and basically, the first day was ... you gotta remember that not a single moment of a movie or a novel ... is accurate about history ... and then a lot of them went on to help define and break down some of the "traditions" in Greek Theater. Lighting was one. The other was the use of the dark and light. The other the masks to show emotion in poor lighting conditions specially, instead of just "emotion".
 
Oh well ... nothing like some of you guys intentionally hurting a thread because of a racist and malicious attitude. I was merely trying to show how different things are and at the same time, mis-represented, but all you can do is get defensive instead of intelligent and check out the information! You will NEVER EVER see any of those films to have any idea what was being discussed. You'll only stick to the top ten!
 
Now you know why so many Indians were wiped out in America for 300 years ... who cares? People here do not have an appreciation for history and some of its brouhahas, of which one of the most famous books, while very poetic, is the worst of them all!
 
There is no difference. Analog and Digital is just another word to prevent you from discussing the real detail or theme of the work at hand. it doesn't matter what it is, if it stands up strongly and well done. It's about the work itself, and the person/persons behind it.
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/08/12 17:59:23

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 18:15:43 (permalink)
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 all you can do is get defensive instead of intelligent and check out the information!



This is an interesting statement to reflect upon, as it contrasts defensiveness with intelligence. Perhaps when one is being defensive, then one is not using one's intelligence to its greatest capacity?

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 19:03:46 (permalink)


 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 19:21:06 (permalink)
It bemuses me to say it but...wait for it....Pedro has a point. And not just on the top of his head. Technology, while it should be opening up vast new worlds of more accurate information to the curious mind...and is, is making each succeeding new generation of the incurious (read, most everyone) less and less interested with history and by direct connection, historical accuracy. While it is certainly true that the adults of today know full well the falsities and inaccuracies of the latest Hollywood regurgitations of the no more than a baker's dozen stories they have to tell, each new generation will be less and less cognizant of such omissions and obfuscations. Such is life.

Of course it is also true that "SkyNet" is due to "go active" fairly soon making all this moot anyway:-)

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 21:35:17 (permalink)
If we take one definition of analogue it merely means something representative of something else.
 
Therefore isn't digital representation the only thing being discussed here that is analogous to reality?  IOW digital is the only analogue in the debate as a real smack in the mouth is a real smack in the mouth rather than being proportionate according to due proportion which a digital representation of a smack in the mouth would be.
 
In terms of representation therefore 'digital' is about the best means of producing an analogue known to man.
 
This is a way that meaningless words begin to take on meaning merely through common adoption rather than having true meaning. Analog (sic) used in this context is ironically therefore only representing a concept in language in a way that is analogous to real language.
 
I'm wondering now having mentioned all that whether I'm being a real arse or just an analogue... :-)
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 21:44:42 (permalink)
Er...word?

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 21:46:07 (permalink)
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Er...word?



Hi
Or...too many words even.
 

 
 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 23:18:09 (permalink)


 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/12 23:47:05 (permalink)
To no avail, unfortunately.

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 09:47:55 (permalink)
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If we take one definition of analogue it merely means something representative of something else.
...


I was thinking something like ... we have only had electricity for what 125 years or so? ... that means the word "analog" is much older than "digital", no? Like millions of years?
 
Craig will have that answer!
 
BTW, all, my apologies for the tone, I should be more "professional" and kiss ash a bit more ... but it just isn't in my nature! I just find it sad, when I look at a 45K book library of Portuguese, Spanish and Brazilian literature in Santa Barbara, that all of that paper is just toilet paper ... and that's how I feel, when you see comments like that ... and I find this tremendously sad ... like all those people will never be believed, or even understood.
 
I love movies, and art and all that, and everyone here knows that ... I live and die with them ... more than I do my own personal life, and every time someone does that, even if in gest, like Craig and Bapu do (which I've learned to let go with!), it feels like a stab ... a hard and harsh stab ... that education, in some places in this country, is not worth anything ... and that's like saying your song is not worth anything ... and that is SIMPLY NOT TRUE!
 
My play on Medea is a turnabout to the misogynist attitude towards her. If you use some of the examples, specially the inside of a room with the candelabras and pedestals, her story goes in so many ways, and she is not a monster ... she is a victim of the male manipulation world, which the chorus in the plays around her, obviously supports by calling it self the public, and it being all male! Women were not believed to have been a part of many chorus's at all, and in fact, many woman roles were originally done by men, the story of which goes all the way to Shakespeare, btw! We should not be surprised! heck, some writers had to hide the fact they were women, until the 1800's at least, because that was not acceptable and in some places, automatically made you a witch! This is still true in the Far East these days ... killing because "she's a witch" ...
 
It's just that nowadays, to me, this is not about Medea ... it's about the violation of the human spirit, and that I find not acceptable in any form. And I will die defending it ... even though some folks will never believe, or worse, understand ... any of it.
 
Sorry for the rant ... I do love you all, and you are one group that I treasure immensely. And thanks for the kind words, though my expression might not have come off as perfect as I would like ... sorry, it's the only language I can write in!
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/08/13 10:00:24

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 14:33:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/08/13 15:27:19
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If we take one definition of analogue it merely means something representative of something else.
...


I was thinking something like ... we have only had electricity for what 125 years or so? ... that means the word "analog" is much older than "digital", no? Like millions of years?

 
The short generalized answer, when contrasting analog and digital is this:
 
analog = a representation of something else that is continuous
digital = a representation of something else that is discontinuous

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 15:46:32 (permalink)
Manager = a representative of someone who is poor.
 
I wouldn't know, of course, because I'm only an American, and, therefore, too stupid to understand anything. If only there was an online representation of a person who would represent his perception of an entire nation in an extremely generalized and wildly inaccurate manner in order to demonstrate his relative superiority...
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 15:50:17 (permalink)
How does one represent his perception?
(inquiring mindless want to know)

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 16:03:14 (permalink)
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How does one represent his perception?
(inquiring mindless want to know)




Like a lonely fart in a phone booth?

 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 16:16:17 (permalink)
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How does one represent his perception?
(inquiring mindless want to know)




Like a lonely fart in a phone booth?




Yes, but would said fart stink if there was nobody there to smell it.

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 18:45:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/08/14 12:21:52
Is Pedro telling us all we're stupid again? I'm too dumb to tell 

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/13 21:55:36 (permalink)
He's not "telling" just gently "reminding" us. Bless his heart...

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/14 09:09:04 (permalink)
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Is Pedro telling us all we're stupid again? I'm too dumb to tell 




That's a gross generalization of what I said. My contention is that folks are so used to seeing one thing, and it becomes the only thing they know ... and they end up believing it. And then think that any differing opinions simply is not politically correct, because it does not support the socialist concept of everyone agreeing and liking the same thing!
 
If you consider that stupid, that is your choice. I consider it a sad state and comment on what the world has become, and how we're so separated from it all. Doesn't mean you have to go fight for something, but it doesn't mean that what is happening elsewhere is not a valid story, or comment, because your point of reference is not the same.
 
If any of you have a chance, watch "Visions of Light" which is about cinematographers, and you will get a much better idea of what some folks can do with a camera in their films ... that in the end, what matters is the changes that made the work visible and valuable. Not just my words. But if it doesn't interest you, I would think that some respect is due for anyone seeing it and making comments on it. Some of you allow me to see different things, but want to make sure I do not say anything about them! Because it differs from what you know!
 
It's a taste you develop, no different for different foods from different countries! And MacDonald's is still available if you can't handle the spices!
 

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/14 11:42:29 (permalink)
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My contention is that folks are so used to seeing one thing, and it becomes the only thing they know ... and they end up believing it. 



Ah, now I understand!  He's talking about becan!  Mmm...

 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/14 12:14:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2015/08/14 13:46:36
Pedro I know you think that we're all too narrow minded and/or conditioned to appreciate your sublime theories on art and philosophy, but the reality is that you seem to use these discussions as a springboard into pre-baked tangential diatribes which passive-aggressively put everyone down. Now I'm not going to give you too much of a hard time about that because I have a very good friend who does exactly the same thing. On the flimsiest of cues he's attacking other people's innocently expressed opinions and using them as a platform for a lecture on how everyone is conditioned to think like sheep and how if only we'd open our minds more (i.e. read the same literature/visit the same websites he does) then we'd start to appreciate just how frustrating it is to have such a kaleidoscopic intellect in a sea of brainwashed buffoons. Case in point - a perfectly innocent discussion about the respective qualities of analog and digital formats results in you lamenting everyone's socialist conditioning, as ridiculous as that is. 

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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/15 09:29:24 (permalink)
Heavy stuff. Whew.
 
I once lived on a sheep ranch in England (do they have ranches in England, or do they just qualify as "farms"?) and I can tell you from direct observation that we throw the "sheeple" insult around much too lightly.
 
Those creatures are so dumb that they're easily outsmarted by dogs. Consequently, even calling someone a son-of-a-**** is placing them significantly higher on the IQ scale than sheep.


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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/15 10:46:39 (permalink)
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Heavy stuff. Whew.
 
I once lived on a sheep ranch in England (do they have ranches in England, or do they just qualify as "farms"?) and I can tell you from direct observation that we throw the "sheeple" insult around much too lightly.
 
Those creatures are so dumb that they're easily outsmarted by dogs. Consequently, even calling someone a son-of-a-**** is placing them significantly higher on the IQ scale than sheep.




Yep, sheep are without doubt, the dumbest animal ever, and they can die from practically anything. A mild breeze or a harsh word is sometimes enough.

 
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Re: Analog vs. Digital 2015/08/15 11:52:07 (permalink)
Can sum juan point me to the Pedro post in this fred?
 
 
 
I need a map on how to get around them.
 
 
Mindlessly of course.
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