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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
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First, you should at least try to tell us why you think there is a problem. From what I hear, everything is fine except the vocals. And the claps. The vocals are hard to hear clearly because of some effect on them. And the lead vocal is a little too crispy. Then the BGV are right on top of the lead vocal as well. Pan the BGV left and right, bring the lead more up front. The claps just sound weird. Try a better sample. Maybe pan them to the left with a very small delay panned right. Or vice versa, lol. Cool song though! Regards, Dan
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/29 16:06:13
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Fun song. I think the vocals need a budge upward in the mix, as do the guitar solos. Maybe a little nudge of hi's on the snare, and drop it down a db or 2. Other than that, pretty good mix and really well performed.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/29 18:23:30
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dcumpian First, you should at least try to tell us why you think there is a problem. From what I hear, everything is fine except the vocals. And the claps. The vocals are hard to hear clearly because of some effect on them. And the lead vocal is a little too crispy. Then the BGV are right on top of the lead vocal as well. Pan the BGV left and right, bring the lead more up front. The claps just sound weird. Try a better sample. Maybe pan them to the left with a very small delay panned right. Or vice versa, lol. Cool song though! Regards, Dan
Thanks so much for the kind words, Dan. I guess as the writer and performer of the song it's hard to separate what I wanted when I set out to write it from what it ends up being and I'm dealing with a little cognitive dissonance as a result. lol I agree about the crispiness of the lead vocal and I'll try the separation idea. The handclaps do sound weird, but they aren't samples, it's actually me clapping. Maybe I should have used samples but it never occurred to me to look for some. Do you know where I can get them? Thanks!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/29 18:27:04
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Randy P Fun song. I think the vocals need a budge upward in the mix, as do the guitar solos. Maybe a little nudge of hi's on the snare, and drop it down a db or 2. Other than that, pretty good mix and really well performed.
I appreciate the compliments and I especially appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment, Randy, so thanks for that. I'm going to give all of these ideas a try. With this song getting the guitars right has been a major headache and the solos especially so. I'll give 'em a tweak and see what happens, thanks!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/29 18:46:18
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Actually I like the hand clapping. Brighten it up put some reverb on it. Make it snap. Sorry I think it belongs there. But what do I know. Great guitar playing. I like that song. PS You definitely need to bring up the vocals a little.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/29 19:41:54
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Schafe, thanks for the feedback, it means a lot to me! Yeah, I'm bringing the vocals up and adding some verb to the hand claps. I like it too. :) Come to think of it, Dan's comment was not that handclaps shouldn't be there but that the sound was kind of weird.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 08:05:07
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I think it's better. The Claps do sound better, but I think the problem with them is that they sound like the upper frequencies were EQ'd out of them, making them sound too mid-rangey (is that even a word? Lol). Make them a bit brighter and they will sound more like claps instead of blocks. Lead vocal sounds much better. There is some sibilance in spots, but it isn't as obvious as it was. Regards, Dan
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 11:22:14
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Hey, thanks Dan, I appreciate you coming back! You've been such a help that I think I'm going to have to start paying you. And who knew recording hands clapping was such a science? Thanks again!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 12:01:04
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I like the song and the mix sounds good hear. However, I agree with Dan on the hand claps. Take some lower middle out of them and take them down 1dB. Good stuff though mate.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 15:29:41
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2nd mix is very good. Great song. Go with you instincts on the mix. I wouldn't change it now. There are ALWAYS tweeks to be made in your mind so decide on the mix YOU like and go with that. Make the decision! The song and you sound great
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 17:11:55
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bayoubill 2nd mix is very good. Great song. Go with you instincts on the mix. I wouldn't change it now. There are ALWAYS tweeks to be made in your mind so decide on the mix YOU like and go with that. Make the decision! The song and you sound great
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 17:14:07
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daryl1968 I like the song and the mix sounds good hear. However, I agree with Dan on the hand claps. Take some lower middle out of them and take them down 1dB. Good stuff though mate.
Thanks for your time, Daryl, definitely going to give that a try. Appreciate it!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/10/31 22:14:31
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I listened to the second mix only. You are done. Great song, great mix! The chorus vocals towards the end sounded a little warbly? wow and fluttery? I assume this is an intended effect . . . but if not, it's like the last minute of the song. Or my internet connection is providing the flutter? super cool, you have excellent separation all the way through. -Tom
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/01 01:01:50
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emeraldsoul I listened to the second mix only. You are done. Great song, great mix! The chorus vocals towards the end sounded a little warbly? wow and fluttery? I assume this is an intended effect . . . but if not, it's like the last minute of the song. Or my internet connection is providing the flutter? super cool, you have excellent separation all the way through. -Tom
Thanks for chiming in, Tom! I had to redo almost all the vocals because of an unfortunate bounce that applied a bunch of icky effects in ways that confused the hell out of me to the point that it was easier to start over with them. I guess I missed some. Thanks for sniffing those out, I guess I ain't done after all!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/01 03:00:36
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Kevin, Real good & punchy pop-rock number. Good terse songwriting, MarshalCrenshawesque. Great instramental parts and guitar break. My only crits (I'm listening on medium-fi mono) are that the snare is too sharp/loud most of the way with the lead vocal relatively subdued (compressed?). This could be a matter of personal taste. Nonetheless, real good stuff. Cheers, Bert
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/01 10:41:05
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Bert Guy Kevin, Real good & punchy pop-rock number. Good terse songwriting, MarshalCrenshawesque. Great instramental parts and guitar break. My only crits (I'm listening on medium-fi mono) are that the snare is too sharp/loud most of the way with the lead vocal relatively subdued (compressed?). This could be a matter of personal taste. Nonetheless, real good stuff. Cheers, Bert
Bert, thanks for that. I've not tried to listen in mono, I'll have to give that a listen to see what's up with that. It's funny, I juiced the high end on the snare and dropped it a few db's, so it may be that I need to drop the high end a bit on the snare. Thank you for your kind words on the tune itself and for taking the time to check it out!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/04 14:47:49
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Just had a listen to v2... overall, sounds good! Catchy tune and everything is well played. The guitars are a standout for me for the nicely layered tones and parts. For those hand claps, I would try layering some samples just for a bit more width/presence.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/04 16:27:47
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Thanks steve! Do you have any suggestions on a sample library with a good clap? I'm clueless about sampling.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/05 04:12:01
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I'd listened to the second version, and liked it! The Bass/guitar sounds are awesome, the Beach boys/Steely Dan choir sounds great and fills out really nice. I'm no hand clapping expert, so I don't say anything about that. ;) Good job and thanks for sharing.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/05 10:33:40
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lol, thank you for listening, Leizer. I appreciate you taking the time to listen and to comment.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/05 11:23:32
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Kevin, If you have A version of Komplete, I think there is a small set of claps in the default Kontakt library. They are classified under "Urban", or something like that. Otherwise, there are a few Kontakt libraries I've run across that are inexpensive with things like claps, shakers and tambourines. There is also this: http://99sounds.org/vst-plugins/ Regards, Dan
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/05 13:15:58
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Only listened to version 2 which works well here. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/05 23:10:14
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I only listened to V2 Kevin and this is a very catchy tune.....nicely performed......a hint of T-Rex (guitar). Mix sounded fantastic on my H-phones......keep em coming mate!!!
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/07 04:50:28
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dcumpian Kevin, If you have A version of Komplete, I think there is a small set of claps in the default Kontakt library. They are classified under "Urban", or something like that. Otherwise, there are a few Kontakt libraries I've run across that are inexpensive with things like claps, shakers and tambourines. There is also this: http://99sounds.org/vst-plugins/ Regards, Dan
Dan, thanks for the pointers, I'll definitely check the 99sounds thing out, it looks like it could be very useful. I don't have Komplete, don't know a thing about it. Looks like I have some reading to do. Thanks!
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kevinwal
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Re: Angry Girl - Help me fix this *&%?! song!
2015/11/07 04:52:21
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Wookiee Only listened to version 2 which works well here. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for listening and taking the time to comment, wookie. Your input is welcome!
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2015/11/07 04:53:40
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Mesh I only listened to V2 Kevin and this is a very catchy tune.....nicely performed......a hint of T-Rex (guitar). Mix sounded fantastic on my H-phones......keep em coming mate!!!
Mesh, thanks for checking it out, and thanks for the comments. I haven't listened to T-Rex in years and years, I'm going to have to give them a listen again soon. Thanks!
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