Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard

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2013/02/12 20:16:05 (permalink)

Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard

I've recorded a guitar track and during playback i can easily hear the sound of my hand sliding on my guitar fretboard. I play with distortion (metal type). I have try to reduce it using eq after the track is recorded but no result...I wish i could not change my distortion sound 'cause i like it that way...any advices?

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    Phonic
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 20:26:16 (permalink)
    I have had great success using Izotope Rx 2 to spectrally edit out guitar squeaks, it may work for fret noises too.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 20:35:41 (permalink)
    Are you using it as a vst during recording? How does it works?
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 20:44:42 (permalink)
    R-Mix?

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 21:25:26 (permalink)
    Play better.  Sorry, not being a smartass.  More precise chord changes works best of all.  Just hit those chords right on, and deaden the strings in-between changes.  I can always tell a sloppy player by those string noises.
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 21:33:45 (permalink)
    I don't know that it is sloppiness since I have picked up noise from some great players, but Finger Ease will help some (for next time).

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 22:16:05 (permalink)
    drop a notch filter in the 2-4 k frequency,drop it down slide it back and forth between 1.5-5k like i said above looking for the offender.
    just be carefull you dont dorwned out the sparkle of the instrument.

    compression can also blow up fret noise.if your squeezing to tight it comes with the territory,make adjustments.

    konrahdh is got the best idea yet though,lemon oil or fenders fret cleaner.
    you dont need much.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 23:15:08 (permalink)
    Hello,
    As a guitar player myself, I too will sometimes get frustrated with "FRET NOISE".  I have come to the conclusion after playing for some 30 odd years, that dedication to practice is the best result.  I have changed to different strings which reduces the noise somewhat, and I also use FINGER EASE which is a spay for the fretboard.  I hear your pain.   

    Just my 2 cents
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 23:41:03 (permalink)
    I've used a de-esser (spitfish from digital fish phones) in the past to help reduce the level of slide noise.  Also some highly-zoomed (and quite tedious) WAV editing in Sound Forge (or other WAV editor of choice).

    I do think that if you just try to filter the noise out via an EQ filter, you might be EQing out some wanted harmonic frequencies, thereby altering your tone in a possibly negative way.

    The best advice has been offered above: replace your strings (both size, type), a bit of the finger-ease and a bit of practice on your parts, then re-record.

    Best,
    guitardood

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/12 23:46:13 (permalink)
    You could experiment with a gate. When using heavy distortion its hard to not hear your fingers sliding on the strings. If u like ur distortion then leave it alone. The more u play the better youll get at not sliding youre fingers on the strings.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 04:27:03 (permalink)
    If it is just the odd bit of string noise, I have had a lot of success using the mute tool.  You need to zero right in on the wave form, choose the mute tool and swipe across the offending area.   How well it works depends on context.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 06:51:53 (permalink)
    I've used Melodyne Editor successfully for the odd errant guitar noise.  Its polyphonic mode often captures these and I find I can simply delete them there within Melodyne.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 11:23:48 (permalink)
    sliding up and down the fret board touching the strings helps keep your reference. usingthe UNwound strings helps keep your hand aligned with less noise.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 11:40:04 (permalink)
    Having played for 25 years plus...I have to agree a few here...PRACTICE. Finger Ease and a few others will help, but good solid playing technique is essential. Also if you are playing with a TON of distortion, try cutting down the gain some...if you are going for a really heavy sound, less distortion will surprisingly net a heavier sound. Also if you are recording with a mic and amp, play around with mic placement...it has helped me a bit, too...there is a lot of good technical band aids here, but good solid quick and accurate playing is the BEST solution, IMHO...best of luck and keep playing and practicing! I will NEVER reach a point where I am where I want to be as a player...it's what pushes me!

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 12:13:50 (permalink)
    konradh


    I don't know that it is sloppiness since I have picked up noise from some great players, but Finger Ease will help some (for next time).

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/fingerease-guitar-string-lubricant

    +1.  Essential in my tool kit.
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 12:18:25 (permalink)
    if you want to do touch up, remember you can automate eq settings to notch down certain moments without impacting others. you might use a second eq plugin for this so you have a separation of concerns.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 12:23:09 (permalink)


    Flat wounds.


    best regards,
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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 13:00:00 (permalink)
    I found that after a couple of years of playing classical guitar, my hands almost entirely stopped making fret noise on steel strings. It definitely has to do with technique and control. Like when you first start playing guitar and you cannot help strumming the open strings between chord changes. 

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 13:07:04 (permalink)
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    Play better.  Sorry, not being a smartass.  More precise chord changes works best of all.  Just hit those chords right on, and deaden the strings in-between changes.  I can always tell a sloppy player by those string noises.

    It is not really being sloppy, everyone deals with it. It can really be noticeable for acoustic guitar players. Here is an old studio trick I have been doing for years. Get an emery board. make sure it is a real fine grade. Lightly sand the top of your fingers. Then wash your hands. The problem should be solved. if it still persists then use a very light amount of baby oil on the top of your fingers.


    Don't laugh. this really works. Be careful not to sand your fingers too much

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 13:22:35 (permalink)
    @ Marcus Curtis - I have never heard of this...my hbody chemistrydestroys a set of strings in a day if I don't wipe them off...wonder if this might help...LOL

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 13:31:54 (permalink)
    Yeah... definitely more a technique issue. The recording process is far less forgiving than practicing/gigging. Every little flaw comes out. The good news is it will make you a better player. Keep practicing into the DAW paying attention to every movement you make. Warming up with some scales and position changing exercises beforehand is advisable. Also some guitars can make the little imperfections stand out more so if you have other axes around give them a try or rent/borrow something. A lot of dudes will keep guitars around specifically for recording (I bought my Yammie because I didn't trust my other guitars although they were good live).

    As far as effects someone mentioned R-Mix. It is really good for doing precise surgery on stuff like this. Just watch the R-Mix window when you hear those squeaks and squawks then isolate where the little blobs show up when it's happening. You don't even have to turn that area down all the way. Just enough to keep it from overpowering the rest of the signal. Also if you are using a sim like TH2 or GR make use of the global gate features. May not do much in the middle of a performance but it can help tame things a little. Compression can help smooth things out a bit better too.

    Just some extra things for you to try. Obviously checking out different options to see what works for you is best.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 13:53:51 (permalink)
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    @ Marcus Curtis - I have never heard of this...my hbody chemistrydestroys a set of strings in a day if I don't wipe them off...wonder if this might help...LOL

    Sometimes the tops of the fingers get rough and jagged and that winds up being the thing that causes noise and squeaks. Other times it is a skill level, either way this solution should take care of it. It works for me. Sometimes I have this problem with really hard acoustic pieces. It worked for other members of the guitar society that I recorded too. 

    I always have a bunch of emery board lying around anyway to shape the nails on my right hand anyway. I got the idea and tried it. I was amazed at how well it worked


    Only sand enough to smooth things out you don't want to sand off a layer of skin. a very light and refined sanding should do it. 


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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 14:02:46 (permalink)
    Ok...so leave the callouses on, right?

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 14:04:00 (permalink)
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    Ok...so leave the callouses on, right?

    right....don't mess those up your gonna need them.

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 22:37:56 (permalink)
    Try coated strings. 

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    Re:Annoying; The sound of my hand sliding on the fretboard 2013/02/13 22:50:15 (permalink)
    I'm half agreeing with Mike McCue, because if you don't want to try flat wound you could try half flat.  I started using these a year ago.  They took a little getting used to and aren't as bright as round wounds, but I've come to like them:
    http://www.daddario.com/D...ID=3768&familyid=2

    That said, as many here pointed out, recording has really forced me to clean up my playing in general.  I'm pretty adventurous about trying to fix things using Sonar but I've consistently found that I get better results if I just learn how to play cleaner... with the occasional punch-in.   Actually, I heard Joe Walsh had a similar experience when he started recording.

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