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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/22 16:55:52
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Firstly thanks Larry always appreciate your detective work. This is expensive for what it is. Nearly every patch sounds the same. All the sounds are there in your existing libraries to construct these textures. Be wary of textures being so complete in nature. Everyone else will have them too. It is better to construct these yourself even if you are using several instances of Alchemy (and other synths) and making these types of things much more unique and individual to you. Much better sounds result when you take control over every aspect of a complex texture. And play them like a musical instrument. Just some thoughts.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/23 03:49:21
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Jeff, just listened to quite a few of the demo sounds - boy you're spot on - they do all sound very similar! Also I'd love to know what genre of music they are aimed at and how you'd incorporate these sounds. The new pack from Camel, Iceland, is way better than this and I've already used Iceland in the project I am working on at the moment. Cheers Nigel
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 04:36:23
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To the original poster, thanks for the mention... The Anomaly sounds are not for everyones tastes. Not a problem. But to imply that these sounds were created from the Factory Sounds that come with Alchemy is very misleading... "All the sounds are there in your existing libraries to construct these textures." That I have a problem with.... Better to do some actual reading on the site and listen with a more critical ear than just take a quick swipe at something that is not to your taste... Oh well, you cannot please everyone...
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 07:36:52
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I never said the Anomaly sounds were created from factory presets. What I said was if you have a bunch of their libraries already especially the atmosphersic libraries there are tons of elements in there already that will allow you to build very similar sounds to the Anomaly library without spending $75. You just have to be creative and put some time in. I actually like those types of textures but not worthy of spending that sort of money and yes you need some special applications for them. And as I also said be wary of such complete textures as well. Better to construct these types of textures with more control over individual elements yourself, making them much more individual in nature. I spent quite some time on the site and listened to all the demos in great detail and read all the info, no quick swiping here. Heard nothing new, have heard it all before. The actual guys that are making the libraries for Alchemy are much more creative and interesting. Just listen to 'Water' and 'Iceland' as great examples of that. To dnekm have you listened to ALL the demos on the Camel Audio site, maybe you should.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 08:06:16
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The presets in Anomaly for Alchemy all use either 3 or 4 sources. They are complex for a reason. That being the user who can control which sources are used, how much they are mixed together, etc... I even advise swapping out sources and changing the performance views and remix variations on my site to make things tailored to each person. These things are not set in stone and there is a great variety in the over 250 sounds that accompany the presets. You prefer the official Camel sounds, your choice. No problem with that. I have a different approach and prefer to provide people with starting templates as presets and encourage experimentation. Apologies if I misread what you posted but I have to defend the sounds I create. And I disagree that you could create these sounds using Alchemy alone.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 11:34:21
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Very nice sound sets, from what I gathered from the demo. I'm sure if I spent hours programming I could come up w/ something similar, but then, that is hours of work. And Anomaly sounds more complex than many of the other libraries with the control via the pads and XY - which is right up my alley. I love actually "playing" a drone, a synth that doesn't emulate nothing and completely changes character depending upon the pads. It is a lot harder to program than it looks to get this right and the performances to jell. And then play it all, both on the keyboard and finding the right X/Y & pad settings to sound like an organic performance. Of course, stuff like this isn't everybody's or every style's cup of tea. It isn't something you use harmonically. So for more acoustic-based productions it ain't going to work probably, but in my own electronic rock stuff I use alchemy drones instead of pads and throw them in as ear candy. Judicious cutting and eq'ing can make even the thickest sounds work w/in a song. It provides a lot of interest and become less an FX than an texture. That is my theory, anyway. And this library looks perfect for such "pad" use, or dropping in ominous transitions and rumblings, etc. like Biolab's stuff. Of course my tastes are a bit different. And not necessarily popular. I'm the guy who upon seeing Madonna's first dance video (she had been an early roommate of my girlfriend) "She'll never last - a flash in the pan." Even after being so wrong I actually liked some of Madonna's later stuff in spite of myself. So maybe my endorsement is the kiss of death. Sorry about that ;-) @
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 14:25:31
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Hello AT - Yes, it is about unorthodox atmospheres and bringing out the darkness in different ways.... And rather than try to set people on one path on how to use the sounds, the 4 different parts actually take 2 different approaches. One based on mixing the sources in different ways and the other attempting to create different colours/tones of the sources through the use of filters and FX. I would rather have people trying to figure out new ways to use the weird sounds I make than have them only use them the way they are initially presented....
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 14:53:11
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One thing I do agree with and that is the use of the Mix Pads and it is hard to tell what those sounds are going to do until you play with them. They really make Alchemy sounds come alive. Recording the movements of the Mixpads is very cool. Why don't you drop the price to $59 and make it more attractive and in line with the Alchemy libraries. I might jump in then and buy it. You can almost get two Alchemy libraries (on special ) for your price and you would twice get as many sounds and presets etc.. Do you have any sweeter or more pleasant sounding textures rather than them all being so heavy and dark. You need both in my opinion. I have got the Alchemy player installed on an second computer, is your library compatible with that as well.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 15:53:21
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Hello Jeff, I specialize in dark sounds. So, while there may be at times glimmers of light in the sounds that I create, it is light surrounded by darkness.... I thought about the pricing, believe me. But all of the Camel sets that are $60 only offer 150 presets at most, with this soundset there are 250 presets with 8 variations each for a total of 2000 variations. So the price is set right....
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 15:56:17
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Forgot to add... about the Anomaly Player... I am pretty sure Camel does not allow 3rd party sounds to be played via the Alchemy Player. You could try downloading the four demo presets and see if they will load....
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Jeff Evans
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 20:33:13
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Hi Daniel, Yeah the demos all load fine into the player but as you say wont play. These are just some ideas so please take it this way, not being critical. I just feel that for $75 all of those sounds are very very similar and I would love to see some more variation like in the Alchemy libraries eg darker heavier textures right through to lighter sweeter textures. Some cinematic hits and some loops perhaps that sort of thing some arps tc... People want value for money and if you mixed these things up a bit I bet it would be a better option. I once bought (for about $20 mind you) a fantastic set of heavy textures for AKAI S1000. (Made by Platinum Audiolabs and is called Twisted Soundscapes) Except my Kurzweil and EMU samplers can load them up which is pretty cool. Here is the thing though. The first preset in the banks are like yours. Very deep dark complex textures which sound incredible and have everything in and happening. Hold one note down and sit back and revel in how huge it sounds and evolves. But each complex texture only consists of 16 individual elements. The individual components all vary, some are pads, some are hits, noises, bangs arps etc you name it. The next 16 presets are each component of the total sound on their own separately. Except now each component can be transposed over 10 octaves and not only that each component can be assigned a separate midi channel and you then set up a 16 track midi sequence and go in and play/record each component totally separately like a musical part on its own. So now the sky is the limit and you now have infinite and endless ways of playing the first texture. Very individual performances can now be had. Isn't that an interesting approach to it.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 20:59:32
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Okay.... You have your point of view. I can appreciate that. The sounds are anything but similar, if you can bring your ears out of expecting darkness to be mixed with sweetness and light. Look at it this way. There are people who drink coffee black, and those who drink it with milk and sugar. You are obviously the milk and sugar type. Not a problem, because you can get all of the coffee you want and add milk and sugar to your taste. See? That is not what I do.... The example you give, to me, is padding. There is nothing to stop anyone who buys Anomaly from setting up single sound presets and exploring from there. And if I broke each of the 250 presets down into their single component parts and then made variations (8 of them) for each one I would be dead before I finished the project. And, in the end, padding what I feel is a unique and useful sound library for no reason. Sure, I would have an amazing preset count, but that is not what I am about here. What this is - is a compilation, specifically selected for Alchemy, out of nineteen volumes (soundsets) I have released since 2005. You may feel the price is heavy, that is your opinion. I am really beginning to feel like someone pissed in your cornflakes this morning and you arbitrarily decided it was me. I assure you it was not....
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/25 21:26:48
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I was offering constructive criticism but obviously you cannot handle it. Smart people learn and take on board from what others are telling them. I am a very experienced composer especially of ambient textures and I have been doing it since 1980. I learned from listening to people like Brain Eno for example. (Stomu Yamahsta for dark) I know what elements you need and what sort of raw materials you need especially under deadline conditions. Anomaly is OK for certain things. You can only use those dark textures in so many situations. I just don't agree that it is great value for money that is all. A lot of it sounds very similar to me. Interesting yes but as I originally said there is an abundance of material already lurking within existing Alchemy libraries to create very similar sounds. It must be hard to create something very original for Alchemy because a lot has been created for it already and it is quite amazing. That is why I think they take quite a long time between bringing out new libraries themselves. But when they do they are very new and refreshing and usually I buy them without hesitiation. And more importantly I find immediate use for the presets which sort of speaks for itself. But good luck with it. I appreciate the work that you have put into it for sure.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 03:23:10
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Constructive criticism is one thing, but relentlessly going on about how something does not meet your expectations when it is what it is - is another. Obviously we have different approaches. You could always come out with your own soundset - exactly the way you want it.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 20:14:01
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Okay, you do not "get" the darkness.... That much I finaly understand. Let me tell you a story. The story of how the Anomaly series came to be. But let me also preface that. You think you are trying to be helpful. I get that. You think that by saying things like if it were cheaper, or better to your ears, or had more light, or was like something else - that you are in some way helping me. You are not. However, you are fully justified in your own feelings and thoughts.... For that is you... Anomaly... was born out of my experiences in going through Hurricane Katrina, in New Orleans. People I knew died. I lived through it. This is not something I really make public. But it was hell. You want to see the polite version of this? Go here: http://www.westgatenecromantic.com/photoalbum.htmand visit all of the pages... You pushed and pushed, and I finally had a bad day reaction. I hope you are happy, I am human. Anomaly is darkness, it is what is in me, and has been from the beginning, accentuated bt events in my life. It is my vision, my expression of what has come to pass and what may come to pass. Wasteland is a very real place to me, and I attempt to express that through sound. So forgive me if I think that your suggestions of arps or melodies belong here. They do not exist in this place.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 20:48:53
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PS - if you really think you can create the same thing - go for it.... and feel free to share the preset that does so...
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Jeff Evans
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 20:55:34
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Your story is very interesting. However you are looking at it from an inward perspective looking out. We the buyers of these kinds of things are on the outer looking in. What do we see. We see $75 buys you 250 presets that are all very dark. And with 8 variations on each that amounts to 2000 sounds that are all dark. That is OK and yes I do get dark. And there maybe a group of sound designers out there who may have to create lots and lots of dark textures all the time so your library would be a great option for them. But you are also narrowing it down now to a rather small group of people. You may not sell that many. Us sound designers might have to create lots of ambient textures that vary much more so than just dark. So we are always on the look out for interesting ways to do that. What would be graet from you is small library say for $35 or so that offers 100 dark presets. I would be in that for sure. You might find you will get more sales. Even the existing Alchemy libraries that are dark and atmospheric still have a wider range of variants contained within that library that extend its use well beyond just dark. People want value for money. I get that for $75 you are offering a lot of (dark) sounds and that is great but only for a limited number of individulas in my opinion who are really going to use them. Any decent sound designer also does not put all their eggs in one basket either. I would never just use Alchemy alone and your sounds to create a texture. That is not how it is done. If you do that you run the risk that everyone else will do that also and create the same result. I would use your sounds as part of or even just a small part of a final texture. There are many other amazing VST's like NI Prism that can do dark. Even Dimension Pro has some amazing dark sounds on board. Analog synths, digital instruments, live recordings of very organic sounds with lots of manipulation. What about Izotope IRIS. Now there is an amazing instrument. I am not pushing or trying to upset you, I am a pro user who has to do these things (not all dark either) for a living and I am on the lookout for intersting sounds and libraries all the time that is all. Just trying to give you some good advice and possible ideas. I hope you to succeed. You are not taking it the right way though.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 21:17:51
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You really do not get it.... There are some people, who just like to put forth what they feel, and share it with others. They used to be called musicians .....
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 21:20:43
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In the end... you would never use my sounds. So this is pointless on the verge of trolling....
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Jeff Evans
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 21:31:26
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I would use your sounds for sure but only if there were more price options like I said perhaps a smaller library for less. That would be great. There is more than dark as well. And light. That is only two aspects to ambient music. There is every shade in between. That is what is so incredible about ambient music it is almost infinite in nature. You should listen to Brain Eno around 'On Land Ambient 4' era. An amazing album. Those textures are all very different yet ambient in nature. (My definition of the word ambient as well is no rhythms present in any form. The term is used today but means something else now) For dark there is the likes of Stomu Yamashta 'Iroha' That is dark, bodering on death. Interesting though is that right at the end he turns it all around into the light, it is quite incredible. I am not interested either in making my own libraries, far too busy for that being a creative sensiitive emotional musician.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 21:43:18
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Just let it go.... You are not going to change me or where I come from.. You can not change that... Citing Eno as an influence... I could do that... but I would rather choose to place the influence on those I have known personally... And they will remain nameless... See, I am not predicating that things should be done one certain way and no other... That is is beauty and expression of what one feels, inside. We are all free to express this....
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/26 22:08:47
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It took a while to register.... But you think my story interesting.... ? You have no idea...
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/27 11:03:48
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Good stuff - tho not for everyone. 250 presets, as advertised, using the anomaly samples. Mostly long, ramp up drones. Ominous and thick. The performance pad (and x/y pads) add a lot of movement (change) to many of the programs. I didn't go through all of them - I like surprises when I'm looking for such sounds once the rhythm of a song is established. Besides, 250 programs times the pad settings times different pitches equals a lot of time to check them all out. If the presets seem like they're in the same mode - they are. Most of them can't be used like traditional, smooth pads - which collections of strike me as more similar in nature than Anomaly. How many times have I looked in the Rapt/DimPro (and others - not picking on Réne here) "PADS" folder and couldn't tell much difference between them. It is easy to change the sound w/o mucking around too much, even w/o the performance pads. The mod wheel can make large changes (and not just tremolo). But Alchemy is a synth, so it is very easy to get in and change the elements themselves. I like me some buzzy sounds, and not too many of these here in the presets (or one's I've found yet). A little quick programming can always add "buzz buzz buzz" as Hamlet sez, so I'm not worried about that part. And the sample set is really nice to have. Haven't yet tried any in other synths, but will (you don't mind, David, do you?). As above, not for everybody. Folk singers need not apply. But if you use the dark force in your music, this is a good collection. It reminds me a little of Biomechanical's stuff, tho not as bouncy or buzzy. Maybe that is where the "similar in nature" comments come from. However, you can't play the pads in the demos. Like most preset collections (even those w/o their own sample set), there is good stuff right out of the box and lots (and lots and lots in this collection) of wonderful starting points that 5 minutes of intelligent use of time can personalize. @
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/27 19:35:01
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The Anomaly soundsets, that is the individual volumes, come with presets for Wusikstation, Dimension Pro, Rapture, Absynth and Kontakt. The .SFZ and/or .WAV files will load in any instrument that can load .SFZ and/or .WAV files. Note about trying the sounds in Absynth - to get the sounds to loop you have to manually enter the loop points.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/27 23:14:30
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I forgot about using the raw wave files themselves. Even with the free demo they can be used very creatively. I actually don't use Sonar but Studio One and there is a great sampler in there calle Sample One. Very easy to drag those waves in there and play in a lot of different ways. Once you start transposing things they take on a new sound too. But more importantly I have only just discovered the free sounds that are on Daniel's Website. These are great and I thank you very much for those Daniel. I have got Wusik 6 and just downloaded the patches that only use the sounds that come with Wusik and they are great! Very nice indeed. I do have other libraries installed actually so I will go back and check them too. But if any of you have got Wusik get some of those great free patches they are well worth it. And if you have got more than the standard libraries installed there are free patches in there for them as well.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/02/28 05:59:04
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You can also get the very first Anomaly as a free soundfont file if you go to the Wraith VSTi page....
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/03/04 04:53:04
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I should probably just let this go, but I cannot.... Jeff, you make the point - several times - that this soundset is too expensive. Yet it offers 100 presets and 800 variations more than any current Camel soundset for just $15 more. And it offers over 250 source sounds, well above what is found in any official Camel soundset. These sounds are gathered from Anomalies VII through XIX, which sell individually on average for $15. So your wish to see smaller packages with less sounds exists. But without presets for Alchemy. You would have to make these yourself. Yes, it is a very specialized collection of sounds, by intent. I focus on dark sounds. In a unique way. You mention that these sounds could be created by using sounds already existing within other Alchemy soundsets and in Alchemy - they cannot. You are free to try. I would welcome hearing the outcome of any such experiments. And lastly - that there is nothing new or original within Anomaly. Feel free to point out anything that sounds the same. I would finally like to apologize for taking some statements too personally, but you caught me at a time when I had just finished working on a project for over two months, non-stop and only sleeping between 4 to 5 hours per night. So I spent some time after that blowing off some steam. My judgement may not have been the best. I should not post on public forums when I am in that mindset, but what is done, is done. All in all, Anomaly is not for you. You are welcome to that opinion.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/03/04 09:24:06
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Daniel it's cool, and I may have not fully understood either what this total library is all about. What has impressed me and led me to understand it much more is that great free soundset in Sound Font format on the Wraith VSTi page. This is an excellent soundset and I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to get a taste of what Anomaly is all about and it is free too. I am not exactly sure if and what Cakewalk synths will load up the sound font format but Presence certainly does in Studio One. And it just installed permanently as part of its library now. All of these presets (and there are many) are very playable and I like the fact that you can transpose them over a wide range and also create total multipart textures that consist of variations and combinations of them too. I realise this is not as powerful as the Alchemy version but it does give you a very good idea of what those types of sounds are like. I can see why now mixing them up with lighter or much more inside and musical presets would have been silly. The Alchemy library I imagine is specialised for sure and more powerful too but for those who really need lots of these types of things it would be good. I think you can make dark textures with existing Alchemy sounds but not with just the factory presets alone. I meant using quite a few of their other libraries. These sort of sounds would only be similar in genre not the detail or individual nature of Anomaly itself. I agree you would only get those from your soundset. I also really like the Wusik presets too. There are some really great sounds (dark and all ambient) and I find these go well with the free Anomaly soundset. I also checked out what Wusik libraries I did have and downloaded all the free presets that used them and there were many and those sounds are all great. Thanks again for the free Anomaly sound font and all those great Wusik presets. You have sort of got me back into Wusik again. I knew I had it of course but it is also easy to forget and get caught up in using a lot of other VST's. Wusik can sound huge and detailed and very complex as well. It is quite an incredible instrument. I may not jump in right now and buy Anomaly for Alchemy but if I had a job where I had to create a lot of that material I would. For now I am having lots of fun and really enjoying mixing up the free Anomaly sound font presets and blending them with your great dark Wusik sounds.
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Re: Anomaly for Alchemy
2014/03/04 19:06:25
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Jeff, Thank you... Don't forget about these presets, from my old Wusikstation Preset Exchange site: http://westgatesounds.net/WPE/index.html Wusikstation is actually a very special instrument. I always wind up coming back to it for sound design.
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