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2014/12/15 19:36:06 (permalink)

Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2

http://pro.magix.com/en/samplitude/overview.459.html
 
I'm really not sure what I'm missing without having the VCA feature.  $229.00 to get something, that I only vaguely comprehend (and evidently haven't missed) plus some other things like VST3 and better pitch shifting and time stretching.
 
Not feeling this one.  But there is a free 30 day demo.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/15 20:13:20 (permalink)
So....
 
VCA is the new side-chaining, or the new varispeed, or the new VST3.
Only even more marginally useful.
 
I'll stick to my non-HD, non-VCA version of Pro Tools, and Logic's track stack, which does 99% of the VCA stuff.
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/15 21:04:24 (permalink)
Rain
 
I'll stick to my non-HD, non-VCA version of Pro Tools, <SNIP>f.
 
I'm with you on this one.  I'll track and mix in PT11 and pre-master in Samplitude Pro X.



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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/15 21:06:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/12/16 01:27:32
....and write about it on the Cakewalk forum.
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 08:32:09 (permalink)
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Discussion focused on non-Cakewalk music software."

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 14:59:54 (permalink)
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"Software
Discussion focused on non-Cakewalk music software."


Pardon my intrusion, but read this and had to comment...

This is no longer relevant, as the Forum Hosts now get to decide what is 
permissible, AND even if your grammar is correct apparently, AND EVEN
if the "Deal" you post is "offensive" to Cakewalk...and even 
if they're wrong...they're right....so it doesn't even matter what the rules
or guidelines state...only what the Forum Host "Feels" or "deems"
is "appropriate" and whether or not they are posting as a "forum host"
or a "Forum Participant" which is never obvious in either case, and depending
on "which" they can demean you at their discretion and leisure...

As you were....back to being "Good Cake-ites" and assimilate to the system...


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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 15:18:23 (permalink)
Err... there are no hosts on this thread.  No mods either.  Well, other than the one with a bod.  
 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 15:26:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/12/17 03:11:29
Larry, wtf is wrong with you? Do you have the typing equivalent of Tourette syndrome? You have "left the forum" for good countless times and can't seem to resist the urge to keep repeating the same insane sounding, poorly formed, totally illogical rants OVER AND OVER and damn near word for word as if repeating the same psycho-babble is going to somehow take on new meaning. Every couple months you take some percieved slight and turn it into another misguided one man lunatic party. The forum hosts have done nothing to you. IK has done nothing to you. Cakewalk has done nothing to you but you seem addicted to this bizarre cycyle. Anyone who speaks up is labeled as being shills for " the man" and part of your imaginary problem. I don't want you to leave because I value your contributions when you are not in bat $#! T crazy mode, but either just leave already or stop hijacking threads into your personal manifestations of your delusional persecution complex.
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 15:31:42 (permalink)
Larry - have you ever been involved in writing, or do you intend to pursue a career in writing, tax literature for the IRS? You have the style down to a tee.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 16:26:58 (permalink)
Here's my once and for all disclaim. :P
 
Since I still use Z3ta - and until very recently used and would still be using Dimension Pro and Rapture if they were ported to a more recent OS, I don't feel there's anything out of place in my being an active member here. 
 
Nowhere is it stated that certain parts of the forum are reserved exclusively to users of products and that people who use Cakewalk instruments should be granted access to nothing but the Instruments forum.
 
I do not badmouth Cakewalk products - as a matter of fact, I'm once again toying with the idea of Bootcamp + Sonar on my MacBook. To be honest, what really keeps me from it has a lot more to do with Windows than Cakewalk. Messing with drivers and all is not something I'm anxious to get back to after 4 years of peace of mind.
 
The post was about VCA hosts, and my posting was totally pertinent. Unlike some sarcastic and pointless remarks about my being here which really contribute nothing...
 
Anyway, I've been hanging here since the very beginning of these forums - and on the old Newsgroup before that. That doesn't give me any privilege, but it means that there's a community and people I care for around here, some people I consider friends, as odd as it may sound.
 
As a matter of fact, I've said it loud and clear before that I'm very grateful to Cakewalk for bearing with me even at a time where I didn't use any of their products. I felt it was a privilege and tried to behave accordingly 9most of the time, anyway).
 
So if anyone has a problem with that, let them... :)
 
EDIT - I wrote that for me, but Dave has been around forever as well and always behaved like a true gentleman.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 16:32:30 (permalink)
Neither rain or modbod did anything wrong. This forum is is specifically for non-cakewalk products. It's Larry's "I'm gone but will take cowardly potshots in random threads" silliness I was addressing. It's a total **** move.
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 16:36:42 (permalink)
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Neither rain or modbod did anything wrong. This forum is is specifically for non-cakewalk products. It's Larry's "I'm gone but will take cowardly potshots in random threads" silliness I was addressing. It's a total **** move.




Yup - no worries, I totally got that. It was the  "....and write about it on the Cakewalk forum." comment posted earlier that made me react.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 17:50:46 (permalink)
This gets kicked about a bit. Brandon Ryan was totally against other daws being discussed. Yes, I know, he is gone now. I just found modbods comment very strange and passed comment.

Would it be OK To start up multiple Logic support threads in this part of the forum? Maybe I should have started a thread in forum discussion except I wouldn't because it might hurt poor little rain's feelings :)
 
edit: in retrospect I should have just ignored it. 
post edited by backwoods - 2014/12/16 18:07:23
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/16 18:25:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2014/12/16 18:20:59
backwoods
It might hurt poor little rain's feelings :)

 
Don't care about you personally or what you think, pal. All I know is that taking shots at fellow forums members and making discourteous remark puts you in a pretty bad spot to comment on anyones behaviour on this forum.
 
 
If reading my post annoys you, speak to a mod or host. If you prefer to ****, at least do yourself the favour of owning it and don't try to use an ex-employee's alleged opinions to justify your derogatory remarks. 
 
Seriously, the Forum software would have been the proper place to address your concerns. Go ahead and be my guest if you want to formally address the issue you seem to have over there. 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 01:53:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2014/12/17 07:35:34
I'm a host, I'm reading this, and can read that the description of this thread is "Discussion focused on non-Cakewalk music software." I think it's important to differentiate between people who use Cakewalk and other software, and those who don't use Cakewalk software. If someone has nothing to do with Cakewalk software and comes into Cakewalk forums to discuss other software, at best that seems peculiar, and at worst, downright rude.
 
However, there are plenty of people who believe in "the right tool for the right job." Just because SONAR is the right tool for me most of the time doesn't preclude using other software. I just finished mastering an album in a combination of Wavelab, Sound Forge, and yes, SONAR because it could do things the others didn't do very efficiently. Then I assembled it in Studio One Pro, which has replaced CD Architect in my toolbox. All of those programs are of interest to me. For live performance, it's Ableton Live for the DJ-type stuff and SONAR when hosting hex processing for live guitar. For pureplay DJ applications, it's Traktor but I use Ableton Live and SONAR to prep songs for compatibility with Traktor. All the loops I assemble for use in Live are created in SONAR. Reason loves to be rewired into SONAR, and I can't create REX files without ReCycle. And sometimes I have to track in Pro Tools but that doesn't prevent me from transferring the WAV files to SONAR so I can mix in an environment I prefer. And Mixcraft is a fine needledrop music generator because they include so much content...
 
What I absolutely refuse to get into is adopting some attitude that because I use some particular program, I'm better or know more than people who don't. Yes, SONAR is by far the program that gets the most use in my studio, but the other ones have valid purposes...I don't play just one guitar, either.
 
And think of it from Cakewalk's perspective: I have just about every DAW in the universe installed on either my Windows or Mac computers, yet SONAR is my first choice. The fact that I am conversant with all these programs, and could run a session on any of them, means that I use SONAR not because I don't know anything else but because I know exactly what it offers compared to everything else out there.
 
All I can say with certainty is that SONAR meets my needs best. Period. Other programs fit other peoples' needs...if you want to do 4-point broadcast edits, then you'd better pony up the money for Sequoia because nothing else really does the job. But I don't have to do 4-point broadcast edits. 
 
It's also good to know what's in other programs because often, there are some good ideas in them that, with a little thought, can be implemented in SONAR (like varispeed). And I thought Dave's opening comment was a lot more about the fad du jour than any kind of plug for Samplitude or slam on SONAR. 
 
It's all good. The bottom line is that SONAR is doing very well and picking up a lot of new users, so people are voting with their wallets...and those votes are much more meaningful than the votes in the "vote for your favorite DAW!!" polls. In my experience, the folks at Cakewalk are more challenged by competition than afraid of it - and I can say that for several other software companies as well. Most of these companies have genuine respect for each other, because they know how difficult it is to pull off making products like this.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 07:52:09 (permalink)
As a host I am going to watch this thread only to make sure no one crosses the line and attacks anyone. So far things have been just mildly fractious. Turn down the volume a little if you all want to keep this an open thread.
 
As a member I like Rain and his posts. They are informative and well written. Modbod is an old friend. He goes back a long way and as far as I am concerned he will always be very welcomed here or on any forum he chooses to be on.
 
To the larger issue.  It is clear this is the right place to post information about software that is not developed by CW.
 
Modbod has done nothing wrong nor has Rain.  
 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 09:35:45 (permalink)
Gawd, I love a good slobber-knocker of a thread! 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 10:07:39 (permalink)
Just FYI, though I don't use Sonar right now, I had used it for years. I bought Overloud's Mark Studio based on a review in this forum and love it. Then I saw a ridiculously low price on another Overloud package in the Cakewalk store and bought that. I probably wouldn't have known about it if I didn't scan this forum. So, there is some value for Cakewalk in attracting non-Sonar users here.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 17:47:31 (permalink)
Very interesting responses. Personally, I don't think people who don't even use Sonar should be allowed to discuss other DAWs here. It is a little different for ModBod because he does actually own the program. I have discussed Ableton and Nuendo on these forums myself because I have owned them at previous times (Still own and use Ableton). 
 
ORIGINAL: Greg Hendershott [Cakewalk]

Hi, Jason.

About this thread:

I don't mind people talking about competitive products on our forums. Obviously it happens all the time here. But this thread is turning into discussing detailed feature wish lists for Reaper. Would you all mind taking this elsewhere? I'd appreciate that.

By the way, I started Cakewalk as one guy with $4,000 of friends and family financing. I wrote the code, I packed boxes, I did tech support on the phone. I somehow sold enough to keep going, and it slowly grew over the years. I enjoyed those early days when it was just me writing the code. So I think I understand what you're doing, and why, because I did it all myself almost 20 years ago. It's a lot of fun, and I wish you luck pursuing it as long as it's still fun for you.

Again good luck, and I'll look forward to reading more of your thoughts ... elsewhere. :-)

Thanks.

Cheers,

Greg Hendershott
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Cakewalk



Whoa.

Let me set something straight. My name is Jason Brian Merrill, the same as my nick -- 

I AM NOT THE DEVELOPER OR AM CONNECTED WITH REAPER IN ANY SENSE

I am a user of Reaper. Formerly of Samplitude 8.31

Justin Frankel ( i think thats it ) is the main coder, along with a couple of other ppl. I am just someone who has contributed to *some* ideas and thoughts regarding it. 

I came here talking about Reaper in response to some interest and erroneous thoughts regarding it. IMMEDITATELY i posted links to more relevant places to discuss it. If the regulars here cant help but continue to discuss/criticize, that ISNT my problem.

Anyway, I have withheld my comments regarding sonar (a host i have tried) and have not criticized anyone here... 

and the last thing i did was ask a question regarding sonars handling of tempo changes.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 18:38:47 (permalink)
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Personally, I don't think people who don't even use Sonar should be allowed to discuss other DAWs here. It is a little different for ModBod because he does actually own the program.



Okay, so that leaves me. Good! :)
 
The good thing is that your personal opinion is 100% irrelevant - no matter which former employee or CEO you quote.
 
All the quotes one needs to care for are in this very thread, as the mods have made themselves clear.
 
From there on, the one participant in this thread who's abusing their privilege is yourself. You've been hinted to that effect by those same mods. 
 
Furthermore, there's actually a forum created especially to debate such a point. But you keep hijacking this thread.
 
There isn't even a debate. Not only is this forum is open to all, but I'm actually a registered customer.
 
You don't like it, it's too bad for you. 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 18:45:33 (permalink)
Yep. I bet I could even get the rules changed if I wanted to, by clogging up the software forum with threads about other DAWs but I wouldn't do that. I gave an opinion and you are freaked out. 
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 18:52:04 (permalink)
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Yep. I bet I could even get the rules changed if I wanted to, by clogging up the software forum with threads about other DAWs but I wouldn't do that. I gave an opinion and you are freaked out. 




From the moment you point your finger at me saying that I shouldn't be allowed here, I feel welcome to call you on it. Whether you call that freaking out is irrelevant. 
 
The mods have already gave their blessings to this threads and to its participants, very explicitly. In effect, you are clogging this forum by making it about you and how you think things should be.
 
99% of the posts on this forum are plug-in related. In fact, the latest thread about another DAW was created by Mr. Anderton.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 18:57:21 (permalink)
I'm not saying you shouldn't be here at all. I am saying you shouldn't be allowed to talk about other DAWs if you don't even use Cakewalk's DAW. Big difference. Anderton uses Sonar.
 
Yiou could still post all your poictures about yourself and whatnot for the pleasure of the community. 
 
I  already said I shouldn't have made that flippant aside earlier and I apologize tpo modbod for that it was out of order.
 
anyway, for the sake of peace and quiet I will bow out now.
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 19:07:40 (permalink)
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I'm not saying you shouldn't be here at all. I am saying you shouldn't be allowed to talk about other DAWs if you don't even use Cakewalk's DAW. Big difference. Anderton uses Sonar.
 
Yiou could still post all your poictures about yourself and whatnot for the pleasure of the community. 
 
I  already said I shouldn't have made that flippant aside earlier and I apologize tpo modbod for that it was out of order.




Well, thankfully, your totalitarian point of view doesn't get a say in it and you don't get to decide who talks about what.
 
That you apologize to Dave is nice but it doesn't make up for your ****ing remarks about me, you self-righteous attitude and your dismissive tone in regards to my posts.
 
Funny that me posting pics "for the pleasure of the community" annoys you so much when you'd have an entire forum set to follow your own dictatorship of who says what where. Speaking of being self-centered...
 
I cordially invite you to block me if my posts and the pictures I post because I annoy you. That's the grown up thing to do, because my posts do not infringe the TOS, and many people seem to like to interact. I have many good friends around here and I'm not about to change the content of my posts and the nature of my online friendship with them to please you.

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 20:25:48 (permalink)
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If someone has nothing to do with Cakewalk software and comes into Cakewalk forums to discuss other software, at best that seems peculiar, and at worst, downright rude.



It's not at all peculiar or rude, at least in the case of some of us, IMO.  SONAR was my primary DAW for some time.  But it no longer is (and I didn't buy the X3 upgrade).  That doesn't mean that I won't return to SONAR at some point, but I'm making essentially zero use of it at the moment.
 
However, in the all the time I did use SONAR and spent much time here, I got to know a number of folks who, although we've never met face to face, I regard as old friends.  Coming to the CW forum, and the Software forum in particular, is usually one of the more pleasant activities of the day.
 
So, I may be taking a bit of advantage of CW's generosity in coming to this forum, but hopefully I occasionally contribute something useful to others here that "pays for my board".  I'd really be stung if the consensus opinion was that that kind of behavior exemplified rudeness.  I'm pretty sure there are at least a handful of other regulars who are pretty much in the same boat.
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 20:43:05 (permalink)
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99% of the posts on this forum are plug-in related. In fact, the latest thread about another DAW was created by Mr. Anderton.



Actually it was about Vegas, a video editing program, which is at least for now not competitive with SONAR. Nor do I "bless" this thread; I don't object to it or think it's great. It's a freakin' thread in an internet forum. I thought the main point of this thread was about the usefulness, or lack therefore, of whatever the VCA thing is.
 
Personally, I would never go into a forum for software I don't use or own, any more than I would crash a party where I didn't know the host. 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 20:49:36 (permalink)
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If someone has nothing to do with Cakewalk software and comes into Cakewalk forums to discuss other software, at best that seems peculiar, and at worst, downright rude.



It's not at all peculiar or rude, at least in the case of some of us, IMO.  SONAR was my primary DAW for some time.  But it no longer is (and I didn't buy the X3 upgrade).  That doesn't mean that I won't return to SONAR at some point, but I'm making essentially zero use of it at the moment.
 
However, in the all the time I did use SONAR and spent much time here, I got to know a number of folks who, although we've never met face to face, I regard as old friends.  Coming to the CW forum, and the Software forum in particular, is usually one of the more pleasant activities of the day.
 
So, I may be taking a bit of advantage of CW's generosity in coming to this forum, but hopefully I occasionally contribute something useful to others here that "pays for my board".  I'd really be stung if the consensus opinion was that that kind of behavior exemplified rudeness.  I'm pretty sure there are at least a handful of other regulars who are pretty much in the same boat.



But you've just proven my point - you DO have something to do with Cakewalk software. You've used it, you've participated in the forums, you know people here, and of course, one day you'll come to your senses and go back to using SONAR full-time. 
 
True, and recent, story: I have a friend who works at another company in the industry. He was a SONAR user but jumped off around 8.5. Well, he wanted to test a plug-in the company makes with X3, so I set him up with a copy for testing. A few days later, he sent me an email and said "What was I thinking?!?!? I've gotten more done in the past few days with SONAR then in the last few months of using [DAW I am enough of a gentleman not to mention]!!" Oh, and the plug-in works fine. 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/17 23:24:00 (permalink)
I have noticed for myself that I actually get a lot out of the people here on the forum that use multiple top tier DAW's
it could be that they may already have the wisdom to know the difference  …..
need I say more ? 
 
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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/18 06:27:40 (permalink)
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But you've just proven my point - you DO have something to do with Cakewalk software. You've used it, you've participated in the forums, you know people here, and of course, one day you'll come to your senses and go back to using SONAR full-time. 


 
I don't know of anyone involved in this thread who has nothing to do w/ Cakewalk software. For the record, my first DAW was Guitar Studio, way back in 99 or 2k. It's still not entirely out of the question that I install Sonar X on my laptop, even just for the sake of retrieving old projects.
 
Though I have moved to a different platform altogether in 2010, I'm still occasionally helping out people who are starting out making music on their PC w/ Sonar. Because I know the basics and I've read the old manual countless times, and hanged around here for so long. I may not be entirely up to date, but I still have a background to assist them.
 
As a matter of fact, I don't know how many buddies like that I've turned onto Sonar in the last 10 or 12 years. 
 
When I have questions about Logic, I look up in the manual, watch a tutorial or go to the Logic forum. Pro Tools, same thing.  Me, I come here mainly for the Software, Deals and Coffee House, and occasionally Instruments. None of that is exclusive.
 
I really don't see what's odd in anyone hanging around here even if they're using nothing but Cakewalk's LA-2A plug-in. 
 
There are some very knowledgeable folks hanging in many of the sub-forums here, people I'm glad to know I can ask questions too even though we're not using the same DAW. 
 

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Re: Another DAW upgrade with VCA - Samplitude Pro X2 2014/12/18 06:39:11 (permalink)
Personally, if this gestapo like attitude of not mentioning other products that many of us have and use just so we can continue to contribute to a Cakewalk forum about music software in general, were to drive the likes of Rain away, firstly this forum would be demonstrably devalued and secondly I think MANY people would give up on it. period
What has got into people - this is a forum where other software is discussed, is it not.
This is only of BENEFIT to Cakewalk and Cakewalk users. If something like VCA is discussed,  it can only be a good thing, surely?
I had a horrible feeling when the reorganization and hosts etc were recently introduced that it would be a bad thing - seems my fears may well have been  correct.

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