Another Lost Opportunity for Sonar?

meh..  it all depends on how you look at it.   For example, "its not a lost opportunity for Cakewalk, if they find it is better for them to: streamline the product, for ease of use, and expansion of the user base."  Sure..  They might loose a client here and there who is, "absolutely going to have notation their way or highway."

I hate to tell you..   its got to be <3% of all music producers, who actually read sheet music and use, "notation."

I'm not sure of the <3% of "all music producers" - I would have to call you on that LP and ask where you got that statistic?

I would love for cakewalk to improve their notation.  I use notation all the time myself, but I rarely use sonar's notation any more.  I used to use it when I first started using cakewalk gold that came with a Soundblaster Live! soundcard and then I still continued to use it in sonar when I upgraded to Home Studio and Sonar 4.  

After that, however, I became frustrated with sonar's lack of functionality in the notation department and I bought Finale.  with the exception of minor edits of MIDI tracks I haven't used sonar's notation since.  most MIDI edits I don't even do in "Staff View" in sonar now, either, typically I go to the PRV for edits inside Sonar.

but for true notation - Finale.  never sonar.

47% of Sonar users just want stuff and things.

So I've heard.

Cakewalk can't be concerned with them.

So I've heard.

bapu


47% of Sonar users just want stuff and things.

So I've heard.

Cakewalk can't be concerned with them.

So I've heard.

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craigb

I use Notepad for notation.
　
　
did anyone mention it's FREE at Finale.Com
a nice introduction into notation/theory

Jim it is really very simple to me.

If they are going to include a function then it should work. The better it works the better
off everybody is.
The performance level of all functions reflects only on them....including third party inclusions or "gifts.

What a user can do with what they offer reflects on the user....I don't complain much about X2 :)

Actually, this was a lost opportunity for Cakewalk:

http://www.trademarkia.com/overture-74391204.html


Are you suggesting that a company that sold an unprofitable dedicated notation software program, should have bought an unprofitable notation software enterprise. Or did you mean that they should have hired the staff of a failed notation software enterprise to try to create a first class notation feature in a product they have had some success with.


I have always wondered if the poor notation features in Cakewalk's products was the result of a non-compete clause that might have been signed when they sold Overture. It seems more likely that they just have no interest in competing, which given the demise of one of the powerhouse notation products may have been a wise idea. Most people here probably do not even remember that Cakewalk was a pioneer in notation software.

I don't know Jim....it's a tough call really. It's like, if say Sonar has a user base of 800,000 users. If 200 of them make a mention on the forum (which I don't even know if it's that high) do you go through the pains to improve it? Depends on who's driving the bus I suppose.

For me personally, I read music and have no problems doing what I need to do in Sonar using it's staff view. What I write is what I get. What I print is what I read. Maybe there are other companies that have an easier way to do thing or whatever. I can't say as I've never used anything in that regard other than Sonar for that to compare.

Let's look at something else. Video editing. It's probably next in line to notation as the video part of Sonar is nearly useless for me. However, if we revert back to my first sentence....there's probably 100 people that wish for better video editing capabilities in Sonar...so it's even less of a chance for something to be done. If Sonar isn't made to be a notation editor or a more powerful video editor, I guess we just have to chalk it up that the company is not interested in providing that functionality or the majority of it's user base or business model doesn't see a need.

I'm really not upset by any of it to be honest. I just use another program. Look at mastering. I can master in Sonar, but I can't set up an album in Sonar like I can Wave Lab or Studio One. As powerful as Sonar is, I also can't edit in it like I can Adobe Audition...which to me is STILL one of the most under-rated programs for editing of all time. I would think those two things are pretty important in Sonar yet I'd have an easier time getting pregnant than hoping they would appear in the program someday.

I'm happy with it having a little of everything with it's shining elements being mixing and some pretty powerful, stock plugins. The other stuff...I just use the programs I need to get the job done. Studio One 2 has some really great all in one functions. But even there, some of the formats are a bit weird so though it has loads of power, I still change to other programs that are easier and faster for me to use. It all depends what your needs are I guess. :)

-Danny

Beepster

craigb


I use Notepad for notation.

Funnily enough when I am writing lessons I use notepad. I have a bunch of templates for tab and fretboard diagrams and have a plan to create rudimentary notation to show scales and chords on the staff. The only real limitation is dealing with the various note lengths but that can easily be solved by using numbers instead of traditional notation characters. I'm also assuming that if I dug into my character maps I could find the symbols I need or suitable replacements.

/dork

About 10 years ago I was doing a lot of guitar transcribing for internet tab sites and I used a freeware program to enter the tab and export to ascii in the standard ascii tab format that you see online. I think it was Power Tab or something like that. 

Beepster

Now one question I have about that Finale Notepad thingy... It looks like it exports MIDI files. Has anyone tried writing stuff and importing it to Sonar? Does it work well for more intricate stuff?

I would imagine it would work fine for doing that...just a matter of dragging the exported clips into the track pane from the browser. I might try it tonight. I should think any Finale-based notation software is going to be capable of whatever you throw at it notation-wise. 

bapu


47% of Sonar users just want stuff and things.

So I've heard.

Cakewalk can't be concerned with them.

So I've heard.

LSHS&TCOMN  


Mike