Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Another Windows 10 optimization
FASTER BOOT – SMALLER MEMORY FOOTPRINTOne of lesser known but great improvements in Windows 10 is its smaller memory footprint compared to earlier OS’s and the fact that it does smart compression. This reclaimed memory is now available to other applications. Check out this link from the windows team to see how this was achieved.Additionally Windows 10 boots much faster due to a combination of optimization techniques. These improvements can make Windows 10 actually work better on even older PC’s as reported in this article that recommends Windows 10. I updated the Windows 10 blog post with this. Having upgraded 3 machines to Windows 10 this weekend I can attest to the faster boot. Its interesting that their work on making Windows 10 scale to mobile platforms has benefits to the desktop OS as well. My upgrades went pretty smooth - from a 7 year old core I7 to a 3 year old Lenovo Yoga, through my newest machine. Very impressive that even an older PC performs better under Win 10 than it did in Win 8. I did run into a snag where the Lenovo was prompting for a product key during the update but wouldn't accept the product kwy I entered, which had me scratching my head for awhile. It turned out that the Media Creation Tool USB drive image I had used was for Windows 8.1 pro and that machine only had Windows 8.1. I did the update using a proper image and it worked fine. I did have to reinstall my MOTU Midi drivers and 828 firewire audio. I also updated my RME drivers and had to reboot once for everything to be recognized. Overall the OS is a huge improvement without the annoying metro divide and simpler search. I've even been using Cortana and it works great. Very impressive how good the voice recognition is even from across a room even with long sentences. I've been having fun saying "Hi Cortana, open SONAR" :) Apparently she is DAW agnostic - when I asked if she liked SONAR she said "Sorry chief, with few exceptions, I don't do opinions" lol.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 18:43:17
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Thanks for the info and review...
My laptop with 8.0 keeps failing to update to 8.1 and won't yield the win10 update...
My DAW with win7pro shows the update abailable, but as Im running under bootcamp there im gonna wait.. Esprcially as allowing auto-updates is jot currently a realuty for me...
So i will continue to keep tabs on this stuff...
Thanks again Noel!
Keni
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:03:53
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Thanks for the info Noel. I am going to do the update this week with the Media Creation Tool as I am going to enlarge the two partitions on the first drive. I did have three, but wanted to give Windows (C) and my Programs (D) more room.
Do you think I will run into trouble by having a blank disk drive to begin with after the new partitions are installed? I have my 8.1 key in case, just hoping it will do the install/update without having to use it. I could always do a reinstall of 8.1 and upgrade from there.
Thanks, Clint
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:21:00
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Keni
Thanks for the info and review...
My laptop with 8.0 keeps failing to update to 8.1 and won't yield the win10 update...
My DAW with win7pro shows the update abailable, but as Im running under bootcamp there im gonna wait.. Esprcially as allowing auto-updates is jot currently a realuty for me...
So i will continue to keep tabs on this stuff...
Thanks again Noel!
Keni
FWIW I skipped 8.1 & updated from 8.0 to 10 using the download tool here- http://www.microsoft.com/...are-download/windows10
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:32:38
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SECURITY ALERT WINDOWS 10!! It is easy to get excited about new stuff; however, if you are thinking about taking the plunge into Windows 10 make sure you allow time for optimisation as per Noel's suggestions and even more time to secure your computer. Win10 has a number of new features and capabilities which will share your info and computer automatically. Many of these are set to the least secure settings when you first install it. Microsoft has adopted more of an "Android approach" with Win 10, they appear to see more value in gathering your information than in selling software. Here are a couple of links to get you started, but there are many more settings you will need to consider as well. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/windows-10-may-share-wi-164057617.html http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-turn-off-windows-10-wi-fi-sense-2015-7 Best of luck to all you Post-Release Beta Testers for MS and CW. I have retained Win 7 on my DAW computer and have been playing with Win 10 for the past few months on a small notebook. R
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:42:29
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I did the straight upgrade from Win 8.1 Pro x64 to Win 10 Pro x64. Overall, a positive OS upgrade experience. I agree, I am finding Win 10 to be extremely stable and performing quite well. Faster boot times and better low latency performance are a couple that come to mind. I am finding Splat projects that would play fine @ 64 ASIO buffers but crackle @ 32, now play crackle free at 32. "Hey Cortana, open SONAR"........so we now our own built in recording studio assistant! 
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:44:41
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Noel -
It sounds like .iso or install media that is created on a specific version of Windows is tied to upgrading that specific version. Is that right?
If so, I should label my install DVD as "Appropriate for upgrading Windows 7 Pro only!"
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:47:41
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Do you think I will run into trouble by having a blank disk drive to begin with after the new partitions are installed? I have my 8.1 key in case, just hoping it will do the install/update without having to use it. I could always do a reinstall of 8.1 and upgrade from there.
I read in this thread that you had to do an upgrade install first and then do a clean install later. However I didn't do a clean install so don't have any experience with this approach.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 19:57:51
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SECURITY ALERT WINDOWS 10!!
It is easy to get excited about new stuff; however, if you are thinking about taking the plunge into Windows 10 make sure you allow time for optimisation as per Noel's suggestions and even more time to secure your computer. I'm not that paranoid about privacy personally. Microsoft has a lot at stake and even has an official opt out website. You can also run with a local account and avoid a Microsoft account login if you don't wish to share anything.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 20:00:52
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stickman393
Noel -
It sounds like .iso or install media that is created on a specific version of Windows is tied to upgrading that specific version. Is that right?
If so, I should label my install DVD as "Appropriate for upgrading Windows 7 Pro only!"
Yes, that was not that obvious to me as well and the error messages are misleading to say the least. The installer doesn't check for the Windows version and complain but fails to authenticate the product key! So if you want to upgrade win 7 make a sep media for that to avoid confusion.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 20:45:52
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I upgraded yesterday from 8.1 pro to 10 pro. I had zero issues (knock on wood). There is another feature in Win 10 that might be useful - a built in screen recorder (Win + G). I was able to record Sonar's screen and ASIO audio (by using VoiceMeeter). Quality is pretty good.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/02 20:55:53
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RD9
SECURITY ALERT WINDOWS 10!!
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http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-turn-off-windows-10-wi-fi-sense-2015-7
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When I went through the upgrade process, I thought I took care of this. But, to check, I followed the instructions in the link above and was surprised, and disappointed, to see it set to ON. So, I switched it off, but better even, I went to the Manage adapter settings and disabled Dell's built-in WiFi. I neither need it nor want it on my desktop.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 02:46:05
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Additionally Windows 10 boots much faster due to a combination of optimization techniques. These improvements can make Windows 10 actually work better on even older PC’s as reported in this article that recommends Windows 10.
Isn't it like this anytime we get a new Windows version? It boots faster than the last one ... but then the regular windows updates kick in and a few months later it's definitely slower ... ???
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 03:00:11
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Additionally Windows 10 boots much faster due to a combination of optimization techniques. These improvements can make Windows 10 actually work better on even older PC’s as reported in this article that recommends Windows 10.
Isn't it like this anytime we get a new Windows version? It boots faster than the last one ... but then the regular windows updates kick in and a few months later it's definitely slower ... ???
In my experience window 8/8.1 has always booted faster except for the first boot after an update or if the computer lost power and it knew the previous shutdown was unexpected. In those cases it takes longer than usual to boot as it checks things to make sure all is well.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 04:18:57
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Additionally Windows 10 boots much faster due to a combination of optimization techniques. These improvements can make Windows 10 actually work better on even older PC’s as reported in this article that recommends Windows 10.
Isn't it like this anytime we get a new Windows version? It boots faster than the last one ... but then the regular windows updates kick in and a few months later it's definitely slower ... ???
Perhaps you're just waiting faster.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 04:22:54
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Hmm. I relied to this thread earlier and it disappeared. I still have the icon showing that I posted but I can't see my post.
I just upgraded to windows 10 on this computer and I am using Firefox for the Browser.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 04:27:30
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I tried to post to this thread twice before using firefox on window 10 and nothing happens.
This time I will try using Edge.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 04:42:22
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I tried to reply earlier but its not working since I installed windows 10.
I just enabled the location setting since perhaps it is a timestamp issue.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 06:48:04
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kevinwal
FreeFlyBertl
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Additionally Windows 10 boots much faster due to a combination of optimization techniques. These improvements can make Windows 10 actually work better on even older PC’s as reported in this article that recommends Windows 10.
Isn't it like this anytime we get a new Windows version? It boots faster than the last one ... but then the regular windows updates kick in and a few months later it's definitely slower ... ???
Perhaps you're just waiting faster.
yeah possibly ... all that fast food makes it hard for me to slow down
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 06:54:48
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Tom I restored one of your posts. For some reason the forum thinks every one of your posts is spam and is blocking it. Perhaps its something in your sig or your IP is blacklisted for some reason by the spam filter - I don't know.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 08:37:44
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 08:42:46
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Thanks I'll try now to post using a vpn to Houston.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 09:21:47
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Thanks for the info Noel. I decided to upgrade to Win 10 first, then do the partition size change and then a clean install of Win 10. In past I did a clean install of Win 7, then an upgrade to 8 and then another upgrade to 8.1. I want to have a clean install of Win 10 even though I have to reinstall all my programs, settings, etc.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 11:32:18
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I'd like to extend a thanks to Noel and everybody else who's been sending dispatches back from the Bleeding Edge. Your pain will benefit those of us who come after.
Good to know Win10 benefits older computers, as I'll be installing it on my 8-year-old laptop first as a trial.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 11:45:20
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I have installed Windows 10 on two computers one a laptop and the other a tablet. In both cases it went smoothly.
I was part of the preview program using the tablet. I have not updated my desktop yet and may not. Over all Windows 10 is a good worthwhile update.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 11:55:12
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RD9
SECURITY ALERT WINDOWS 10!!
It is easy to get excited about new stuff; however, if you are thinking about taking the plunge into Windows 10 make sure you allow time for optimisation as per Noel's suggestions and even more time to secure your computer. Win10 has a number of new features and capabilities which will share your info and computer automatically. Many of these are set to the least secure settings when you first install it. Microsoft has adopted more of an "Android approach" with Win 10, they appear to see more value in gathering your information than in selling software. Here are a couple of links to get you started, but there are many more settings you will need to consider as well.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/windows-10-may-share-wi-164057617.html
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-turn-off-windows-10-wi-fi-sense-2015-7
Best of luck to all you Post-Release Beta Testers for MS and CW. I have retained Win 7 on my DAW computer and have been playing with Win 10 for the past few months on a small notebook.
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Thanks for that RD9. I will definitely check those out. I just "love" how companies think they are entitled to skim every ounce of data about you. I will definitely be figuring out to lock down WinX before installing.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 12:07:34
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FCCfirstclass
Thanks for the info Noel. I am going to do the update this week with the Media Creation Tool as I am going to enlarge the two partitions on the first drive. I did have three, but wanted to give Windows (C) and my Programs (D) more room.
Do you think I will run into trouble by having a blank disk drive to begin with after the new partitions are installed? I have my 8.1 key in case, just hoping it will do the install/update without having to use it. I could always do a reinstall of 8.1 and upgrade from there.
Thanks, Clint
You must install W10 as an upgrade. This is how your W10 is registered. Copy the key and then you can do a clean install.
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 17:36:38
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I tested my printer and scanner drivers with the preview on a virtual machine - they worked.
Then I took the ultimate plunge and upgraded my main DAW - again it worked!
My main DAW had also built up a lot of rubbish over the years, so I took the plunge and clean installed - again it worked!
Less than 24 hours later I was able to have a productive recording session. The Roland Quad capture was stable and the only thing missing was BFD because of the sheer number of disks to re-install. Working on that now!
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 20:02:02
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Re: Another Windows 10 optimization
2015/08/03 20:12:27
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
RD9
SECURITY ALERT WINDOWS 10!!
It is easy to get excited about new stuff; however, if you are thinking about taking the plunge into Windows 10 make sure you allow time for optimisation as per Noel's suggestions and even more time to secure your computer.
I'm not that paranoid about privacy personally. Microsoft has a lot at stake and even has an official opt out website.
You can also run with a local account and avoid a Microsoft account login if you don't wish to share anything.
Thanks for the advice on the opt out website. Also, please note that the issues that the experts are referring to are not just the usual "personal data" issues; they are a bit more subtle than that. To illustrate this I offer the following example where Win 10 may expose one's wireless connection to poaching. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2943636/mobile-wireless/wifi-passwordsharing-feature-in-windows-10-raises-security-concerns.html My post was just a friendly reminder to my Forum Friends that the philosophy behind Win 10 appears to be a bit different than what we are used to from MS. A sort of Public Service Announcement. By the way, did you just surreptitiously diagnose me as paranoid!  This brings to mind the famous quote by Frank Burns on Mash; "I am only paranoid because everyone is out to get me!" My favourite quote on paranoia, though, is one attributed to S. McGuire; "Call me paranoid. I'm frequently right". Cheers, R
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