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2012/06/07 11:22:45 (permalink)

Another Work Thread

Hi,
 
There are a couple of things in my life that I have not "finished" because things got stuck along the way.
 
1. The film I made - description on the other thread, was not finished. I never got to sync the sound to the film, as I spent a week in bed sick during the days leading up to the final. The worse part in the film, was that I had Kevin Ayers ok to use his work, but Ray Manazarek killed it for me by not allowing me to use the little piece from "American Prayer" about ... "has this dream stopped? ... " which I really wanted as a counter point to the whole thing.
 
It's really hard ... when you "see" things ... and the film world is about "compromise" and not anything but, and folks like Ray have spent more time killing dreams than helping them live!
 
For me it was the first "music video" I did ... and I have about 50 of these written down as poems or short stories right now, and hope to do them in the future. I did one for "Phaedra" (Tangerine Dream) but I think that many folks will think that it is some sort of pornography ... and thus I have never distributed it ... it was actually a take on a short film that showed up in one of those Erotic Film Festivals ... where you can see these things, and after 5 minutes of lusciousness and incredibly beautiful close ups, when the camera comes out ... it's a tangerine ... and I always thought this would be fun for Tangerine Dream, and of course ... "Phaedra" ... I did one for Peter Hammill's "The House with no door" and it is really a psychotropic experience on its own, and I'm not sure that it matches the song at all ... and there are others, with the most notable being 4 write ups for Djam Karet's instrumental music which to me is extremely visual. Heck, I had one write up for the CHB ... that could/would have followed the original Asparagus piece (intentionally mispelled!), and it was shot down so fast ... that I just shelved it ... I don't think Bapu or anyone else, even realized ... ohh wow ... he's done all this ... can we use it? I still believe it would have given the CHB an identify that was not illusory ... but that's me vision, not theirs and I am actually quite ok with it. I even searched out a couple of bars and places where I would have been able to shoot it. I had even talked to the NWFILM folks about using a Bolex to shoot it with. I was ready to go in debt for it ... fuccccme! ... you are such a liar and dreamer!
 
It's hard to share this with anyone. SPECIALLY here ... because the point of view of a film maker is another person's eye ... and what comes out is never what we expected ... it's close, but never the same. You can not duplicate your dream verbatim ... you get real close and some portions of it flow ... because if you were, you would have that inner/outer link for perception and the LAG between seeing and doing would not be so desperate and so immense that you can hardly figure out what to do, and have to ask everyone else for suggestions! Like these would change/update your vision ... more often than not ... it does not happen!
 
Live goes on ... I will try to make my inner life come alive in the radio thing ... I'm planning on doing all these on the radio and I don't know that I can succeed, but the flow of the music will be there at least. I'm not sure that I can do anything with it, but some Djam Karet is going to have poetry over it instead. Just different ways to bring the visual back into music instead of just lyrics or an idea about Minor or Major!

As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
  
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    Re:Another Work Thread 2012/06/07 11:41:17 (permalink)
    Best of luck with the film & radio plans!! (You'd be surprised at how many film buffs hang out here.)

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    Re:Another Work Thread 2012/06/07 11:54:58 (permalink)
    Have you ever tried to buff films Mesh?

    The end result is horrific.
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    Re:Another Work Thread 2012/06/07 12:15:13 (permalink)
    We've used poetry and readings a couple of times in our instrumentals, can be quite effective if it's not overdone.

    One example @ 2:33;

    All The King's Men



     
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    Re:Another Work Thread 2012/06/07 12:16:15 (permalink)
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    We've used poetry and readings a couple of times in our instrumentals, can be quite effective if it's not overdone.

    One example @ 2:33;

    All The King's Men

    A shameless gentlemanly plug.

    Well done!
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    Re:Another Work Thread 2012/06/07 12:21:46 (permalink)
    I stopped buffing and started using cross fades on clips.......just happens to be my expertise in that dept.  

    Here's a link: http://www.filmindustrynetwork.biz/how-to-create-a-professional-film-reel/6088

     

    Excessive cross fades

    Don’t use cross fades between clips. It looks amateur and it takes away the aesthetic of your images by making them look ‘cheap’. Try to create one clear cut promo with as few fades as possible. It needs to flow.

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    Re:Another Work Thread 2012/06/07 12:29:43 (permalink)
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    We've used poetry and readings a couple of times in our instrumentals, can be quite effective if it's not overdone.

    One example @ 2:33;

    All The King's Men

    On the Ygdrasil Journal of Poetic Arts, when I was one of the editors 11 years ago, I did an audio version of the magazine that was done in Real Audio when I had the stream license and server for it. It got a lot of hits and was heard, and had music by Anthony Phillips and Gilly Smith, by permission.
     
    One of the pieces in there was from a group/band in the East Coast called "Firemask" ... and I thought they were very good, although for my tastes, poetry in music has to sound like Peter Hammill or Jim Morrison when their wording is just flowing and flying ... but Klaus Gerken also did songs from his poetry, and one other lady had some unreal piano playing by a friend of hers to accompany her readings ... I have these on cassette and am looking to see if I can redo that thing again, but not sure I can ... or find the permissions for those folks again.
     
    All in all, for me ... it's not about the "reading", which it can be for some ... it's about the delivery of the words and sometimes it's like it doesn't matter if the music is there or not. It still lives and flows!
     
    If I can do half of that ... and Bapu not be that guy in the audience shouting rock'n'roll ... I'll be happy!
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2012/06/07 12:31:51

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