Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said

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2012/03/25 11:11:01 (permalink)

Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said

Been working on covering some of our early music influences for a project.    Here is another one we tried from the Revolver album.   We all really like this song and it was probably one of the earliest Beatles tunes to explore psychedlia.  Very different for the time and interestingly, McCartney never appeared on this one.   Two guitars, organ, bass, drums, vocals.  Simple.    Recorded with SONAR Producer 8.5.3, RME FF800, homebuilt PC, decent mics, Adam A7x's.
 
Please have a listen and see if you think the initial mix is okay.  Thanks!
 
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    Lynn
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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 11:49:34 (permalink)
    I love Beatle cover songs.  This one is well done and brings back fond memories.  As for the production, it's quite loud compared to most mp3 files I listen to, but not quite too much.  It still has some dynamic range, but you have to be careful so as not to take the life from the mix.  It's also fairly bright and lacking a bit of warmth.  On the plus side, the vocals and the performances are very good.  All in all, nice job.

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 14:39:56 (permalink)
    GREAT cover. Tones/verb of the guitars are spot on. KUDOS!

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 17:51:35 (permalink)
    Lynn - thanks for the listen and input!  The DigiCheck Totalyser is one of my favorite tools that came with the RME and I will double check the tonal balance again but it looks really well balanced on the spectrum analyzer, there's no errant high frequency energy displayed.   By the way, I also check individual tracks with it too.   I was going for a preference towards a "live" sound in this mix, the rms level is running -6dB usually for both channels.   In the Master buss I have a light touch of the LP-64 multiband compressor running.   I agree with you, I certainly don't want to squeeze the life out of the dynamics.   I try to tread lightly on this stuff.

    drumstixkev - thanks for the listen and kind words!   I used vintage stuff to get the guitar tone.   A '58 Tele for the lead and a '81 ES335-DOT for the Lennon guitar bit, both through Vox set on Top Boost... and I just mic'ed one of the Celestion 12's.  I just recorded them dry and added Reverb from PerfectSpace.

    We enjoy doing some of these old Beatle's tunes and believe it or not, the are still instructive.   We've recently done Doctor Robert off of Revolver too, that one turned out pretty well also but that's another thread. 
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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 20:34:05 (permalink)
    Hi dkbender, 
    Great job overall.  I love this song.  I think the frequencies are off a bit too.  Here's link to the original.  Check out the bass and compare to yours.  I think you are missing low mids and bottom to warm it up (this video is also YouTube and compressed).  Probably not hard to fix.  Love your work.

    Rimshot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlKIsg_XdkI




    post edited by Rimshot - 2012/03/25 20:37:28

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 21:07:49 (permalink)
    Rimshot - thanks for the listen!  Next chance I get, I'll play around with the bass EQ and see if I can add some roundness and warmth to what is there in the bass track.   The question is... where do you draw the line between sounding exactly like the original and doing it subtly your own way?   I guess this is more a rhetorical question because it really comes down to personal preference.   Truth is, our vocals are not exactly like John & George's either and there is no fix for that, that I know of.      All the best!
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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 21:15:12 (permalink)
    Hi dk, 
    You already reproduced the vocal sound and most guitars almost identical to the original so adding bass frequency at this point is not the issue.  In fact, if you did not go for the original sound and did your thing to it using today's sounds, it could be really nice!  Don't be afraid to widen the image, add some warmth and punch and see where it goes just for fun.  This forum is a great place to experiment because there are so many that listen and comment at whatever stage you are at. 

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/25 22:36:59 (permalink)
    Truth is, our vocals are not exactly like John & George's either and there is no fix for that, that I know of. 



    Bravo on the tune. Well done.


    As far as the vocals, I think you could do better. Sounds like, to me, that a lot of it was done in one pass as I could hear you running out of breath and getting tired. Take a break and treat each line with the respect that it deserves. I don't mean that in a bad way, just sayin, I think you can do it better (if that matters). All that aside, I enjoyed it muchly.... 

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/26 22:13:14 (permalink)
    Well done Beatles cover..............enjoyed !

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/27 03:30:48 (permalink)
    I'm always up for beatles covers, Rimshot is right, everything is spot on I'd buy it if it wasnt already a Beatle song but it's lacking bass and the mid high's make it a bit fatiguing.

    Fix that and it's perfect.

    man I wish I could do Beatle cove as well as this.

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/27 10:24:57 (permalink)
    timidi - I'm sure you're right, something can always be done better but we're already off working on 3 more of their songs already.   By the way, didn't run out of breath or fatigue... just how we sound.   Thanks for the kind words!
     
    Scoobie - I'm tickled that you enjoyed it!
     
    BenMMusTech - I'm going to try and bring up the warmth and add more roundness to the bass.   Re: the "mid highs", are you thinking in the 5KHz to 10KHz range?   Is it the cymbals?  What instrument?  Thank you for the encouragement!
     
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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/27 11:02:34 (permalink)
    No more the low mids, 1000khz to around 3000khz, take a big scoop out in that range but listen, even add a small boost in the upper mids.

    How do you master??

    remove with a low cut filter everything below, 40hz, this will allow you to bring up the 100hz range where all the warmth sits.

    Bosst with again, with a low-shelf filter at around 100hz by about three db, I know it sounds nuts and counter productive, but it works.

    At 8000khz, boost by 3db using a hi-shelf filter, pan around with a narrow PM EQ to find forment of the track this should be between 3000khz-5000khz.

    This is my EQ settings for mastering.

    But use your ears, I've just given you the rough formula.

    Before you do this check the bottom end instruments, are you using parallel compression on the drum?? this may not be necassary if you are using a fairchild emualtor and the softube knob.

    Also with the bass if it still sounds weak use the softube knob, if you dont have expanded use the tube emualtor that comes with X1.

    If none of this makes sence, ask me again here is what the bottom end should sound like: http://soundcloud.com/aaudiomystiks/nowandthen this is Now and Then, which is the lost threatles track.  I've used fairchild limiter emulator's (no parallel compresio, because of the fairchild limiter emulator and fake beatle bass and rings beat kit from session drummer.

    If you get confused (please don't take that the wrong way, I will try and help, working all day tommrow, so it may be thenext day before I can offer any more advice)

    Love Neb

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/27 11:11:04 (permalink)
    Oh and I forgot, Ringo used tea towls on all his drums and detuned them so they sounded more orchestral.

    Use a hi shelf filter and lower the EQ on the drums by about 3db until you can hear that sound alos if you can detune the drums by around 4 cent's as they call it in Session Drummer three, i think you call it, don't have toys with me so, don't quote me on the 4 cents figure.

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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/27 15:56:42 (permalink)
    I EQ'ed the bass to make it more round & warmer.  I also worked on the kick EQ and level.   Additionally, I put in a -1.5dB cut inbetween 1KHz and 3KHz.
     
    The drums are real in this track so no detuning or tea towels, I did damp the snare though with a weight taped to the skin and the kick was stuffed with a blanket. 
     
    Thanks for the help so far!   See what you think of it now. 
     
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    post edited by dkbender - 2012/03/27 15:59:43
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    Re:Another cover for our project... She Said, She Said 2012/03/27 20:18:36 (permalink)
    Well donr brother!!

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