Another dissatisfied customer...

the idea that HH samples sound different in X1 than they did in 8.5 is silly.  the idea that they also sound different in 8.5 since u installed X1 is even more ridiculous.  OHH samples almost always sound bad to my ear.  maybe u r just realizing now how cheezy those samples can sound.  your other beefs are legit and should be reported.

I haven't even touched the surface of writing new material in X1 yet

Oh lol you wait.. you wait and see..

ba_midi

1. Lost the ability to quick group selected tracks, or tracks which are not adjacent.

 
There is a new method to creating quick groups in X1.  You hold the CTRL key while clicking on the track # to create the QG.  Then continue to hold CTRL while adjusting any of the qg's tracks functions.
 
 

Thanks ba_midi - I continue to learn, learn, learn

the idea that HH samples sound different in X1 than they did in 8.5 is silly.  the idea that they also sound different in 8.5 since u installed X1 is even more ridiculous.  OHH samples almost always sound bad to my ear.  maybe u r just realizing now how cheezy those samples can sound.  your other beefs are legit and should be reported.

Crush

I haven't even touched the surface of writing new material in X1 yet

Oh lol you wait.. you wait and see..

Obvious troll is obvious. I think we've been over this. People have different work flows when writing new material.

Hi Seth,

Thanks for the response.

1. I was aware of the changes to quick group, using Ctrl now, but my beef was with the inability to select non-adjacent tracks. Glad to hear that is a known issue and that it will be adressed with X1b.

2. I just figured this out about five minutes after writing my post. I found that if I click just to the right of the volume value, then it allows me to be able to manually enter a value. I kept clicking too close to the centre of the displayed value, which makes the fader return to zero. I know that clicking on the fader itself used to return the fader to zero, but I'm not sure why clicking on the displayed volume value (under the fader) should have this effect. And it's a very fine, invisible line between the two.

3. It would be nice to alter the font size, or perhaps just to change the colours, in order to make the values more visible.

4. I was more concerned with the volume displayed under the faders and the peak value (if that's the right term) next to it, which seem too close together on my monitor, and the "square edges" I mentioned in the OP, which highlights on the selected track, just compounds the problem for me.

As for the hi-hat issue, it's most noticeable on one of my songs, where I am using the Steven Slate Old Zep Kit Dry through Session Drummer 3. The ring of the open hat used to be cut off by the closed hat which followed it, but now it continues ringing. And I've even gone back to 8.5.3 to play the same song, where I now encounter the same problem in that version of Sonar as well, which has presumably been caused by the install of X1.

But I have exported wav versions of the same song, from the same file, using the same drums, through the same speakers, where the OHH does not continue ringing when followed by the CHH. That is, it didn't used to happen in 8.5, but since installing X1 (I have both installed on my PC), this extended ringing hi-hat issue now occurs in both versions of Sonar.

I only noticed because I had mixed the song so many times, that I knew straight away it had changed when I first opened it in X1. The only evidence I have now that it never used to continue ringing are my exported wavs of the song made from 8.5.3. But if I playback the file now in 8.5.3, it does continue ringing, just like I first noticed in X1.

Maybe the sound of the sample hasn't changed, but the continued ringing makes it seem that way. But I'm not too sure on that.

So, while some of these issues were due to my ignorance regarding the new software, and my frustration arising from this, I still think some of my grievances are also genuine problems which I hope can be addressed in later patches.

Thanks for listening.

Refreshingly Candid!!!

Thanks Seth!!!

brundlefly

For now, if you absolutely must have those Zep Kit open hats work correctly you can open the SFZ file of the particular program in Windows basic text editor and assign those open hat samples to the choke group of the closed hats. I don't remember the exact procedure of doing that, but I recall doing it before and once you figure it out its not too big of a pain.

I think this post covers it:


http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1671446

Yep, that's it. Thanks for posting the link, Brundlefly.

FWIW it's actually not that painful of a procedure once you get the hang of it (and the link above explains it really well). But that's not to say I won't keep pressing to get this issue resolved (again).

BlixYZ


the idea that HH samples sound different in X1 than they did in 8.5 is silly.  the idea that they also sound different in 8.5 since u installed X1 is even more ridiculous.  OHH samples almost always sound bad to my ear.  maybe u r just realizing now how cheezy those samples can sound.  your other beefs are legit and should be reported.

This is exactly what's wrong with users forums today.  You immediately attacked the OP and called his issue silly without even checking to see if there was any validity to what he was saying.  You then took it upon yourself to repost your reply six hours later,  only to have someone from Cakewalk verify that what he is saying was indeed true.


Wow!

Hey Seth....

I tried to use the select + ctrl +click for quick groups....it mostly works good except when I want to apply a midi offset to adjust for latency...   I can't get it to work...   Can you confirm it's not a "me" thing?    I have a huge midi track setup and adjusting each one is not pleasent...

Thanks

wynnsong


Hey Seth....

I tried to use the select + ctrl +click for quick groups....it mostly works good except when I want to apply a midi offset to adjust for latency...   I can't get it to work...   Can you confirm it's not a "me" thing?    I have a huge midi track setup and adjusting each one is not pleasent...

Thanks

So you're trying to change multiple tracks MIDI offset at once by the same value by clicking the Time +/- box in the MIDI/ Synth track? If so, I can't get it to work either. Must be, for whatever reason, that either this control can't work with quick groups or its just not hooked up to. I'll run this by the devs and see if we can get it sorted.

I can't get the chorus/reverb knobs to work grouped either...

Post #13 covers your issues.

Just to confirm, the SD3 hi-hat fixes will definitely be in X1b, as well as adjustments to the selection squares so that they do not overlap Pan values, etc.

Any chance we could get a thread renaming?  That's 4 out of 5 points addressed.  ;)

I just want to say this...  I have not even considered that I might ever want to upgrade to X1 in light of all the problems folks are having & from trolling the forum Cakewalk has seemed near completely absent from threads like this which spoke to me that they didnt care or just plain didn't even wanna hear it.     It's really nice to see Seth & Zyler jump in here & not only be openly honest over some problems needing repair but to help find fixes/workarounds for now confirm that issues are slated for the next update.  I found myself thinking "Cool, there is somebody in the drivers seat after all".