Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope?

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2011/10/24 22:57:10 (permalink)

Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope?

Ever since envelopes were introduced in SONAR (cake pro audio? can't remember how far back the feature goes) I've been wishing there was a quick/easy way to apply a created envelope to other clips and/or tracks. I'm just getting back into recording again after a fairly long layoff and once again I'd love to be able to copy/paste envelopes but I still don't see a way to do it. Am I just missing it? For example, I have 4 tracks with harmony vocals and I'd like to envelope the same clip on each or them to modify the end of the wave exactly the same on all 4 clips. Creating the same envelope 4 times is a chore.
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    Kev999
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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/25 01:35:58 (permalink)
    Stringrazor1

    ...I'd love to be able to copy/paste envelopes but I still don't see a way to do it. Am I just missing it?
    When you copy & paste, there is a "Track/Bus Automation" option in the Paste dialog box.

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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/25 13:05:55 (permalink)
    Yes, but it seems to only be there so you can copy it along with a clip. I wasn't able to copy the envelope alone. Were you?
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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/25 13:59:14 (permalink)
    Select the clip with an envelope. 

    When you copy, make sure track/bus automation is ticked, BUT events in tracks is unticked.

    You can then paste just the envelope to another track - choose the blend old with new option and select paste into existing clips

     this only works with track envelopes NOT clips envelopes

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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/25 16:10:37 (permalink)
    VJ, you mixed saying "clips" and "tracks" in that post so liberally that it contradicts itself but I think I understand what you were trying to say: envelopes cannot be copied between CLIPS but can be copied between TRACKS. 

    Of course I tried that exact procedure before posting. When working with copying clips, CLIP AUTOMATION cannot be selected without also selecting EVENTS IN TRACKS.

    I thought I might have had a workaround but it failed:

    1) copy source clip events and automation to a new track
    2) edit the audio event gain to -inf so you have a clip with automation only
    3) copy and paste desired audio into empty clip - BUT YOU CAN'T PASTE INTO THE EXISTING EMPTY CLIP

    Anyway to make that work? 
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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/25 16:30:56 (permalink)
    Your question is a little confusing. But, I think I know what you mean.
    There are 2 types of envelopes for controlling level.
    a track volume envelope and a clip gain envelope.
    The track volume envelopes can be copy/pasted via VJ's discription above.
    the clip gain envelopes cannot be copied. It is a royal pain, I agree.
    I don't see why cakewalk didn't just create a clip gain envelope on every clip by default.
    I believe the options for clip envelopes are more expansive in X1.

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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/25 16:50:45 (permalink)
    Why not send the 4 vocal parts to a new bus & automate the volume/envelope of the bus?  Sometimes the answer is so simple that it's not always as obvious as one would hope....

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    Re:Any Way To Copy / Paste An Envelope? 2011/10/26 12:35:34 (permalink)
    That is a good workaround I hadn't thought of, thanks!. I'd still like to be able to copy envelopes between clips and not be forced to bus 'em tho'.  I tend to think of busses as a "higher level" mixing tool than the operation I was doing.
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