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Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
Well the subject heading says it all. I recently bought a YouRock gen2 and have developed sort of a love-hate relationship with it. I love the freedom it provides in terms of playability, but I'm getting really annoyed at the difficulties I'm running into trying to set it up as a controller. I've tried it out in various pieces of software and just can't seem to get it to respond in most. There's one exception: Reason 5. Haven't had a bit of problems with it in Reason. But I don't really use Reason all that much. Tried to use it as a "rewire" addon, but it crashed X2 when I did. Figures. In X2, just today I was going through the setup routines for the YRG, trying to see if maybe one of the settings would jar something loose, but nothing. So I set the YRG down and went and did something else for about an hour. Came back to it, and it was working. WTF. I wish I would have written down the settings, though, because I went and changed something relatively minor, and the audio went away. And hasn't been back since. The midi track that it's coming in on shows a displacement of the VU meter but none of the others do. I was trying to get it to control one of CW's soft synths, so I have the MIDI in set to the YRG and the out set to the CW soft synth -- right? Pretty sure I had the channel and bank and patch settings right. I've even tried it with the out as the YRG too and it hasn't made a difference. The fact that this thing will not work sometimes and then will work when I haven't made any changes is leading me to suspect that it might be defective. Or is this just the gods of the MIDIverse messing with me?
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joeb1cannoli
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/30 10:56:49
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I'm a YRG2 user and I'm not having any issues with it. Make sure you have the midi input echo button on the midi track on.
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/30 11:50:19
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No issues with YRG2 and X2 here. Rocky
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Cooltouch
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/30 18:21:31
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Thanks for the responses, guys. It hasn't seemed to matter much whether I had the MIDI button set to "on" with some of the other stuff that worked, and I can't honestly recall it's status when I was trying to get it to work in X2. So here goes again. MID button set to "on," YRG is plugged into the computer via its USB cable. Booting Sonar X2. Okay, I'm bringing up a project file that I had put together earlier. Single MIDI track with Cakewalk's Rapture LE set as its syth. No sound so far as I'm going through things. With the two packages where it worked right off -- Reason 5 and Finale -- it started making essentially zero latency sounds as soon as I booted the software. Taking a look at the settings at the track level. I have Track 1's "I" configured for the YRG, and "O" configured for RaptureLE. "C" is 'none' and "bank" is '0-0' and "p" is 'none'. I have those last three configured that way because Rapture doesn't have patches, as such, that will display in X2. I have to toggle the patch or program I want at Rapture's little side box. Now I have two other tracks that were opened up when I selected Rapture. One is for audio -- out, I'm assuming, and the other has the MIDI symbol. This is one thing that has confused me in the past. Ah! I think I've found it! You know what? It's almost as if the Sonar configures things so that the synth has a split personality. One side (or track) is saying, "OK, here's the signal I got from the YRG and I'm gonna go ahead and process it and send it to myself (the other track) so I can output it as an audio signal." So I think where I got confused was with the audio track. I had it set for the in as the YRG and the out as Rapture. Now I have it set so that the Rapture's MIDI track has the YRG/Rapture in/out pair and the other track configured for the Rapture as 'in' and the audio driver as 'out.' And . . . yes! I've got sounds! So I guess that's what I stumbled across earlier when I got it to work, but not knowing what I'd done, I inadvertently changed things back and lost it again. I find it curious, though, why neither the Rapture's MIDI track, nor the Master track, nor the metronome track, nor the "Preview" track's VU meters are working. Ok, I just found that if I click on Rapture's MIDI channel, its vu's will respond, but clicking on the other three tracks doesn't make any difference. Could it be that nothing is being recorded or played back at the moment? I'm just noodling around at the moment. I reckon I'll find out soon when I lay down an improv track. Okay, so anyway, thanks for at least confirming that it worked for y'all. That told me there had to be a way, and it looks like I found it. Now, to figure out what the magic sequence is for these other packages I have it doesn't work in . . .
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/30 20:49:35
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I also haven't had any problems, BUT there are a ton of adjustment parameters and it made my head explode for several hours when I sought the perfect combination of parameters defaults. Between getting those together and adjusting synths properly to adapt to mono mode and legato (AFAIC the most crucial elements with any MIDI guitar, it's been working fine.
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Cooltouch
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/31 15:08:59
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Hey Anderton, would you care at all to discuss what you have done to improve legato with your MIDI guitar(s)? With the YRG, I've found that if I want extreme amounts of legato for melodic runs, just to hit the TAP button and dispense with my right hand. I can't always control when the initial note of a legato run sounds, though. They almost seem to occur at random, but it probably has more to do with the force that I tap the fingerboard with. And even then, I find that it's difficult to control it. At any rate, I'm still finding my way around on this thing, and haven't even developed what I would call a comfort level with it yet.
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Cooltouch
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/31 19:05:52
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Okay, so I was enjoying getting to play my YRG in Sonar, but there are projects I'm working on, so I decided to see about easing the YRG into one of my projects. But before I did anything, I grabbed my digital camera and took a pic of the screen, so I could recall the setup that worked if need be. I decided to call up the new project while leaving the file open I'd configured successfully for the YRG. This worked fine, sort of. I had two files open and was able to play the YRG, but it had switched to a soft synth I didn't want to use for this project (I had loaded two soft synths into the test project and gotten both to work, and was able to switch back and forth between the two without a problem), so I switched views and tried to activate the other synth. Before I brought up this new file, all I had to do was click on one of the output panels for the synth I wanted to use. This time when I clicked on the other synth's output panel, all my YRG sounds disappeared. So I shut down the new project file, so that now all I had open was the test file for the YRG -- which was previously working and nothing had changed. No sound this time. But the VU meters respond as if there should be. If I click on the track, I get VU displacement for the track, and if I click on one of the output panels, I get VU displacement in it. I hadn't changed a thing. All I had done was bring another file into the mix, played the file and played my YRG some along with it, then shut down the file so I could make some changes in the test file. But that's all it took to send me back to square one. I played around with settings and such for a good half hour before deciding to return here. A few of the setting changes I tried were changing ASIO OUT at the track's synth pane to "Master," and then make sure "Master" was set with the ASIO outs, same as it always was. In fact, this was the default setting for the second synth I loaded into the mix -- Cakewalk TTS-1. That is, when I loaded in TTS-1, it automatically configured one of its two panes' 'out' to "Master." Didn't make any difference, though. I played around some with the "C" and "O" and "P" selections, but it didn't make any difference. Here is the snapshot I took of the Sonar setup that worked before it didn't work. This is a fairly large file. I saved it to a large file so you could read the smallish words in the console panes. Because they are gray colored I also bumped up the contrast a LOT and added quite a bit of the unsharp masking sharpness routine to the photo to make it as easy as possible to read the words and abbreviations. Cakewalk's forum software scrunches the image down to a reasonable size for viewing here. But if you right click on it and select "View Image" it will display the image only at a larger size. With my browser, I can click on the image yet again to view it full size. Hopefully you'll be able to read the text then. I'll tell you what, if I can't figure out why this is such a big frigging problem with Sonar -- and after reading your responses that you are having no problems, even though it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, I will be forced to consider this YRG defective and return it to GC for a refund. I've got more important things to do with my time than screw around with what may likely be a defective piece of kit. And if it is, it really chaps my butt that GC would put a known defective item back on the shelf. It had been previously opened and used when I bought it, but I stood right there in the store and tried it out for a good half hour before I took it home, just to be sure. Heh. The one thing I couldn't check was how trouble free it would be with my software.
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joeb1cannoli
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/10/31 20:57:03
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Sonar has many ways of doing things but I beleive that this is the easiest. Each soft synth should have an audio track and a midi track . The input on the midi track should be YRG omni. The output of the midi track should be the soft synth that you want the YRG to trigger. The input on the audio track should be the output of the synth. The output of the audio track should be "Master". The Master bus should be assigned to the main out of your sound card/audio interface. If you have more than one midi track with it's input assigned to the YRG you must select midi track that you currently wish to play using the YRG.
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Re: Any YouRock users here? Able to set it up as a controller in Sonar?
2013/11/01 12:13:06
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Thanks for your reply. The Ins and Outs you describe are exactly the Ins and Outs I had set in Sonar, with which the YRG worked (after it didn't work). And they remained exactly the same when it stopped working again. I decided that I had had enough. I boxed it up and returned it to GC yesterday. So now, I have options. I really, really like the YRG because of its stringless technology -- something I've been waiting for since 1977. But there are issues separate from the problems I was having with Sonar that give me pause about it. It doesn't do string bends and vibrato, for example. You have to use the wang bar for that, and I've never been a wang bar user. There is also a subtle yet profound disconnect I experience with the YRG in that I find I have trouble keeping my hands synchronized. I find that often my right hand will wander and will be picking a string that my left hand is not fingering. I would have never guessed that I would experience this sort of problem, but I did. So it will require a degree of technique modification on my part to deal with this issue. And then there's the "Pro" model that III continues to show LOTS of pictures of but they still have not announced a release date for it. I would much rather have the Pro model with various software and hardware improvements than the YRG-1000. Especially with an update to the fingerboard technology such that it would support string bends and vibrato. But I'm not holding out a whole lot of hope for that to be honest. There is also Fishman's Triple Play that is a very interesting product. Its tracking capabilities blow my Roland GR-33 away. It comes with a handy piece of interface software plus it also comes with a software bundle and there a couple of items in that bundle that I can honestly use. And a big plus to me is the ease with which it can be attached and removed from a guitar. The Roland GR-33's pickup is a hassle in that regard. But as near as I've been able to determine, the FTP will require some sort of computer interface before its signal is exported to sound reinforcement. Whereas with my Roland GR-33, I can plug it directly into an amplifier -- no computer required. And then there's the software product that a user from these forums mentioned to me -- the MIDI Guitar software, which is up to beta 0.9.4, I believe. MIDI Guitar is a remarkable product and may rival the Fishman Triple Play by the time it finally exits beta. Its only drawback that I'm aware of at this stage when compared to the Fishman product is it doesn't track nearly as well. But its latency is just as good. And since the Fishman requires a computer anyway, then there's not a whole big difference between it and a piece of software, is there? So I've got a lot of things to think about before I make my next move. And just to complicate things a bit further, while at GC yesterday I played two really nice hollow body jazz guitars, neither of which I can afford right now, but if I don't buy the Fishman or another YRG, I may be able to afford at least one of them in as little as a months time. (I don't do credit cards anymore. I have to save up for all my purchases these days.) Decisions, decisions . . .
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