Any bass guitar suggestions

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2011/02/27 00:36:39 (permalink)

Any bass guitar suggestions

Hi I am looking for suggestions for a new bass.  I am not traditionally a bass player but I do play on my recordings and I need it to sound good.  I am therefore looking for suggestions of guitars that are mid-priced and sound good.   My music tends to be diverse so I need to be able to use for a multitude of styles.  Any suggestions?
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    craigfowler
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/27 01:01:55 (permalink)
    Find a Squier or OLP that plays nicely, and mod as necessary.

    A Squier that has a good neck will be a great bass if you upgrade the pickups, and the OLPs (which may not be available any longer) are solid Musicman copies. I'm also a huge fan of the G&L tribute line, though they're not nearly as cheap as they used to be and their basses never suited me as well as their ASATs.

    With that said, I have had a Yamaha BB1500 for the best part of 20 years that is fabulous, and those sell for under $500 whenever I see them on ebay/classifieds - and they often sell for *much* less than that.

    Of course, you could always build one with USACG/Warmoth parts!
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/27 08:41:20 (permalink)
    I just did an extensive bass search for the same reasons as you:  to record solid bass tracks (as a guitarist).

    I played many, many basses and read many random peoples thoughts on the matter, and arrived at this

    http://www.squierguitars.....php?partno=0303075505

    All I can say is don't let the squire name attached to it fool you.  I will be the first to admit that I have never picked up a squire guitar that didn't feel cheap and play even worse.  BUT, this is a new beast.  The Classic Vibe line is getting some major props, and all you need to do is play it and hear it to see why. 

    If you can find one, do it.  Play it, play some vintage fenders, play some japanese clones, and then see what you think.  For $400 this bass is a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. 

    Good luck!

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/27 08:54:01 (permalink)
    Cool.  I will check out the Squier.  What is the difference between P and Jazz basses.  I googled this but did not read anything about how they might sound different.
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/27 09:08:19 (permalink)
    I'm won't engage mike in a P v. J debate (I'll surely lose), but I found the Jazz to be easier to play (thinner neck) and more versatile.  I also love Geddy Lee.  In recording, I now don't really have to do a single thing to it.  I run it into a pre, and it just sounds good. 

    Anyway, the Classic Vibe has a P Bass and a Jazz bass. Check them out for yourself. 

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/27 11:34:53 (permalink)
    As a bass player, I will chime in:

    Fender-style basses (whether made by Fender/Squier or someone else) can generally be easily upgraded in the future if desired.

    The P-Bass and the J-Bass are both considered absolute standards of bass design - in exactly the same way that Strat's, Tele's and LP's all are. Some may prefer one to the other, but they're both standards.

    There are also P/J variations (generally a P-Bass with an added J pickup in the bridge position), and other absolute classic basses like the MusicMan Stingray and Ric 4001. But the P-Bass and J-Bass are the 2 most popular and most imitated.

    J-Basses necks are narrower at the nut and often slimmer as well. But note that there are P-Bass variations out there with J-style necks.

    The single-PU P-Bass is less versatile in a way, but the classic P-Bass tone works very well in a variety of contexts and also works in the mix. That's one of the main reasons why they're so famous. But they can't get anything like a sweet J tone.

    You can get a variety of great tones out of a J-Bass, from bassy (think John Paul Jones in "The Song Remains the Same" movie) to brighter and sweeter. But it still won't get the classic P-Bass tone.

    If you can't make at least a workable bass part from either a P-Bass or a J-Bass, the problem probably ain't the bass.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/27 13:19:55 (permalink)
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/28 16:17:03 (permalink)
    If you can't make at least a workable bass part from either a P-Bass or a J-Bass, the problem probably ain't the bass.

     
    Good post Drew... and absolutely true
     
    You can't go wrong with a solid P or J
    Both are easy to record/mix.
     
    If you like a J bass, the 2010 (and up) Fender American Deluxe Jazz is one of the nicest (non-boutique) instruments I've ever played.  IMO, They're right up with the Custom Shop offerings...
    Light, "gutsy" but warm tone, beautiful finish, plays like butter, active and passive operation (and the pre/EQ don't dramatically alter the tone/dynamics).
     
    There's also the 2010 Fender American Deluxe Precision.
    Same basic features... but in a P/J bass.
    This thing has some serious tonal options.
    You can get old-school P, thunderously huge (with the P and J pups), or that Jaco bark/burp tone.
     

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/28 16:55:52 (permalink)
    didn't care for either p bass or jazz bass

    went with a carvin LB70

    superb bass

    active electronics, tho i AM going to put passives in instead.

    find em used on ebay all the time

    major bang for buck.


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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/28 19:44:36 (permalink)
    i'd also recommend most Yamaha's and Washburns too, esp if you wanna go 5 string. great bang for the buck!

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/02/28 22:00:05 (permalink)
    I use an American Jazz these days. But, I've used a Squier and Ibanez before. The latter two I really didn't appreciate at the time beause I was still in that 'my stuff sucks so it must be the equipment' phase that we all go through early on. In retrospect, listening back to some stuff, both of those less expensive basses actually sounded quite nice as recorded.

    I find bass brutally difficult to really get right in a mix, and I imagine I'd feel the same with any of them. I would like to get some varietals just for fun though if I could afford it.

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/01 00:14:54 (permalink)
    I was in the same boat as you.  I went a Squier P Bass Special - had the P bass feel, neck etc, with the double pickups. http://www.allansmusic.com.au/prod/03.21520.937/Squier_Precision_Bass_Special_-_Left_Handed.aspx

    but mine wasn't left handed.

    I'm really happy with it.


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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/01 12:23:16 (permalink)
    I find bass brutally difficult to really get right in a mix,

     
    Hi Dean,
     
    That J should sit pretty well...
    Are you going direct... or mic'ing an amp?
     
    If you're mic'ing an amp, try using a pair of mics.
    A "full range" type mic to capture a full overall tone (condenser works well)...
    And use the ol SM57 to capture a nice tightly focused mid-range "bite" that you can add for more articulation.
    Balancing the two mics, you should be able to get a tone that works in darn near anything.
    If you're into a Chris Squire type tone, you can add some dirt/distortion to the 57 track.  This allows you to keep the bottom articulate and buzz/fuzz free... while still having that slightly distorted character.
    I'm sure you know all this...  

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/01 19:05:23 (permalink)

    The P-Bass is the standard... it IS the sound of bass guitar. best regards, mike
     
    I would bet Jaco would have disagreed
     
    Back to the thread! I needed a good sounding bass to track and also settled for a Squier Jazz, Vintage Modified series.
    http://www.squierguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=0326702521 
     
    Rock solid, inexpensive, Duncan Designed pups ... Been real happy with it. At most I might try other pick ups, but the Duncan Design (although not his best efforts) are doing fine for now.
     
    EDIT: But I won't disagree with Mike either. I always loved the P-Bass.
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/02 05:22:06 (permalink)
    I bought a Warwick 5 string last year - really pleased with it, though I'm no bass player.

    Worth checking out at their prices.

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/02 23:31:58 (permalink)
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    Hi Dean,
     
    That J should sit pretty well...
    Are you going direct... or mic'ing an amp? 
     
    I'm DI'ing generally. It's just that typically the raw bass sound DI'd just is way too frequency sucking to be optimal, and I try to not to have to do any processing in the mix at all if possible on any tracks, so I'm always futzing around trying to figure out how to get just what I need and no more as recorded, and not less than what I need. It's just a hard call as to what's going to ultimately work best. It's always a fight between enough low end but no too much and enough presence to be there, but not to be too there. Leaving space for other things, but not too much space, etc... It's a subtle thing to get right.
     
    Some days are better than others, and some days I'm just being obsessive probably. But partly it's because (at this stage) I'm more into really trying to learn what works than to really put out any songs per se. If I get one out now and then that's fine. But I spend most of the time just trying things to see what works, so sometimes it can seem like an awful lot of work for what's supposed to be my hobby. There's always somewhere in there that optimal EQ and compression and drive that will give it just the right sound for the track, but it's hard to tease out sometimes.
     
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/03 10:06:30 (permalink)
    I'm DI'ing generally. It's just that typically the raw bass sound DI'd just is way too frequency sucking to be optimal, and I try to not to have to do any processing in the mix at all if possible on any tracks, so I'm always futzing around trying to figure out how to get just what I need and no more as recorded, and not less than what I need. It's just a hard call as to what's going to ultimately work best. It's always a fight between enough low end but no too much and enough presence to be there, but not to be too there. Leaving space for other things, but not too much space, etc... It's a subtle thing to get right. Some days are better than others, and some days I'm just being obsessive probably. But partly it's because (at this stage) I'm more into really trying to learn what works than to really put out any songs per se. If I get one out now and then that's fine. But I spend most of the time just trying things to see what works, so sometimes it can seem like an awful lot of work for what's supposed to be my hobby. There's always somewhere in there that optimal EQ and compression and drive that will give it just the right sound for the track, but it's hard to tease out sometimes.

     
    Hi Dean,
     
    That makes sense to me...
    FWIW, I liked my Am Standard J... but I wasn't crazy about the straight DI tone.
    I've used REDDI, U5, and some other nice preamps/DIs... but never quite captured the starting tone I was looking for.
    Early last year, I heard about the 2010 Am Dlx J basses (use the new N3 pups, active/passive).  I had always wanted an Ash/Maple J... and these units were active/passive... so I decided to take the plunge. 
    Long story short, it's the best J... scratch that... it's the best bass I've ever played.  Finish, feel, and tone (both DI and Amp) are just fantastic!  Recently got a RME Babyface and I wanted to test the instrument input.  Plugged in the Am Dlx J... and did a little test recording.  Didn't expect much as I typically use the U5... but the tone was very nice.  Lots of detail/fidelity (as you'd expect from DI), but the tone had some 'guts'... whereas my Am Std's straight DI tone was a bit weak/flabby.  Had to run it thru an Amp (real or simulated) to get a tone I liked.
    Another thing I like about the Am Dlx J; when you switch to active (3-band EQ), it doesn't radically change the tone or dynamics of the bass.  I don't use the active side all that much... but it's nice to have the option (without sacrificing the tone/dynamics).
     
    At some point, I want to get the matching Am Dlx P (Ash/Maple).
     
     

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/03 21:53:40 (permalink)
    I've heard the Rondo Music Basses are nice after a set up from a decent luthier.
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/04 10:36:55 (permalink)
    love my Ibanez Mikkro bass

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/04 15:17:35 (permalink)
    I'm not gonna try to talk you out of a bass guitar, I would like to have one myself..... I did have a decent bass many years ago but sold it and never replaced it. I'd like to give the Carvin a shot. I know a friend who bought one and was expecting to have to send it back, but he loved it and started leaving his really nice Fender at home.

    Since I don't have easy access to a bass guitar, I don't use a bass. I use the keyboard with a midi synth and a nice sample. I am partial to the Cakewalk Sound center Synth bass> Ricko..... sounds like a Rickenbacker guitar.... I use it quite a bit. The trick to making any midi sample sound good is to think and play like a bass player.

    Just my 2 cents.... I'll shut up now.... and wish you the best in finding a nice bass guitar.

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/04 15:26:08 (permalink)
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    I bought a Warwick 5 string last year - really pleased with it, though I'm no bass player.

    Worth checking out at their prices.


    +1 on the Warick I was tied between one of them and a Spector (through body with Emg's ) I got the Spector its an awesome bass for anything from funk to metal ! THe emgs can make it a bit tricky for slap bass but nothing thats a show stopper Just took a bit of geting used to :)

    Most people I know all play P bass,Stingrays or Waricks but they all love the Spector :)
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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/04 18:33:23 (permalink)
    a 6 string Ibanez would allow you to use all your guitar chops on the base

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/04 18:54:57 (permalink)
    6 String bass solos for the win !

    It dont have to be an Ibanez though

    Just get a gibson LP and stick six bass strings on it :P haha if only it was as easy as that

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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/04 21:15:21 (permalink)
    I have a Squier Precision Bass. It looks as though it's discontinued now though. What I like about it is this particular one has the narrower Jazz neck. Coming from playing guitar for some many years and just recently picking up bass I found it hard to fret properly and the narrower neck helped a lot.

    To me, this particular guitar sounds better going through a DI box then in to Guitar Rig Pro 4 rather than just plugging in direct through my sound card. I don't know if anyone noticed, but there's a bass amp section tucked away in GRP4 with some really nice setups.

    It's totally noiseless too even with the stock pickups.


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    Re:Any bass guitar suggestions 2011/03/07 13:41:56 (permalink)
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    Bapu is the standard... it IS the sound of bass guitar.

    best regards,
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    Fixed.


    best regards,
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