Sycraft
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Any convolution reverb recommendations?
I like Breverb for algorithmic reverb, but I could do for a better convolution reverb. So suggestions as to what to look at? I really can't spend too much on it, Altiverb is out on account of cost (also I'm not a fan of the interface for the brief time I tried it in a studio). I'm really, REALLY wary of trying EastWest Spaces given the fact that Play has not been able to function correctly for about 5 years now. So, recommendations of things to look at?
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 05:50:17
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 07:53:44
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For free there is SIR http://www.knufinke.de/sir/sir1.phpWaves IR-1 has had good reviews and you can usually get the IR-L for reasonable (same reverb with less features) and has a LOT (4.8 gb if you download all) of Impulses @acoustics.net, which, if you have a Waves account, you can download anyways. PerfectSpace is good if you're willing to do the work to get it to sound good, and if you have Xx you should already have it. And here are some Donationware Impulses that have high ratings.. http://www.resoundsound.com/4-impulse-response-reverb-packs/
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 07:59:20
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+1 for Reverberate by LiquidSonics. They also have an even less expensive version called Reverberate Core that might interest you. Kind regards, Rick
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 09:59:51
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Define "better". Are there specific features you're looking for?
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 10:23:14
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A convolution reverb only sounds as good as its impulses. @
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 12:37:16
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AT A convolution reverb only sounds as good as its impulses. @
That is correct...and how you use it (settings applied) Major difference between them - the adjustable settings. While some may handle the impulses better CPU wise... the sound is primarily defined by the impulses themselves.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 13:31:19
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 13:41:40
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Main things I'm after: --64-bit (I don't care to use bitbridge) --Good impulses included/available --Reasonable UI
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 15:27:14
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That's a pretty modest list of requirements. The Meldaproductions offering goes far beyond them and it's cheaper (< $50) than Altiverb. I wouldn't limit myself to bundled IRs when there are so many good ones available for free on the 'net. Get a plugin that has the features you want, then start your IR collection. Make sure those features include the ability to offset and change the length of IRs. You may also want to consider whether true stereo processing is important to you. Take a look at PerfectSpace for an example of just what a full-featured convolution reverb can do.
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Sycraft
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 16:17:03
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Any suggestions for IRs I should look at? Also something I'm willing to pay for, provided they are good and not too expensive. I just want something that produces some good, real, spaces (or at least spaces that sound real). I don't need much in the way of sound design capability or any of that, I just want some nice reverb :). The algo verbs are for when I wanna play.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 16:25:53
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 20:17:08
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You don't need Play to use Spaces. I love that reverb and its the only one I ever use.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/01 21:23:30
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/02 12:49:53
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Not an IR, but you can get pretty deep into the nuts and bolts of IKs T-Racks verbs. D/L the manual and click Advanced Controls on the GUI. One more arrow in the quiver.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/02 18:15:42
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Yea, you can find plenty of reverb impulses for free on the net. If you are doing experimental stuff look at spirit canyon or Virtuosonic http://www.virtuasonic.com/ both those are good sources. @
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/03 01:21:14
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I have loads of EWQL stuff but my favorite is "Spaces", a truly beautiful convolution reverb... everything else sounds shallow to me these days... listen to any of the ewql demos of their orchestral or other stuff... it's all wrapped in "Spaces" impulses. As a vocalist, I love how it enfolds my voice...in a word, it's "bliss"... And, Spaces doesn't use the play engine... it's an effect...
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/03 02:10:27
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cclarry
Waves IR-1 had been good reviews and you can usually get the IR-L for reasonable (same reverb with less features) and has a LOT (4.8 gb if you download all) of Impulses
IR-1 is indeed quite nice. Lots of decent IR and not very CPU intensive for an IR reverb (so they must have worked out a rather smart implementation) ... but you should wait for it to be on sale (which might be a while as it was on sale just 3 months ago)
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/03 03:56:40
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I know that Spaces doesn't use the Play engine, however my general concern is just with East West's quality. Their programmers don't seem to be particularly good at making software that works well. Also, their management seems to be in a bit of denial about that fact. They have claimed that certain things are impossible, that are in fact not such as being able to handle fast bounces. However after trying Spaces I decided I had to have it. It may be completely un-expandable and have a very simplistic interface, but it just sounds amazing. Hopefully it will be less problematic than Play has been for me. I really wish East-West would just go back to producing samples and such, and you somebody else's engine like Native Instruments. They are some excellent audio engineers, that just don't have programmers that are as good.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/03 11:50:22
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2013/11/03 13:23:20
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Sycraft I know that Spaces doesn't use the Play engine, however my general concern is just with East West's quality. Their programmers don't seem to be particularly good at making software that works well. Also, their management seems to be in a bit of denial about that fact. They have claimed that certain things are impossible, that are in fact not such as being able to handle fast bounces. However after trying Spaces I decided I had to have it. It may be completely un-expandable and have a very simplistic interface, but it just sounds amazing. Hopefully it will be less problematic than Play has been for me. I really wish East-West would just go back to producing samples and such, and you somebody else's engine like Native Instruments. They are some excellent audio engineers, that just don't have programmers that are as good.
I can't argue with any of your points but, like you, once I heard it I had to have it. They've done a bang up job obtaining the most pristine impulses I've ever heard and it's not bad on my cpu. All the presets sit well in the mix and it's just heavenly. All my other reverbs are gathering dust. So, bottom line? Despite all the issues with ewql, Spaces is the real deal. You won't regret it...a good choice you made, my friend!
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/03 18:49:02
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☄ Helpfulby Grem 2014/03/06 13:32:50
Thanks for bringing this old thread up again. I found the Lexicon impulses I was looking for.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/03 19:17:17
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/03 22:25:09
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/06 05:13:15
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I am too, looking for a Convolution Reverb with a nice simple GUI I would love some with simple GUI like that, but cheaper " not all the other Convolution Reverbs, with all the messy GUI " EastWest Spaces , looks nice, but too expensive for me at the moment ! I would really love it, but as the OP said : " I know that Spaces doesn't use the Play engine, however my general concern is just with East West's quality. Their programmers don't seem to be particularly good at making software that works well. Also, their management seems to be in a bit of denial about that fact. They have claimed that certain things are impossible, that are in fact not such as being able to handle fast bounces. " bad programming, is a " NO GO " for me, quote on the " certain thing is impossible " i guess that is a EW statement ? LOL, well some things can actually be hard to do but to me that is just : " we don't know " how to program it I tried the FXpansion BFD3 demo, sounds great and i really would love it, but : it drain's CPU and memory of my system that is result of bad programming really. Yeah i know, too low on ram, bla, bla bla......, but that ain't the discussion here Point is : I have tried a lot of software, that run's smoothly on my system If it do run on a low / mid tech system then it is : well programmed and optimized, it will also most likely be very stable too. Actually there is bad programmers in the big Companies too, yes it's true. I have tried SIR 1, nice interface ..... but it seem due to the fixed latency of 8960 samples can cause trouble in the system and crash it. It can also be Bitbridge itself ..... , had several experiences first step is not to use 32bit plugins so you don't need to go through bit-bridge ( JUST NOW AND THEN ) the sound may hang or cause other sounds to disappear, strange ! Statement from the SIR ( SIR 2 ) webpage : " It offers zero-latency processing with low CPU-consumption and non-destructive audio processing of impulse responses." I have tried it, and i have experienced similar problems of the audio disappearing, like with SIR 1. I have tried other Convolution Reverbs, they work and none of above problem's is present at all. But then again... Too messy GUI Plz tell if some of you could find a great cheapsimple GUI Convolution Reverb Anyway here's some free Impulses : the uad-140 and others: http://www.echochamber.ch/index.php/tipps-a-freebies/impulseresponses the lexicon PCM90, also other ones : http://rhythminmind.net/STN/?page_id=4188
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/06 10:24:20
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Anyone use Liquidsonics Reverberate? It looks pretty good. I've been getting pretty good results out of Perfect space, but will usually just use CSR from IK or Valhallaroom. I'm just now getting into this convolution thing. I did download all of the stuff from http://rhythminmind.net/STN/?page_id=4188. It's always nice to have Lexicon impulses.
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Sycraft
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/06 13:06:35
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Soundblend bad programming, is a " NO GO " for me, quote on the " certain thing is impossible " i guess that is a EW statement ? LOL, well some things can actually be hard to do but to me that is just : " we don't know " how to program it So I will say that I broke down and bought spaces, because they have the best impulses EVAR, and it seems to work fine with no issues. I don't have the problems I do with Play. However, I still don't like EastWest :P... but man does Spaces sound good. Plz tell if some of you could find a great cheap simple GUI Convolution Reverb Snuffle around for Waves deals. Their simple reverb is IR-L. Easy to use, sounds good, and you get like 7GB of impulses from Waves to use with it. Now the regular price is like $250, and it is pretty expensive for what you get. However, you can get it as part of bundles. Like the Native Power Pack which is $300 but comes with other stuff like a compressor, limiter, imager, and so on. Don't ask me, Waves is weird. Still expensive, but if you watch them (or get on their news letter) they do sales all the time. I got the NPP on sale for $100, which is a good deal even if all you want is IR-L. clintmartin Anyone use Liquidsonics Reverberate? It looks pretty good. I've been getting pretty good results out of Perfect space, but will usually just use CSR from IK or Valhallaroom. I'm just now getting into this convolution thing. I did download all of the stuff from http://rhythminmind.net/STN/?page_id=4188. It's always nice to have Lexicon impulses. I tried it, but decided to pass on it. It was a little more complex than I was looking for and I didn't want to mess around. Also the included impulses weren't very good. I was after real spaces, not synthetic verbs, and it doesn't really have good ones. It is better than some at doing synthetic verbs since it can use multiple impulses and modulate between them.
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Re: Any convolution reverb recommendations?
2014/03/06 13:11:35
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Oh and yes the "things are impossible" is a EastWest statement. I don't remember the precise quote but basically this was back when Play 1 had just been released. Many of us noticed it that f'd up fast bounces really bad, dropouts and so on. They said "Don't use fast bounce, use realtime bounce." We all said "Ummm, no, that takes a long time and fast bounce is more reliable since it is offline and plugins can wait on the disk, you need to support it." They said "Fast bounce support is impossible because of our scripting and timing, only realtime bounce is supported." I lost a lot of respect for them with that... and more and more respect as time went on and their development of Play kept being crap.
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