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Any experience with Cool Soft GM Synth? Having latency issues on laptop.
Hi All, Does anyone have experience using a soft synth called, "Cool Synth?" i just installed it on my laptop running the 30 day demo of SONAR X3 and I'm having terrible latency. I've looked at the buffer size and chosen Cool Synth as my output device. but I still can't kill the latency problem. i've changed my audio drivers from MM32bit to WDMKS. Originally, I couldn't get sounds. Now I get sounds in WDm, but can't still get the latency down. I may try again in ASIO. Any advice appreciated. Feel free to aSsume I've missed something basic. Kevin
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/24 15:23:48
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You will need a quality sound card to lower the latency.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/24 16:09:09
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I mean, I get no sound using AThe weird thing is, I was able to download a driver called, "ASIO4ALL," and use it to make Sibelius 7.5 play without latency on this same laptop, even using their large sound library. Why can't I do this in SONAR X3? I mean, I get no sound in ASIO. It took time, but I did eventually get sound in WDM. What am I missing? If I do, in fact, need a sound card, what portable card could I get. This is just a Dell off the shelf. It's not my main rig.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/24 16:18:33
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kevjazz
I mean, I get no sound using AThe weird thing is, I was able to download a driver called, "ASIO4ALL," and use it to make Sibelius 7.5 play without latency on this same laptop, even using their large sound library. Why can't I do this in SONAR X3? I mean, I get no sound in ASIO. It took time, but I did eventually get sound in WDM. What am I missing? If I do, in fact, need a sound card, what portable card could I get. This is just a Dell off the shelf. It's not my main rig.
It depends on the soft synth, too. They're all different. I don't know what kind if a synth Sibelius uses to produce the sounds, possibly a basic GM synth. For fluent DAW work you need a proper soundcard, a rather basic USB will do. How low could you lower your latency? You don't give any info whatsoever of the situation.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
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Cool Synth is an actual product name. the GM library was called "Timbers of Heaven." I tried moving my latency buffer down to 128 without success. Again, using ASIO4ALL with Sibelius 7.5 and their library, my latency was functionally zero. So, the laptop, with the default sound card, can function. that suggests that there is a solution without buying a pro sound card.
Thoughts?
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/24 16:40:28
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Cool Synth is an actual product name. the GM library was called "Timbers of Heaven." I tried moving my latency buffer down to 128 without success. Again, using ASIO4ALL with Sibelius 7.5 and their library, my latency was functionally zero. So, the laptop, with the default sound card, can function. that suggests that there is a solution without buying a pro sound card.
Thoughts?
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/24 17:21:45
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☄ Helpfulby kevjazz 2014/03/29 03:33:10
kevjazz
Cool Synth is an actual product name. the GM library was called "Timbers of Heaven." I tried moving my latency buffer down to 128 without success. Again, using ASIO4ALL with Sibelius 7.5 and their library, my latency was functionally zero. So, the laptop, with the default sound card, can function. that suggests that there is a solution without buying a pro sound card.
Thoughts?
No. We have been doing this for a very long time and it is the collective wisdom of this forum that you really need a decent sound card with good drivers to do low latency audio. But its more than that you get system stability as well as a better sound. When you do get a good sound card you will kick yourself for putting up the $0.50 sound chip embedded in your motherboard. Sonar is a very complicated program that does audio in the form of multi track audio as well as MIDI as well as Video with DX and VST plugins. It needs a quality sound card to perform well. Users that rely on the sound chip in the laptop do so as a stop gap measure because they may not be able to bring along their main rig.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 03:56:05
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Guys
I just bought and installed a Roland Duo Capture EX and I'm still having the same latency problems with X3. I have no latency in Sibelius 7.5 under ASIO. But I can't get good real time MIDi out of my Xkey USB keyboard using the Roland either. I would really appreciate any advice. I've tried lowering the ASIO buffer without success.
AGain, it works in Sibelius and not in SONAR. the Soft Synth I'm using is a sound font called Timbers of Heaven. I'm running it through Cool Soft Virtual MIDi Synth. If you feel that the soft synth is at fault, please recommend another. Any help appreciated.
Kevin
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 08:49:24
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Hi - lots of folks using laptops for running Sonar have issues with latency, and lots of times, in addition to driver mode and settings, the presence of a Wi-Fi adapter on the laptop can cause MASSIVE latency spikes, wrecking audio output quality.
The easy solution for the Wi-Fi induced latency is to temporarily 'disable' the adapter just prior to launching Sonar, and enable it again after finishing the Sonar session.
You can go into Device Manager, find the Wi-Fi adapter, right-click on it, and click either disable or enable, as needed.
Please note that the above does NOT address any latency issues caused by driver mode or by things like ASIO Buffer Size and Sample Rate, and only address eliminating the large latency spikes caused by enabled Wi-Fi adapters.
I hope that the above helps you.
Congrats on picking up an interface, by the way. Try the following settings while tracking (recording):
Audio interface: Sample Rate of either 44.1 k or 48 k, ASIO Buffer Size of 128
Sonar: Driver Mode of ASIO, Sample Rate of 44.1 k or 48 k (must match sample rate of interface), Record Bit-Depth of 24 bits.
The above should give you a Sonar-reported Total Roundtrip Latency of around or just under 10 milliseconds, which should be a really good balance between low latency without dropouts, and the load placed on the CPU.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 11:30:54
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Bob and all,
two important points need to be reenforced here:
1. I DO have a separate audio interface, the Roland Duo Capture EX.
2. The problems I'm having are not with audio, but MIDI lag between pressing a key and hearing a sound in SONAR X3. I do get the response I want when in Sibelius 7.5.
I haven't tried disabling the network adapter. but I dout that will make a diffrence because ASIO works in sibelius.
Hope this makes things clearer and that someone will have a suggestion.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 12:16:27
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☄ Helpfulby SquireBum 2016/08/30 22:49:45
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2. The problems I'm having are not with audio, but MIDI lag between pressing a key and hearing a sound in SONAR X3.
The problem is still audio related. There is no appreciable delay between issuing a MIDI instruction and SONAR or the plug-ins response. The delay is still caused by the audio playback. Running ASIO4All is not the same as running a true ASIO driver. Roland does make a driver for the device. This driver should be used instead of the ASIO4All wrapper. In SONAR what recording mode is being used and what are the reported latency?
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 13:00:02
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I recommend the following:
1. Uninstall ASIO4ALL completely off your computer. It's presence will interfere with Roland's drivers. Do this with Sonar NOT running. You may also want a fresh boot of the computer.
2. Make sure you have latest production-released drivers for your Roland interface installed.
3. Set audio interface to: Sample Rate of either 44.1 k or 48 k, ASIO Buffer Size to 128
5. Power cycle the audio interface (if USB connected and no power switch, disconnect USB and plug back in)
5. Disable Wi-Fi-adapter
6. Start Sonar, don't go into a project yet, as you are just for now changing settings
7. Change your Driver Mode in Sonar to ASIO, and click Apply. This should now auto-populate the Record and Playback Timing Master data, and should also auto-select your Roland as the audio device in Sonar.
8. Set Sonar Sample Rate to exactly match the Sample Rate set on audio interface. Click Apply.
9. Note the Sonar-reported Total Roundtrip Latency value and post back to this thread with that info
10. Open a project and give the above a test drive in Sonar, and then post back to this thread your results and findings.
Thanks - please try ALL of the above.
I look forward to reading the results of your applying and testing the above changes. :)
Bob Bone
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 13:06:38
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In addition, do you have any audio effects loaded in the project that has the midi track giving you these problems?
If so, please list exactly which ones are loaded, as some plugins can cause quite a bit of latency and are meant for mixing/mastering, and not for tracking(recording).
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 13:54:18
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To the best of my knowledge, I did uninstall ASIO4ALL and install the Roland driver. While I have not disabled the network Wi-Fi adapter, I think I've done everything else. I still have the Mity delay problem.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 13:55:59
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No audio effects, period.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 16:24:15
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Please go into Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings and post back the reported Total Roundtrip Latency.
In addition, disabling the Wi-Fi adapter is super simple to both do and to undo. Simply go to Device Manager, find the Wi-Fi adapter in the listed devices, right-click on it and then click on Disable. Then, try out Sonar again. When finished with Sonar, go back to Device Manager, find the Wi-Fi-adapter again, right-click and then click on Enable. Done. Super simple.
Please please please do the above and post back, AND please DO post your current Total Roundtrip Latency.
Thanks,
Bob Bone
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 16:34:22
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After doing the above and posting back, I would suggest you also look at running either DPC Latency Checker or LatencyMon for a few minutes (with Sonar NOT running), to measure your system's basic ability to handle the kind of audio streaming that Sonar does. Both programs are freeware. Please note that DPC Latency Checker does not report proper times on Windows 8, but does work fine on Windows 7. LatencyMon works fine for either Win 7 or 8. DPC Latency Checker is here: http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml LatencyMon is here: http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml Either one should be run for a few minutes, then the results reviewed and posted back here. Please DO first test the disabling of the Wi-Fi-adapter, and post the current Total Rountrip Latency time in Sonar, because the Wi-Fi adapters are a COMMON cause of bad latency and quite the likely suspect. Bob Bone
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 18:16:43
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Bob,
I'm not sure where the total round trip latency is in the ASIO camp. I am only blind person. My vision is very poor. It would be helpful if you could tell me that it is located above this and below that. As soon as I find it, I will do the experiment set forth.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 19:35:06
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Sure - inside of Sonar, go to: Edit>Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings, and you will see at the bottom, a series of reported latency values. One of these is Total Roundtrip Latency.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/29 22:56:03
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Bob and all,
Here is the best I can do. thanks for all the help. Still stuck.
Input latency: 10.5 msc, 463 samples
Output latency 13.5 msc 597 samples
total rorund trip latency 24.0 msc 1060 samples
After moving the slider down to 22, I got the following values:
Input latency 7.2 msc, 313 samples
Output platency 6.3 msc 276 samples
Total round trip latency 13.5 msc 595 samples
this was with the checkbox for Use Smaller ASIO buffer size not checked. with that box checked, I dropped down to 96 buffers from 144. 128 was not available. the original value was 288. You can see that 128 is not available because it is not in the even divisions.
I did not disable the wi-fi because it wasn't clear exactly what I should disable. There's an INtel Wireless N7260. It sounds like a wireless adapter. but thre's also two Microsoft Virtual Wifi Miniport Adapters. I've no idea what they miht be.
So, that's where I am now.
thanks again.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 00:06:37
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OK - it is still progress.
The original latency value was WAY too high, and would certainly cause latency problems when tracking.
If your interface doesn't allow 128, then go ahead and try the setting of 96. If that is too low, then try the next size up from 96.
The whole goal is to try to get your Total Roundtrip Latency down to around 10 milliseconds, or a little less, if possible.
As far as the wireless adapter, simply disable the Intel Wireless N7260, and then see how your latency issues behave - in conjunction with that setting of 96, as noted above for ASIO Buffer Size.
Give these two things a shot. There is no issue with simply disabling the wireless and testing things out, as you can simply enable it again, when finished. It won't hurt anything or put you at risk, to simply disable/enable it.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 01:35:39
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Bob,
Abslutely NO GO. Disabling the wireless adaper did nothing. the 96 buffer setting was too jittery. the best I seem to be able to do is to get a round trip of about 14.5. Could this Cool Soft synth be the culprit?
Could anyone recommend a different one? I suppose I could uninstall the trial version and install the version of SONAR LE that came with the Roland. Is there any weirdness that I would have to watch out for if I did that?
My purpose in doing this is that I need to test X3 with my screen reader. Remember I am a legally blind person. We all used SONAR 8.5. that had some special stuff that made it accessible for us. Now, I wan to upgrade to current standards. I have 8 days left in my demo. I have a new screen reader that works pretty well.
also remember that, while SONAR is failing, Sibelius does work well wh the Roland in ASIO mode. So, maybe a different soft synth might be the ticket.
Hope all this makes sense.
Best,
Kevin
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 01:40:12
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Forgot one other thing. I didn't get any versions of Dimension Pro or anything else with the demo. Maybe I didn't download everything I should have. If there's something else I can download and install before the trial expires, I can see if the stuff that comes with SONaR will run on this rig. It's a stock Dell with 8GB of RAM and a 500GB HD. I don't need heavy duty portible gear. I will have a serious computer built laer. I just need to test what we call, "Accessibility."
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 06:50:51
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I recently bought Sonar X3 and will be installing it soon. In anticipation of any latency problems I might have -- my only music PC is a laptop (albeit with a decent spec -- i7 cpu, 16 gb ram, SSD for the system). I have a Focusrite Saffire USB 6 ineterface.
If I want to play / record midi using a USB midi keyboard while minimizing latency, should I be using the Focusrite in the setup? If so, what is the easiest way to configure this? (Sorry of this is such a naive question)
If on the other hand I merely want to playback existing midi, do I need to have the Focusrite hooked up? I'd like to avoid carting around that extra bit of kit if possible; for example, if I want to do some editing on a long haul flight.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 10:45:32
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I recently bought Sonar X3 and will be installing it soon. In anticipation of any latency problems I might have -- my only music PC is a laptop (albeit with a decent spec -- i7 cpu, 16 gb ram, SSD for the system). I have a Focusrite Saffire USB 6 ineterface.
If I want to play / record midi using a USB midi keyboard while minimizing latency, should I be using the Focusrite in the setup? If so, what is the easiest way to configure this? (Sorry of this is such a naive question)
If on the other hand I merely want to playback existing midi, do I need to have the Focusrite hooked up? I'd like to avoid carting around that extra bit of kit if possible; for example, if I want to do some editing on a long haul flight.
Hi - I think it might be better if you post your question as a new thread, so we don't get this one complicated from 2 issues co-mingling. You are under no obligation to do so, I certainly have no 'forum police' authority or mind set - it's just easier to keep issues separate, and I think it would benefit both you and the original poster of this thread to do so. (when someone deliberately steers a thread into a new issue it is called thread hijacking, and folks can get a might testy when that happens) - so go ahead and fire up a new thread and I will do my best to explain things to you. Thanks, Bob Bone
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 14:46:01
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Is it possible that my i5 processor with 8GB of RAM isn't fast enough? If that'd the case, why does it work with Sibelius 7.5, but not with SONAR X3.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 15:17:16
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Is it possible that my i5 processor with 8GB of RAM isn't fast enough? If that'd the case, why does it work with Sibelius 7.5, but not with SONAR X3.
Believe it or not the CPU and memory is not all that important. Again keep in mind that Sonar has been around long before multi core CPUs have been out. Latency is a factor of the audio device. Its determined by the buffers used in the kernel level streaming of audio. WDM and ASIO are the two drivers most used by Windows machines to get low latency audio. The smaller the buffers the lower the latency. This has not changed since audio and computers were brought together. Now all this may seem unintuitive because when yo play a song on your laptop using Media Player latency is not an issue. Thats because you are not creating the sound in real time.
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/30 23:55:46
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Good news! Tried using the one soft synth that came with the demo. 96 works with a tiny bit of popping. That's fine because this laptop is only for sketching on planes and writing parts in Sibelius, also on planes. Apparently, the issue is in the buffer settings for CoolSoft Virtual MIDI Synth itself. If anyone has direct experience with that specific GM product, or would be willing to recommend another, please feel free.
Thanks to Bob and everybody else for their generosity.
Kevin
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Re: Any experience with Cool Synth? having latency issues on laptop.
2014/03/31 00:26:41
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kevjazz
Good news! Tried using the one soft synth that came with the demo. 96 works with a tiny bit of popping. That's fine because this laptop is only for sketching on planes and writing parts in Sibelius, also on planes. Apparently, the issue is in the buffer settings for CoolSoft Virtual MIDI Synth itself. If anyone has direct experience with that specific GM product, or would be willing to recommend another, please feel free.
Thanks to Bob and everybody else for their generosity.
Kevin
Sonar comes with TTS-1 which is a virtual Sound Canvas clone. It is a GM synth.
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