Any ideas for enhancing a guitar volume swell?

I am working on mixing a song where the whole band is cranking along, then there is a 2 bar break where it goes to clean guitar and vocal only, at the end of that break I have one distorted guitar doing a volume swell as the drummer builds the dynamics on just the hats.  At the end of the swell the whole band comes back in hard and heavy.  I am trying to make that volume swell go from small sounding to freaking humongous.   I have 2 takes of it both automated to rise and I also took one of them, copied it and flipped it backwards making a third track (as naturaly when you hit a single chord on the guitar the level fades the longer it sustains so I reversed it to start soft and end at the inital hit)  which helped but not enough.  Now I am trying to think of effects?  Maybe putting a chorus on it and automating that to fatten up?  Reverb?  I am not sure really.  I am just trying to get this to be really in your face as the song explodes into the final chorus.  Thanks for any Ideas!

I like the idea of the pause alot,  I will try it.  It woul probably be easier to do that in mastering and slip edit the stereo signal rather than all individual tracks right?

I am going to do some research on resonant filter sweeps bcause I ave no idea what you mean by that.  Cool, I get to learn a bit more today.  I love this forum.

all good ideas... the panning into the swell adds depth and space to it making it seem much larger...

I can't wait to hear this.

i did this effect on one of my new tunes:

took a cymbal hit, and isolated it.
from strike, to decay (choosing the right cymbal is key)

simply flip the audio (reverse)

line up so that the 'strike' is at the point literally just before the whole band comes in.
i actually did a 'ALT-mouse-drag' across almost every track and erased a split second of audio right at that moment, so it would stand out.


now, you could apply the same 'idea' to a piece of guitar audio.

clean track, strike the chord, let it decay.
flip the audio (reverse ) and slide it to line up so that the 'strike' (now at the end of the little audio clip) lines up with the end of your 'swell', and mix that audio into your swell audio with automation.

Advice on the mix is also appreciated as I have struggled a bit with this song!

The "hiss" is the friggen reversed track it's got a wierd high end to it.  I am gonna have to put a mean lowpass filter on it and just let the low end meat come through.   I could probably kick the effect up a bit more but I don't want too much either.  I am real big on making sure we ca resonably reproduce it live too, ya know?

Hi there Mp3,  You must be more familiar with the GearSlutz style of musical forum.... Here, we are actually friends and helpful with each other.  We don't tear each other to shreds like the sharks at other forums unless some ****head shows up with something to prove...
So I would advise you to step back and rethink what ever vomit it is you are trying to get out of your mouth or you are politely invited to s*ck my **ucking di*k.   Thank you.  I appreciate your input.  Have a nice day!

I'll give ya that I had crushed it with compression and the further beat it down with a limiter.  And no, after it didn't sound very good.  I got sucked into playing the loudness war.
  However, I have been working my arse off on it, and what you said was a very blunt a crappy thing to say to someone.  Equivalent to if someone asked "hey what do ya think of this model car I built?" and your reply was "would have looked better if ya hadn't stepped on it first".

MP3 where is it you think I am try to go?  I have dealt with plenty of mean people in my life. That's not a problem.  I don't know you, we aren't friendly on here, and you weren't kidding or joking around.   You are new to the forum and being an ass.   No one else said "holy crap that sounds awful!" Just you dude.  So, unless your gonna roll off your attack, Don't be surprised when I throw it back at you and call ya out for it bro!   My "skin" is quite thick enough, it doesn't mean I have to take yer sh_t though.

MP3ISTHEDEVIL


Fair enough Chuck.
Just continue on with what your already doing. Im shure it will be just fine.
 
But model cars are better when not crushed.
And if a mature adult asked for opinions on there stepped on model Id feel obligated to not insult his intelligence.
 
I guess thats where I was mistaken.
 
 
btw ive been using cakewalk software since before it was called cakewalk
Thanks for reminding me why I hate this place.    
 
 
 
 
 

No reason to hate this place. I think there could have been a nicer way to explain your feelings to the guy, don't you? I took your comment as a bit harsh personally. See, it's comments like that, that can easily upset someone. Drop a harsh comment, make a bogus statement about dynamics, don't try to explain to the guy what he may do to fix the mix....just drop the statement and leave. Then wonder why he's upset. Think about it. What did you do to help the guy? Right...not a thing. 
 
Granted, I type people novels and I don't expect anyone else to. However, if you're going to comment negatively about someone's child, at least have the decency to explain how to fix it. If you can't do that, why post at all? It literally made you sound just like a GS, pompous know-it-all that knows nothing but how to rag on another. I'm not saying that's what you are, I'm saying that's what you SOUNDED like. We all try to really help each other over here and do our best not to just rag on someone and split. Then again, I think you would know that if you really have been using the product since it was called Cakewalk if you've been a part of our family for that long. Sorry...voice for the sake of a voice is why you should hate this place...especially when you have done just that and added to some of the mayhem that DOES make this place dreadful at times.
 
-Danny