Kapucheen
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Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase...
I currently use my PV6 to run the instruments through, output to the SB live and monitor everything back from the soundcard output to the PV6 input. I then use either h/phones or listen through the monitors using the main outs from the desk. I don't use midi per se so I have no latency issues (VST etc) with this setup. However everything I've read over the past few weeks seems driven by driver/latency/monitoring whilst recording issues - which seems to me that when I buy the new PC, this weekend, and move to a USB interface, I will be intrdoucing a potential hornets nest of issues...... Right then, with a new intel I3, 4gb RAM, 500gb and 1tb HDDs, SONAR X1, and bearing in mind I need the occasional 3 track simultaneous record, I need your hard advice/experience on the following products I'm looking at, so based on what I think I know (correct me please where necessary): 1. Focusrite Saffire 6 - great reviews - ASIO drivers - low latency - this device is my first choice if I can overcome the following..... Only runs off power from USB, Googled but can't find out if you can power this with a USB cable going into a USB mains socket adpter. This means I couldn't use it in a live situation without a PC! Also only two inputs, so from what I've read, ASIO under Sonar would not let me use the Saffire and my ZOOM 2.1 USB to record simultaneous separate tracks, which would give me my three inputs. I think it is to do with clock synch and/or ASIO only lets one device "work" at a time - any advice welcome. I believe you get Saffire MixControl for routing options as well, again, restricting the "live" flexibility without a PC functionality... 2. M-AUDIO Fast Track Pro - good reviews - some bad ones - ASIO/WDM - some buzzing noise - pres aren't as good I like the look and especially the output options of this device, and it has it's own mains adapter. It has it's own routing software, so the "live" flex issue is the same, however the overall quality of the product does not appear as good as the Saffire. Hmmpf. 3. Alesis Multimix 8 USB - gives me exactly what I want - a USB device that will replace my PV6 Mixers job and allow multiple simultaneous recording to separate tracks. I can use it live and to record the band etc. The only problem is that the user reviews and the drivers say this is pretty useless!!! "avoid at all costs" as it is plug and play 4. And finally, if I sell my soul and my children into slavery (notice my wife is excluded from this deal) I may get the cash together to afford a Scarlett 8i6 - usual Focusrite plaudits as above - and own power supply - good routing software However.... the options available on the physical unit appear limited which limits it's "live" flex. Also, the outputs seem limited in that you get, from what i understand, 1 & 2 are your mains, and then 3 & 4 are linked to your headphone volume? I may be wrong :-) So, anyone out there got any one (or all?) of these, and how do you employ it? and what's your experience? Thanks for taking the time to read this, much appreciated Cheers, Kap
Sonar X1 PE, E5880, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Windows 7, 4gb RAM, Nvid 8800gt, Peavey P6 (not USB), Yamaha PSR230, Yamaha DGX305, Fender Jazz, Laney DP150 4x10, Fender Strat, Tanglewood TSF CE NST, Marshall MG15CDR, Lorenzo Ac, Zoom G2.1 USB, Zoom Bass, Behringer headphone amp.
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/18 10:14:34
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I have never owned any of the ones you are asking about, but I have had a lot of experience in helping people on the forums with various soundcards including the ones you have listed. first - let me say: STAY AWAY FROM THE ALESIS MULTIMIX USB. it uses the USB AUDIO CODEC windows drivers, there are not drivers written specifically for it. it records 1 stereo bus only, not individual tracks - (the FIREWIRE Multimix unit will record individual tracks, but it has severe driver problems). IMO, it's a waste of metal. M-audio fast track pro - very nice equipment, rarely have had any problems with drivers on the forums except during the "vista" stage. m-audio finally caught up and they now have solid drivers again. and they provide low latency monitoring. Pres are not stellar, but they will do. focusrite sapphire - most have been OK and have enjoyed good drivers, fairly trouble free use. occassionally they seem to have compatibility issues, however, but I haven't seen anyone totally give up and send it back. usually they work through the problems. I know a couple of people personally I have collaborated with who use this unit and are extremely pleased with it. focusrite has decent pres. better than m-audio, IMO, even at this price point. as far as a separate power adapter, YES, this unit does come with a power supply unit (PSU) according to their website: http://www.focusrite.com/products/saffire/saffire/specifications/ ASIO standard itself does not allow for more than one soundcard at a time to be used. the only exceptions are soundcards which are designed to work in tandem, such as the m-audio delta series, some RME and MOTU units. different manufactured soundcards will not work together in ASIO mode. and as a further warning - using different soundcards in WDM mode will also cause you problems. one of them has to be the master clock and the other is not designed to use a clock other than it's own clock, so you WILL have sync problems trying to use 2 soundcards at the same time. it is NOT advisable. another warning - and it says so on that website detail in SPECIFICATIONS about the sapphire - make sure you have a TI Firewire chipset. if your motherboard does not have TI chipset (probably not) then you'll need to get a PCI or PCIe TI Firewire card (not a combo card) to get good results from the sapphire. without it you could have static-y or popping noises. I don't know anything about the scarlett. there are a few users who have used it and have reported here on the forums. check in the HARDWARE forum and I know there is at least one review thread there, tho it may be old enough to have slipped several pages back. you might have to google: scarlett i86 site:forum.cakewalk.com to get the review/discussion about it.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/18 11:18:03
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I have the Fast track Pro. With XP pro it works 100% fine with the SPDIF inputs which is all I use ( via Yamaha 01v) If I happen to use the pre amps, the sound goes out to lunch. Not only is it fairly so, so audio quality, there is a hi pitched scream in the background. There are 4 outs that 3/4 share the SPDIF out with, My Tascam is the same so this must be common. No need for more than 4 unless you own a smokin' mix down desk. I just recently have upgraded to Window 7 but have not tried the M Audio with that computer yet. I'm hoping that better drivers woll solve the hi pitched wine problem so I can use it for mobile recording someday. Bad pre's are not an issue if a interface has SPDIF, Your better off to use a deicated outboard Pre amp with better converters anyway. ( $$$) An interfaces job is to get the 0's and 1's into a USB cable and then have stable drivers for the computer. Adding the cheap pre amps is just marketing for most of them. As always you get what you pay for. So either purchase an expensive interface that comes with good pre's, or a mediocre interface with good drivers and go the SPDIF and a outboard pre amp/ A/D box route.
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Kapucheen
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/19 08:10:33
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Thanks to both Beagle and Cactus for the responses, much appreciated. I would only be looking at USB devices, and I believe that both M-Audio Fast Track Pro and Saffire 6 are USB 1.1. whereas the Scarlett 8i6 is USB 2.0. The Saffire 6 is currently top of my leader board, closely followed by "Nagging Doubt" - which is that I purchase a 2/4 interface and then find myself totally in need of more inputs! LOL Beagle - I found the thread you mentioned, thanks - phewee...those guys have had some serious issues with the 18i6. This all makes me thankful that my current humble setup yields such good results. One thing that thread did make me think about was the Edirol USB midi cable I use with my Yamaha keyb. At present I record the midi input using the Edirol and the native keyboard sound through the SB via the PV6 mixer. If I buy the new interface do I have to use the MIDI In/out on the interface due to the ASIO "one at a time" issue? And will that allow for midi and guitar/bass recording at the same time in Sonar? Or can I use the interface for instrument/vocal and keep the Edirol for midi input? Again, does this allow for simultaneous instrument and MIDI recording? Thanks in advance as I bow to your knowledge!
Sonar X1 PE, E5880, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Windows 7, 4gb RAM, Nvid 8800gt, Peavey P6 (not USB), Yamaha PSR230, Yamaha DGX305, Fender Jazz, Laney DP150 4x10, Fender Strat, Tanglewood TSF CE NST, Marshall MG15CDR, Lorenzo Ac, Zoom G2.1 USB, Zoom Bass, Behringer headphone amp.
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/19 08:42:40
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M-Audio Fast Track Ultra is a more reliable version. Or how about the new Roland Quad-Capture?
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Cactus Music
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/19 22:54:09
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I'm pretty sure the the Audio and MIDI drivers are separate. Now most controllers use USB anyway so that's why the old DIN jacks are fading away. My son just gave me a whole new system and it came with a USB controller, I plugged it in with Sonar running and it worked after driver update dialogue.
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/19 23:21:11
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have you overlooked the Liquid 56 or was it too pricey-2 liquid pres and 6 "ordinary"pres-for under a grand-also a good base to expand i/o`s via adat with octopre`s etc- there`s been some controversy about Mix Control but i sent all my software and interfaces to the daw builder who installed and benchtested until it was bulletproof-well worth the extra money as i lost so much valuable time with all the dropouts and glitches on my DIY rig.
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/20 02:03:50
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Kapucheen Thanks to both Beagle and Cactus for the responses, much appreciated. I would only be looking at USB devices, and I believe that both M-Audio Fast Track Pro and Saffire 6 are USB 1.1. whereas the Scarlett 8i6 is USB 2.0. The Saffire 6 is currently top of my leader board, closely followed by "Nagging Doubt" - which is that I purchase a 2/4 interface and then find myself totally in need of more inputs! LOL Beagle - I found the thread you mentioned, thanks - phewee...those guys have had some serious issues with the 18i6. This all makes me thankful that my current humble setup yields such good results. One thing that thread did make me think about was the Edirol USB midi cable I use with my Yamaha keyb. At present I record the midi input using the Edirol and the native keyboard sound through the SB via the PV6 mixer. If I buy the new interface do I have to use the MIDI In/out on the interface due to the ASIO "one at a time" issue? And will that allow for midi and guitar/bass recording at the same time in Sonar? Or can I use the interface for instrument/vocal and keep the Edirol for midi input? Again, does this allow for simultaneous instrument and MIDI recording? Thanks in advance as I bow to your knowledge! no, you do not have to use the MIDI I/O on an interface if you already use an Edriol USB MIDI cable that works. MIDI is not part of the ASIO driver protocol, tha'ts completely separate. it's only the A/D and D/A converters which are affected by the soundcard drivers. yes, you can reocrd guitar/bass and MIDI at the same time. latency will be the deciding factor, however, if you can do it effectively. if you don't have a soundcard with low latency then you'll be fighting against your resources trying to record MIDI at allregardless of trying to record audio at the same time. I agree with strikinglyhansome - the fast track ULTRA or the Roland Octa capture would be good units too look at. the saffire I was looking at was the firewire one, not the USB one. I forgot they build a USB one recently. the fast track pro MK2 is USB2, the original fast track series are/were 1.1. however, even 1.1 is sufficient for recording up to 6 to 9 simultaneous inputs but at higher latency at the higher simultaneous track counts.
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Kapucheen
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/20 03:51:48
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Thanks for all the responses guys. My budget for the interface is around £150-200 max, so the Saffire6 and Fast Track Pro fit into the bracket with prices here in the UK. The Liquid is out of my reach, as is (if I'm being honest with myself) the Scarlett 8i6 - can't help but look at it though! ;-) If I can use my Edirol, then I think I'm going to go for the Saffire6 simply as it seems it is the least likely to cause me major problems with drivers, latency et al. Now I just need to find out where I put my Christmas list 'cos Santa needs to know that's what I want! Best regards, Kap
Sonar X1 PE, E5880, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Windows 7, 4gb RAM, Nvid 8800gt, Peavey P6 (not USB), Yamaha PSR230, Yamaha DGX305, Fender Jazz, Laney DP150 4x10, Fender Strat, Tanglewood TSF CE NST, Marshall MG15CDR, Lorenzo Ac, Zoom G2.1 USB, Zoom Bass, Behringer headphone amp.
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Kapucheen
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/20 03:56:18
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Beagle - on a completely different note - I see your're running a 2500k (which has just come out in UK) with 8gb RAM on 7x64. I'm looking for a new PC for my youngest son for Christmas and that is the build I have been looking at. My question is around the use the system makes of the 8gb - have you run it with only 4gb at all? and do you notice any conceivable performance improvements with 8? Grateful for your thoughts. Cheers, Kap
Sonar X1 PE, E5880, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Windows 7, 4gb RAM, Nvid 8800gt, Peavey P6 (not USB), Yamaha PSR230, Yamaha DGX305, Fender Jazz, Laney DP150 4x10, Fender Strat, Tanglewood TSF CE NST, Marshall MG15CDR, Lorenzo Ac, Zoom G2.1 USB, Zoom Bass, Behringer headphone amp.
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Beagle
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2011/10/20 20:32:01
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I have not ran my current computer with only 4G of RAM, I installed all 8G during the build. but my previous computer was a Q6600 with 4G of RAM on winxp -32bit. I've used sonar on both machines and there's a significant improvement between the two systems. of course the 2500 is fast than the Q6600 as well as more RAM available in 64bit programs, but I am really happy with the performance of the current system. I can also verify that I go above 4G of usage in sonar when using Kontakt, sampletank and EZDrummer/Superior Drummer 2 since they load samples into the RAM for advanced streaming. also if you want to look at some more options for a new soundcard, check out my website. I have recommendations there.
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Kapucheen
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/21 09:41:08
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Thanks Beagle. I have already perused your site and checked out the table, useful info. Also listened to your tunes, enjoyed the lot. The irony I have is that my youngest son will have a better spec PC than me! All the best, Kap
Sonar X1 PE, E5880, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Windows 7, 4gb RAM, Nvid 8800gt, Peavey P6 (not USB), Yamaha PSR230, Yamaha DGX305, Fender Jazz, Laney DP150 4x10, Fender Strat, Tanglewood TSF CE NST, Marshall MG15CDR, Lorenzo Ac, Zoom G2.1 USB, Zoom Bass, Behringer headphone amp.
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/21 10:03:03
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haha - yeah. kids need better machines so they can play online games and stream movies! ;-)
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Cactus Music
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/22 00:32:42
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But that's OK because then they take pitty on you and give you there old stuff like me. On a note, Just had a chance to hook up the Fast Track Pro and installed the latest drivers to my W764 bit computer (the one my son gave me) and the high pitched whine is still there. So not sure if it's just a defective unit or this is the sound of el cheapo A/D converters. The sound goes away the minute you disable the audio engine. The Tascam us1641 is performing brilliantly. I can now use all the VST's my heart desires without a hitch. Just put in 2 long days and all is 100%. Can now learn how to use session drummer etc. So any negatives with the Tascam drivers have been resolved with version 2.01. So I personally won't recommend the M Audio fast track pro-- but give the Tascam a thumbs up @ $300 with 16 inputs+Made out of steel+good monitoring+ RTL now down to 10ms. ( XP 32 system was 27ms)
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/22 12:02:20
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My bet is on it being a defective unit, Johnny. I've helped a lot of people on the forums with fast track ultras who do not have feedback/whine problems. I assume you've checked your routinng both internal and external on it, right? It sounds like a feedback issue, but could be hardware related instead of settings.
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Cactus Music
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2011/10/23 13:54:29
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I don't have the Ultra, it is a Fast Track Pro. I've tried it on at least 4 different systems now XP 32 bit and W7 64 bit included. Plug in the USB cable, using just the headphone jack to listen with nothing plugged into the in's or out jacks, The minute Sonar's audio engine starts you get a high pitched whine. Switch to SPDIF input and it's squeaky clean. So I just use the SPDIF and for me it works fine as I am lucky enough to have a digital mixer. Just a warning to anyone thinking of using the analog A/D converters. Be interested to hear from other Fast track pro owners. I think the Ultra is probably a much better unit. I'm using the Tascam now anyhow and so far so good.
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2011/10/23 23:29:50
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Kapucheen
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/24 08:36:19
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I must say that the whole move to USB thing is beginning to worry me a bit. With my Zoom 2.1 USB guitar pedal as soon as you hook up the USB you get an audible "crackle" or a sort of light popping sound when the any tracks are armed for recording. Unplug it and all is quiet..... Like you say Cactus, it would be useful to hear from other FT Pro users on their experiences.
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/24 10:42:00
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Any pops and crackles should be avoidable. I wouldn't expect to get that on even a relatively cheap dedicated audio interface. Is everything set up properly?
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Re:Any of you guys got one of these interfaces? I have a couple more questions b4 purchase
2011/10/24 10:46:24
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Many people have posted problems with Zoom stuff. Or does it even have drivers?
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