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2007/08/13 10:27:34 (permalink)

Any one...Please help

I konw this is not a soundcard forum, but I know some of you have the E-MU 0404. This is a great card and it works great. My true question is has anyone ran dual soundcards with this. I need CD Rom sound support for my drum creation apps, The 0404 does not have this. Just seeing if anyone has pulled this off. I was going to reinstall my soundbalster live and use it for CD support. Like I said has anyone else done this and how does it work?

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    gamblerschoice
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 11:21:13 (permalink)
    When I upgraded from the 0404 to the 1820, I contacted emu support to find out if I could run both cards for the extra inputs, and they told me it was one or the other, never both. As soon as I wrote that, I thought this may not apply to you, since you are talking about two different types of cards, but as far as memory serves, emu support was very good, easy to get through to, and easy to understand. You might check their on line support, the have a data base of previously asked questions you could search through.
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 11:48:41 (permalink)
    Thanks man!! I sent them a support e-mail. I knew you had one of these cards and I tried PM you but your inbox was full. Thanks man I'll let you know the result

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 11:49:27 (permalink)
    Geeve,
    Don't do it. The SB Live and The E-MU0404 will take turns knocking each other out. I fought this for several days before I finally accepted it.
    Go into Patchmix and set up a Wave input strip. Or try the Wavelab Lite preset in Patchmix. I won't be home 'til after 6:00MST.
    I'll check my setup then, and get back to you.

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 12:26:06 (permalink)
    If robert's suggestion will help, I would go that route first, if you remember the discussions (arguments??) between robo and beagle, the onboard soundcard can cause problems, so I am sure two different add ons will argue with each other. I have always had a wave strip in my patchmix, so I can go to msn music or wolfgang's vault, play music through the patchmix wave strip and then record in soundforge or m/c. Probably not supposed to do that, I have a few new release albums recorded for free, and the classic stuff on the vault, but I figure I'm not re-selling anything, so my offense is minimal...
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 12:54:06 (permalink)
    Yeah beagle's point was always valid, two cards can conflict, and for newbies it is a good idea to simplify things. The other thought is that two card can give more options if setup right. I know guys who use a second card like a hardware synth, they may record with an Audiophile 24/96 and then route thru an audigy live card with a full set of sound fonts and allow it to be a built in synth set. Much depends on the card. Some cards like the M-Audio PCI cards can be chained, so some folks put in a delta 44 and a delta 66 and get 10 channels of input or three delta 1010 and have 24 channels if input.

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 15:12:39 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. I guess the real problem was no CD rom audio and the only way I could think to fix it was two audio cards. Makes sence for conflics though. I'm still trying to figure out the mixer that came with it, Man there's a lot to it!! Hell I haven't even figured out how to get the fx in the chainer. I know I could read the tutorials but that would be to easy I'm going to try some other stuff tonight with it, Maybe I can get out of work early Any way I'm sure my problem is user ignorance. Thanks again

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 16:02:26 (permalink)
    I printed the help files/manual that came with the 0404, and would not have been able to get anything done without it, and aklso have had to go back to it on occasion, old age...poor memory...but I needed those help files in print, and still use it.
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/13 22:05:22 (permalink)
    Geeve,
    The SB Live 5.1 is much better for games, which is why I tried so hard to save it. Alas, these two cards get along as well as my kids. Only one in the room and all is good.
    Anyhow, the first shot here shows a CD playing in WMP, and being recorded to a track in Home Studio.
    The second is a close-up of Patchmix.


    Makes sure you select 44.1k or the CD audio will skip.
    With the configuration shown, you can control your levels with WMP and Patchmix.
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 09:14:47 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. I got it to work last night, Thank you again your help as always was priceless. One more question then I'll leave you guys alone about htis damn soundcard What are you guys using for preamp. This card has no 20 db boost. I found an effect in the emu mixer called Trim Pot. It works well, but I was wondering what you guys are using. I tried my guitar amp using the EXT out but way to much wattage, It clips no matter what. Any thoughts, and again thanks

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 09:53:33 (permalink)
    A small mixer pairs up nicely with this card, and will give you the needed pres. I use a Yamaha MG10/2(about$100). It has very quiet preamps.
    Behrenger has several in the $50-100 range.
    If that EXT is a speaker out, definitely don't use that. If it is a Line output it may be +4 db, which is pretty hot compared to a -10db signal.
    Don't worry about asking too many questions. That's why we're here.
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 09:55:11 (permalink)
    With the 0404, I used a small preamp, can't remember the name right now, will get it for you if you are interested, cost around $49, tube type, very quiet and efficient, but since upgrading the entire system, I now use the onboard preamps in the yamaha mixer I bought. But, you will need a preamp, no getting around that....maybe other suggestions will follow.
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 10:17:30 (permalink)
    Cool, Yes the amp has EXT speaker out. What kind of DB jump do I need in general, or watts not sure how they are rated. Thanks again

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 10:18:43 (permalink)
    I guess I'm asking what's to hot and what's not hot enough. (easy there Goldie Locks)

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 20:58:49 (permalink)
    Any mixer should provide a proper signal for your 0404USB inputs. The two inputs on the 0404usb are switchable between MIC/LINE/INST levels. I don't know if that's in hardware or software or if it's automatic or what because I haven't looked at the details of this card, but I know from the quick specs that they accept those input levels.

    having said that, any mixer will be "hot enough" for this card. if you want some other recommendations other than what my fine friends have already stated above, check out my website:

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 21:18:57 (permalink)
    Hey Beagle,
    Good to see you. I kind of wish E-MU had chosen an entirely different model designation for the USB version. It is a very different animal. The PCI version wants a line level input.
    Geeve, I have understood that you have the PCI version. Is that correct? Beagle raises a good point, and it could make a difference.

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 22:37:55 (permalink)
    I also have a Yamaha mixer, the MG8/2FX, and I've heard here that the Yamaha's have good preamps, although I probably wouldn't know the difference. It was $160 a year or so ago at Sam Ash, and has onboard effects if I ever want to go live. And phantom power, too.
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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 22:44:55 (permalink)
    Thanks for the welcome! I'll still try to stop in occassionally...not drop off the face of the forum completely! just over-busy is all...not even time to record or create, really...

    Yeah, I agree that it probably would have been better just to call it something else since it really is a completely different beast. marketing people think very different from me, tho!

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/14 23:21:16 (permalink)
    Copy that, Beag.
    geeve, assuming you are using the PCI version, here is a generic rundown:
    Guitar, Mic(Dynamic)...Not hot enough. Needs a Preamp.
    Guitar through an effects pedal(such as my Digitech RP80)....Possibly hot enough, but most likely will benefit from a preamp.
    Mic(Condenser) needs a preamp AND 48v Phantom power(usually provided by mixer)
    Line Level...Ideal
    Speaker Out...Way too hot, unless you like the smell of burning electronics.. or need a handy excuse to upgrade your computer.

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    RE: Any one...Please help 2007/08/15 09:45:04 (permalink)
    Yes I have the PCI version. That was very helpful. I found a fairley inexpensive preamp that has phantom power and controlable gain. I think I'll go this route and be done for awhile. I think my wife is just about to choke me out if I keep buying more stuff Thank you all for your help. As always....Priceless.

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