smallstonefan
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Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
I'm thinking of something that would allow you to put an instance at the beginning of an effects chain and one at the end, but it would relate them somehow and show you one simple meter displaying the gain reduction.
I'm trying the Brauerize mixing technique, and this would be super helpful.
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 11:34:39
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You could use a stand-alone analyzer such as SPAN (free) or something like iZotope's Insight (not free). Basically anything that it "analysis only" should be suitable.
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smallstonefan
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 11:42:05
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Thanks for the input. I don't believe that will do what I need, which is show a simple meter displaying gain reduction caused by one or more plugins. I want to mix into a bus and be able to see how much the comp(s) on that buss are reducing the signal... Maybe I'm missing something with these?
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 12:00:05
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Oh, you want a plugin to tap multiple audio points and display the difference. I am not sure of any for that offhand (especially in a chain), but there definitely could be some. You can sit analysis tools side by side, but need to manually notice the difference.
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 14:07:02
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I've used MMultiAnalyzer that way, mainly to evaluate compressors. You insert two instances but only need to look at one of them, as any instance can superimpose up to 16 sources, color-coded to distinguish one from another. Very easy to use - just drop them in and each instance is automatically aware of every other instance. Works better than a simple meter because you can view (and freeze) a scrolling history showing amplitude relationships over time.
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 15:00:37
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Yeah, it is not a simple GR meter but offers a couple of ways to view differences. Here I have opened up both instances to look at two different views in the Loudness & Wave tab. 
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smallstonefan
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 15:33:47
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scook and bit - this is closer to what I'm looking for! My goal is to push into compressors and keep the GR no more than about -1.5db, so I really need a meter; I don't think I could use MMAnalyzer (which I do have) to easily discern this.
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 20:47:48
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Sure you can. Give it a try. Gain reduction is just the difference between the two traces. In Steve's screenshot he's got the scale set to LUFS; you'd probably prefer decibels. I'd also suggest suppressing the waveform display to make the graph cleaner. If you really want to use a meter, I'd suggest getting a compact bar-type meter so you can position one directly under another. I had a compact bar-type VU meter on my old computer, but I can't remember where I got it. But there are a number of free VU meters out there. The Sleepy Time DSP one is very nice, but not very compact. The LSR Audio meter looks great and has a peak indicator.
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 20:56:54
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 21:10:57
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That'd be a good one. For 3 bucks, it's not only an easy-to-read meter it's also got the auto-gain and group-gain features as a bonus.
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 22:00:16
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/12 22:12:32
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Good 'un, and Tony's apparently updating the GUI as we speak.
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smallstonefan
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/13 09:36:57
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Thanks guys - I actually have Hornet, VUMT, and Waves Dorrough. Problem is they won't perform a tap to show me the gain reduction between two points in a chain. I'll take a look at analyzer again though. Pro Tools HD actually has a gain reduction meter built into it's interface - pretty cool. In this video at 9:29 you can see the gain reduction meter working - it's small but it's at the top of the four right-most green buses. This allows you to set up compressors on these buses and easy see how much compression you are applying as you feed the buses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btj8WA33Dwc
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/14 09:42:33
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I went through my collection of compressors to see which of them don't have a GR meter. I could only find one that didn't (Cakewalk Compressor/Gate). Which compressor are you evaluating?
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smallstonefan
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Re: Any stand-alone gain reduction meters?
2016/10/14 09:51:54
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Hi bit,
It'ms more complicated than that, and then again it isn't. :) I'm trying the Braerizing mixing technique which consists of a bunch of compressor buses that you push your mix elements into. I could have all of the comps up but they would take a bunch of space so I was looking for another option. I'm finding this entire process more complicated than necessary, and I'm close abandoning it. Ordinarily, I go for complicated stuff, but I have my limits! :)
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