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2016/12/03 12:15:51 (permalink)

Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10?

I have an old Roland Cakewalk V-Studio 20 that I loved but haven't used for years.....
I'd love to get it going again with the new Sonar (Artist or Home Studio) and enjoy its entry level control board features again..... Not to mention the cool Boss FX onboard.
I see Roland dropped the support for it at Win 7 :-(
Would be nice to get a 100 or 700 model as I think both of them went to Win 8.1, but not so avail these days.

I heard a few may have come up with alternative drivers/scripting for it here.....
Any info appreciated!
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/03 13:05:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GregRband 2016/12/04 19:10:15

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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/03 14:50:07 (permalink)
No, I haven't seen or heard about that.... thanks! I'll look into it! 
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/04 12:29:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GregRband 2016/12/04 19:10:05
Well Thanks to MackTheKnight and dustriplin
I got all My Roland Gear Working on windows 10
VS-20/VS-100/VS-700 And A-800 Pro
Should keep me going for a few more years
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/04 13:05:25 (permalink)
Cool. Do you know if it directly works for V-Studio 20 and newest Sonar breeds? Makes me sad to get rid of since it was my first home studio gear of years ago! It's still cool, even if it only works with Sonar :)
I got the stand alone Boss effects interface to load last night, but after a few too many variable tries with the Win 8 driver I gave up trying to get Win 10 to recognize the actual interface when plugged in..... :(
I have not tried the above mentioned fixes for the 700 series, they seem a little confusing to a non Windows tech guy like me. Maybe it's not as hard as seems....dunno. Also don't want to mess with it if is not same for VS 20..... Hoping someone who has got the 20 working in Win 10 will chime in specifically.
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/04 13:34:09 (permalink)
Actually, I opened a support ticket for this question with Cakewalk before I made this post. Happy to report I got a response for both my questions (2 tickets) in 24 hours. I was impressed! Not a simple reply either, both were understanding, informative with links, a mention of this forum fix, and friendly! Neither ticket was a high priority either( old VS 20 and new Home Studio questions as compared to my current Cakewalk products)..... Not sure why so many complain of Customer Support with Cakewalk, I've experienced much much worse with multiple other related companies, no reply, week(s) to reply, or short crappy non related answers that didn't help at all..... Some offer very cool products, but have the worst support imo, Air is one of them FYI. I've heard the same crap about Blackstar, but I have had nothing but great support from them myself. Years ago Cakewalk was very kind to my questions about the Guitar Tracks software updates that came with the V-Studio 20 also. Wanted to throw that out there for any newbies to know!

I was suggested to give Roland a try and see if by chance they may offer some support to the Win 10 issue. I have yet to try them with support ticket. Will relay anything if useful here.
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/04 18:20:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GregRband 2016/12/04 19:09:45
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did you try what we did for the vs700?
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/How-to-use-V700-win-8-driver-in-win-10-also-applies-to-some-other-Roland-drivers-m3206046.aspx



Can't recommend this thread enough, got my V-Studio running on Windows 10.

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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/04 19:08:39 (permalink)
Thanks Anderton! I read over it again, decided to grab both Win 7 and Win 8 versions of VS20 drivers from Roland site, found a help page on adding drivers to Win 10 devices (much like referenced steps above, but with pics and a few more explained steps). I have a big drum program downloading atm, so I need to wait til its done to do reboots. I am confident since the above and page I found are similar, that I just might, maybe get it going! Woohoo! 
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/05 14:14:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GregRband 2016/12/20 06:09:24
I hope if I spam forum (so Google) with the following info in every related post, may be Roland will give up...
 
Driver manufacturers CAN specify the Windows version(s) for which particular package is valid. Some (friendly) companies do NOT specify the upper version of Windows. And most corresponding drivers, originally written for Vista/Win7/Win8 can be installed and work ok in Win10.
But Roland for MOST there driver (funny that not for all...) specify that particular driver is for one Win version only. So, as soon as they stop upload new drivers, all future versions of Windows are AUTOMATICALLY not supported!
The driver can STILL WORK fine, but it can not be installed!
 
Mentioned "hack" is nothing more then REMOVING FROM the driver DESCRIPTION the upper limit for Win version. Unfortunately, editing this TEXT DESCRIPTION file modify the whole package signature. And Windows does not allow installing such packages till explicitly asked ("do not check the signature").
 
And there 2 related notes:
1) Roland has "programmed" that any versions of Windows after 8.1 will be unsupported. Was that written somewhere? Is that allowed to sell products with EXPLICIT expiration without noticing the customer?
Let say you buy a car. And it has build-in GPS tracker, which notice which roads you drive. After 2 years it just stop the engine (without any technical reason) if you try to take the road you have not visited so far. Is that legal?
 
2) As can be proved by Linux drivers (with the source code!), most Roland devices require THE SAME driver. But for some device numbers they release "new" drivers (I guess just recompile, pack, upload...), for other not.
 
PS. I forgot to mention: I use VS-20 under Win10 successfully.
 

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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/11 17:59:35 (permalink)
GregRband
 
 from Roland site, found a help page on adding drivers to Win 10 devices (much like referenced steps above, but with pics and a few more explained steps).




 
Would you mind sharing the link to the help page? 
thanks




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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/20 06:26:45 (permalink)
thanks for the additional info. I somehow didn't get back to the last comments here....... 
I tried an alternative site steps, oh, about two dozen times or more.... couldn't get it to stick, 
So, I will have to revisit this link mentioned and go over it again to see if I can manage the text modify part.... kind of weary of screwing it up! 
Sounds like you have the VS-20 working fine, so I will have to try better........ gasp! 
Not a programmer by any means ;) 
Thanks again! 
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/20 06:40:37 (permalink)
Sorry about delay.... I forgot to come back to this thread to answer new comments awhile back.... Sadly, I wasn't able to get these ideas to work from the page I found off of Roland comments somewhere, but maybe you will have better luck. I am going to take another look at the thread that seems to work for everyone else mentioned above a few times, and hopefully not mess anything up! Let me know if it works for you. Here you go:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_devices/how-to-install-and-update-drivers-in-windows-10/a97bbbd1-9973-4d66-9a5b-291300006293
 
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Re: Any success with V-Studio 20 and Windows 10? 2016/12/21 17:08:23 (permalink)
I did it guys!!!!!
I finally was able to try out the mentioned forum fix for the Win 10 driver mod on my V-Studio 20! I am so excited to have her back up and running again! Seems to work great in new Sonar Home Studio far as I can tell! It wasn't as hard to do as I thought it was.....Awesomeness! 
Thank you all for the help and encouragement! 
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post edited by GregRband - 2016/12/21 18:39:29
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