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2011/03/28 17:40:51 (permalink)

Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard?

I have recently updated my DAW to a dual core win7 whiz bang hot dog daddy system and am finding that a lot of my gear is not compatible. I put off the update from XP sp3 for a long time, and am beginning to regret it.

I have used my m-audio fw-410 for about 8 years now with no issues until now. M-audio has not updated their drivers since 11/09 and I am not able to use the driver they have for many reasons. (crackling beyond belief) and their forum indicates that everyone else has been suffering too.

My q is I am buying a new card today (NOT M-Audio) and I am way out of the loop on that technology. Any suggestions for 300 to 500 price range? Maybe with DSP?

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 17:44:37 (permalink)
    VS -100

    I am a sucker for the VS range though

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 17:50:10 (permalink)
    What format do you want?
    RME is all good

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 17:53:26 (permalink)
    OK Norrie the VS-100 Cakewalk?

    Twigman... are you asking about Firewire or USB ect.? I have both ports available.

    EDIT..Very Funny twigman..I just looked them up...yea they are nice alright...for 2,000US

    Anyone with a serious answer? I will say again...for 300 to 500 (thanks)
    post edited by 6stringsat100mph - 2011/03/28 17:59:42
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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 17:56:38 (permalink)

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 17:59:47 (permalink)
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      are you asking about Firewire or USB ect.? I have both ports available.


    Yes.....RME do FW, USB, PCI and PCIe.....how many I/O do you need?

    I think I'll only ever buy RME as their drivers are rock solid and the quality second to none.


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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 18:08:52 (permalink)
    Thank you,sir. While a bit out of my price range, I may need to think about spending more. This unit looks fantastic for 700.00 retail I imagine street price is a hundred or 2 less.

    Going to Guitar center right now to look at this unit a bit more closely. (If they have it.)

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 18:10:43 (permalink)
    Twigman I didn't mean to sound rude in my response, but I got so excited when I saw one of these units I said...ok whats the catch and looked up the price of the 400 and WOW,,,so I am sorry for my curt reply.
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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 18:47:20 (permalink)
    There was a thread yesterday about this and I was looking at the VS too but Thomas directed the person to this interface from MOTU which, to me, looks really good... in fact it may look a little better to me.
     
    http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite-mk3
     
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    Thread from yesterday: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2266039
     
    If you dont want or need the effects this looks like about the same thing but with no effects... and it is really cheap:
     
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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 18:58:55 (permalink)
    Forget about anything else in this price range .......

    Go octacapture , or Rme babyface or firfece if you got the budget ....

    The rest is just not in the same league .......including motu !!

    We made a test of some crazy converters and just for fun we tested the octacapture and we were like dammm !!!

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 19:12:02 (permalink)
    + 1 on the Octo-capture !

    It has the same pres as the VS-700 form what I have been told

    I am picking one up to add to my VS-700

    If you can afford it I would get the Octo-capture before anything else out there !

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 19:53:48 (permalink)
    Info on Octa-Capture here:

    At 599.00 street price, it's a nice interface for sure - especially if you need 8 mic pre's. If not you could consider something else.

    As mentioned, RME also makes nice stuff, but I believe it will cost more for a similar I/O configuration.

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 20:12:19 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for their input. I ended up going with a Focusrite saffire pro14. I bought it for 187 including 8.1% tax at the local guitar center. I use to work there so they take real good care of me.  Retail was 299 and it has DSP with 8 in 6 out which is actually more than I need. I am going to set it up now.

    Thanks again for the input folks.

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 20:19:51 (permalink)
    sounds good, if you having issues with pops and clicks ..let me know I use a 410 in W7-32 no issues, new interface should be awsom...
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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/28 20:52:48 (permalink)
    Forget about anything else in this price range ....... Go octacapture , or Rme babyface or firfece if you got the budget .... The rest is just not in the same league .......including motu !! We made a test of some crazy converters and just for fun we tested the octacapture and we were like dammm !!! For the price it's unbelievable ....

     
    I'm glad you posted this. I went straight and tok a look. The Octo-Capture looks great. I took a look at the VS-100 and from what I can tell the OC has faster drivers. They do not mention the VS streaming drivers on the VS-100 page at SW.
    I am learning and this is something I am glad to have learned. I don't need that many I/O but the speed latency is important to me.
     
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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 00:35:45 (permalink)
    The Octa-Capture has been on the top of my list of wants.  Just under it is the V-Studio 700. 

    As for 8 mic pres I think it well worth having them because practically all I/Fs in this price range have just 2 mic pres.  I've recently wanted to record using three mics (a stereo pair and a SM57) and it just can't be done easily.

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 00:44:00 (permalink)
    The Octa seems to be the latest rage.  The Steinberg mr16 was last week's flavor.  Both are a bit above your price.  The focusrite seems to be popular - let us know how you like it.  The TC Konnekt 6 is a real good deal - they were going for $200 the last time I looked.  Superior sound and the drivers are fixed these days.  If you pay any mind to reviews SOS called it the new benchmark for convertors for the sub $500 price, tho that was a couple of years ago.


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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 01:25:38 (permalink)
    the octa capture/vs drivers are awesome.

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 01:50:47 (permalink)
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    sounds good, if you having issues with pops and clicks ..let me know I use a 410 in W7-32 no issues, new interface should be awsom...


    Will do....
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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 02:05:48 (permalink)
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    Forget about anything else in this price range ....... Go octacapture , or Rme babyface or firfece if you got the budget .... The rest is just not in the same league .......including motu !! We made a test of some crazy converters and just for fun we tested the octacapture and we were like dammm !!! For the price it's unbelievable ....

       I took a look at the VS-100 and from what I can tell the OC has faster drivers.
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     i think it's the same drivers for both.

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 02:34:09 (permalink)
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    Info on Octa-Capture here:

    At 599.00 street price, it's a nice interface for sure - especially if you need 8 mic pre's. If not you could consider something else.

    As mentioned, RME also makes nice stuff, but I believe it will cost more for a similar I/O configuration.


    What kind of true round trip latency do you get with the Octa?
    Same question for the MOTU 828 MK3 Hybrid for that matter.

    With RME, at least the PCI/PCIe cards, you can probably run down to 32 samples for playing VSTi.
    Not sure how the others compare.


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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 05:32:03 (permalink)
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    EMU 1616M

     
     
     
    http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=19007
     


    That looks good on paper to me too but I read about a lot of problems people have with it.
    Also it's really Creative so support is going to suck.
    Can't find drivers on their site?
    I'd be a bit nervous about it although like I said, looks like one heck of a deal.


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    had the 1616M ...good convertors , drivers way not optimized for me , had a better latency in firewire with fireface than in pci !!

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    had the 1616M ...good convertors , drivers way not optimized for me , had a better latency in firewire with fireface than in pci !!


    That's what I have heard.

    The MOTU 828MK3 Hybrid looks sweet for the money, but again what kind of latency are we talking about?

    I can't seem to locate any information that I trust.



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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 12:40:08 (permalink)
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    sounds good, if you having issues with pops and clicks ..let me know I use a 410 in W7-32 no issues, new interface should be awsom...


    Will do....

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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 13:58:58 (permalink)
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    EMU 1616M




    http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=19007



    That looks good on paper to me too but I read about a lot of problems people have with it.
    Also it's really Creative so support is going to suck.
    Can't find drivers on their site?
    I'd be a bit nervous about it although like I said, looks like one heck of a deal.
    Yes, The EMU support if you call them, they are VERY friendly...but fast on add new drivers...NO not very fast...
     
    There are new drivers to WINDOWS 7 x64 and OSX. The new BETA drivers work perfect with Windows 7 x64. No issues at all with 1616M stable as rock.
    http://connect.creativelabs.com/emu/default.aspx 
     
     
     
    And the value what you get for the money £$€. You will need to add 4-10 times more cash to get the same converters...  
     
    Here are the same CLASS converters as EMU 1616M card if you compare
    http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/rosetta-series.php
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    had the 1616M ...good convertors , drivers way not optimized for me , had a better latency in firewire with fireface than in pci !!


    That's what I have heard.

    The MOTU 828MK3 Hybrid looks sweet for the money, but again what kind of latency are we talking about?

    I can't seem to locate any information that I trust.


    ...and MOTU drivers are terrible unstable... talk about crash all day long in the studio.. think again...


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    Re:Any suggestions on a good useable win7 soundcard? 2011/03/29 14:46:17 (permalink)
    What kind of true round trip latency do you get with the Octa? Same question for the MOTU 828 MK3 Hybrid for that matter.

     
    The OctaCapture yields 7.2ms RTL at the 48-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k
     
    The MOTU pre mkIII units yield 5.5ms RTL at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k
    The mkIII units are right about equal to the OctaCapture RTL wise (albeit at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size)
     
    The RME Babyface yields 4.9ms RTL at a 48-sample ASIO buffer size
     
    The M-Audio FastTrack Ultra 8R yields 5.5ms RTL at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k (in high-performance mode)
     
    FWIW, I've had good luck with all the above...
     
    I'm not a fan of typical USB/Firewire units... as they use a large/hidden safety buffer... which results in huge RTL (making effective software based monitoring impractical - ie: Playing/monitoring in realtime thru an AmpSim plugin)
     
    Whatever the OP chooses, I'd recommend going with a proven rock-solid unit.
    After the PC itself, that's the second most critical piece in achieving a rock-solid DAW.

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