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2018/11/24 16:44:25 (permalink)

Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer?

I'm getting good results with Addictive Drums 2, but I've always had a dislike of some parts of it's gui...

In particular, the gain/pan controls for cymbals.

BFD I know handles them more to my liking and I remember leaning towards it before Cakewalk gave us AD... Being eternally broke these days, I got along, but I suddenly find myself able to change this. Too bad I don't remember why I preferred BFD back then.

Any thoughts woukd be helpful...

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 17:03:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2018/11/30 23:41:59
BFD3 user here... It allows adjustment of absolutely EVERYTHING. The realism is incredible. The sound quality is awesome as well. Check out the demo and see for yourself. I've never used Superior Drummer, but I can tell you that you would definitely be happy with BFD3.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 17:27:06 (permalink)
Superior drummer 3 user here  - I only have an old version of BDF but Superior Drummer is far far better - I have addictive drums / slate / too many others to remember but now I have Superior Drummer 3 with my favorite progressive factory, I am not using anything else! It's so easy and sounds great.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 17:34:06 (permalink)
I have them all. if I had to do it over I'd get BFD3 & EZDrummer (instead of Superior)
EZDrummer sounds better in many cases over BFD3. AD2 is my fav for creating midi tracks but lacks in sample quality, although sometimes I still prefer it over the others.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 18:16:04 (permalink)
Trust me!!! Superior Drummer 3 has changed the game. Nothing else comes close. I had BFD. Now deleted. I still tinker around with AD 2 just to throw something down fast.
Superior 3 rules supreme on all my serious projects but it does have a steep learning curve if you just started out. I used SD2 since it was released so getting a handle on 3 was not so bad.

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 18:19:28 (permalink)
Thanks Gang...

Do these both have libraries for sale as well? Are the kit samples/demos of the un-processed kits?

I dislike AD's approach as i prefer to use samples that are recorded as I would wish instead of fixed in the mix approach as AD seems to be.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 18:29:13 (permalink)
Yes, FXpansion does have libraries for BFD3. Sonic Reality also has some. I bought the Vinny Appice kit and it's awesome.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 18:30:29 (permalink)
I have both, both have strengths. I would say at this point the SD3 interface beats BFD3 though.

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 19:22:39 (permalink)
I also have them pretty much any major drum VSTi. Long time BFD user and I love the expansion packs (especially the Platinum Samples ones. ) One important thing for me is that BFD hasn't been updated much recently. Since they were puchased by Roli, not much has been going on the BFD front. Forums are quiet there. Bums me out because I always loved BFD. There was a new snare expansion kit released the other day though. Toontrack consistently update their products which i like. Even though the gap from SD2 - SD3 was long, SD 2 was updated regularly. SD3 song builder and MIDI groove finder is very useful.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 19:39:58 (permalink)
SD3 has built in Drum Replacing (even cymbals too). It's detection is pretty good too. Just need to carefully review the resulting MIDI though.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 20:08:22 (permalink)
I have SD2. Used to use it a lot before I had BFD3. Hardly touched it since. SD3 is OTT for my needs - I'd have to get another HD just to be able to install it all. That plus Toontrack's "upgrade now or else" stance has really turned me off of them as a company to deal with.
 
Between Addictive Drums 1&2, BFD3 and the drum instruments in Komplete I figure I should be able to get something that sounds reasonable.
 
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/24 20:09:03 (permalink)
I've had BFD and AD, used 'em a ton, because I never liked the sound of SD2. But when SD3 came out, the sound and the usability in my opinion beat the others by a country mile. It's all I use now. Good luck in your quest!
 

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/25 04:04:03 (permalink)
I have 2 versions of Slate and Superior Drummer 3. Between the Slate, AD 2 and SD3 there is NO comparison, SD3 slays the other two. There are a few things I wish I could change and much I need to learn but it’s taken my recordings next level. I’m about to do an album with some guys where we are either going to record midi drums via Roland TD 20 or mic drums to get clean tracks for replacing. The sounds are just that good.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 00:14:10 (permalink)
You need space to install SD3 and SDX packs...
 

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 00:33:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ØSkald 2018/12/01 15:26:08
You can get a 500GB SSD pretty cheap now for about $75.00. I picked one up for a dedicated drum drive;  SD3, BFD3  & other libraries.
I think Best Service has the best deal for SD3 ( or EZD)  atm.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 01:05:27 (permalink)
EZD & SD2 then EZD2 & SD3.
But just like Trilian I have barely scratched the surface.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 01:35:45 (permalink)
Not a BFD user here, but after watching others use it, BFD seems a little quicker and less fussy to set up and tweak to a good sound.
 
I am a longtime Superior Drummer user, going all the way back to Drumkit from Hell, its distant ancestor. Obviously, I'm very happy with it. However, I don't automatically recommend it to everyone.
 
SD3 is more configurable than anything else out there, which may or may not be a good thing depending on your style of usage (if you want to get up and running and sounding good fast with minimal effort, check out Steven Slate Drums).
 
SD3 has lots of expansions but they are more expensive than BFD's.
 
As noted above, SD3 is HUGE, by far the biggest sample library I have. I do not run it from an SSD, and it can take quite awhile to load.
 
SD3 has features you may never use. It has its own sequencer, but I've never used it. It has a great drum-replacement feature that I've used only a handful of times. It has gobs of effects, many of which I've never used. 
 
Bottom line is I'd say SD3 is for people who are really serious about their sequenced drums, who take their time tweaking sounds, and want no limitations. Although I fall into that category, I realize that not everyone does. Some just want to build a serviceable drum track quickly and then move on to the fun stuff, whether that's playing your guitar or singing or programming synthesizers.


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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 01:48:21 (permalink)
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Not a BFD user here, but after watching others use it, BFD seems a little quicker and less fussy to set up and tweak to a good sound.
 
Bottom line is I'd say SD3 is for people who are really serious about their sequenced drums, who take their time tweaking sounds, and want no limitations. Although I fall into that category, I realize that not everyone does. Some just want to build a serviceable drum track quickly and then move on to the fun stuff, whether that's playing your guitar or singing or programming synthesizers.




That's why I suggested BFD3 & EZDrummer instead of SD3. Kind of best of both worlds & with budget in mind. Sometimes one will be better suited over the other. Both do sound great although BFD3 does need upgrading, a bit antiquated. SD3 is much easier to use workflow wise & fully featured.
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 13:05:53 (permalink)
I think if you want help creating drum tracks, SD3 is for you. If you want to create your own drum tracks, BFD3 (or even SSD4/5) will get you there. I personally enjoy creating my drum tracks from scratch and I like the control I can get over the drums in BFD3. The add on kits are pretty spectacular.
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 15:20:44 (permalink)
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I personally enjoy creating my drum tracks from scratch and I like the control I can get over the drums in BFD3. The add on kits are pretty spectacular.
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 15:25:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry2 2018/12/03 19:57:55
Obviously there are 2 main camps; SD3 and BFD.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 15:32:49 (permalink)
I  was going to suggest checking out BFD Eco. It used to be free or cheap, now it's $99.00  but also says discontinued & no longer maintained. That's what got me into BFD3.
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/27 15:39:50 (permalink)
Easy Drummer 2 is on sale at $89, may be cheaper if you dig.
Gives you a "quick taste" of what ToonTracks is all about.
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/30 22:10:19 (permalink)
I just recorded this test last night using Superior Drummer 2, playing it from my V-Drums through REAPER for Linux. Was also trying out a Fairchild 670 and Pultec EQs that just bought that are native Linux plugins too.  Anyway, the Superior 2 part is a Windows plugin that I have working both in Windows and in Linux.
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/11/30 23:56:04 (permalink)
I have heard good convincing mixes done using the old drummer in Cakewalk. Others have used things I couldn't imagine would have yielded the kind of results they had. My point being that deep drum editing isn't always necessary
especially in basic rock/pop mixes. You can probably do what you need to do with what you have already. If you don't think so then ask yourself what you will need to reach that level.
I have all of the BFD line. Maibnly use BFD 3. They have always worked the best for me. I think the main idea is to know what you want to do and have that workflow streamlined and not get caught up in too many details.
In how many major label recordings do you listen for the type of bass drum, snare, cymbals? It is possible to have a killer drum mix that detracts from the total tune. It might sound wonderful stand alone. After you get it in the mix it doesn't sound right. For me, it's usually a bass drum that has punch. A snare that has the perfect amount of shimmer, the cymbals and rides sound like magic, mainly it's about the drummer and the groove. You get that right and the rest is secondary. JMO. Hard to go wrong with any of the new offerings, they will all get you there and probably much further than you want to go.

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/12/01 16:58:09 (permalink)
I do all my track from 0 too. I do not play any. I program all. Start with Step Sequencer. I dont know why, but that works most of the time. Then i gets the hits where i want them fast, and everything is in time. Easy to lay down a 16 beats on the kick. Then when finishing composing the drums, i put on the Humanizer Call file, maybe drag the snare a little behind to make it groove, and maybe adjust the hi hat and symbals the same way but in front. But there is no rules here. Just ears to hear, and if it sound bad, but you did put the snare behind, you did it to much or it isn't for the groove ot the song. Anyways. The Humanizer Call file is a life savior. I have other humanizer tools too, but that is my go to tool for this. And i do this in SD3. Some of the presets made bo famous people are really good. And i stopped spreading mics to channels in Sonar. Now i have just 1 channel (maybe snare track too). Every effect is in SD3. Maybe just snare reverb outside.

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/12/02 04:53:45 (permalink)
Wow!

Thanks gang!

I appreciate all the input. Sorry I haven't responded sooner, but I forgot... 🎸

I've been using AD2 except for my kick which I run separately in SessionDrummer 3. I'm not happy with any of the AD2 kicks I got. It bothers me that all their demos use processed kits instead of the raw samples... Do eithe BFD/SD allow us to hear raw kits before purchasing?

I don't typically do any processing within AD2 as I prefer the fx I have in CbB...

I play/program most of my drums, but sometimes I will use a 4-8 bar pattern as a starting point, so i don't need midi grooves within it too much, but they can be handy.

Most of AD2 is "ok", but I'm uncomfortable with how it handles it's cymbals and i find many of the widgets difficult to adjust.

I much prefer BFD3's gui than AD2. I seem to remember when I researched them years back I was strongly moved toward BFD over SD, but I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with some other things right now.

Thanks again!

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/12/02 08:13:08 (permalink)
Check out "Audio Demo" and "All Kicks and Snares".
https://www.toontrack.com/product/superior-drummer-3/
 
They are not dry because SD3 has many microphones in the room, and you can easily manage them in the intern mixer. You can also send them to a audio output for further manipulating in the DAW. But SD3 has "only" 16 audio outputs. You cannot put out every mic to a audio channel if you have only one SD up.
 
If you like to work in the SD3, it has another cool feature. You can import sound and blend to the kits of the SD3. Cool if you use it for live drums and so on.

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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/12/03 16:47:24 (permalink)
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I also have them pretty much any major drum VSTi. Long time BFD user and I love the expansion packs (especially the Platinum Samples ones. ) One important thing for me is that BFD hasn't been updated much recently. Since they were puchased by Roli, not much has been going on the BFD front. Forums are quiet there. Bums me out because I always loved BFD. 



 
There is a thread that started recently on KVR where Fxpansion is asking what you'd like to see in BFD, so it appears they are moving toward developing it more.
 
 
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Re: Any thoughts re: BFD3 vs Superior Drummer? 2018/12/03 19:18:51 (permalink)
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I also have them pretty much any major drum VSTi. Long time BFD user and I love the expansion packs (especially the Platinum Samples ones. ) One important thing for me is that BFD hasn't been updated much recently. Since they were puchased by Roli, not much has been going on the BFD front. Forums are quiet there. Bums me out because I always loved BFD. 



 
There is a thread that started recently on KVR where Fxpansion is asking what you'd like to see in BFD, so it appears they are moving toward developing it more.
 
 


Nice - just found it. Hopefully they get this rolling again.
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