Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive?

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2011/03/02 04:29:39 (permalink)

Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive?

I need a good hard drive for loading Kontakt and VSTi samples quickly.

People here have been recommending 7200rpm SATA3 64mb cache hard drives for that (in particular the Western Digital Blacks). SSDs are obviously the best, but are way too expensive.

But what about 10000rpm drives like the Western Digital Velociraptor? Has anyone done a comparison between that and the WD Black, to see if there is any significant difference in speed between the two, when loading samples?

I can get a WD 600gb Velociraptor or a WD Black 2tb for the same price, just wondering which I should go for... size matters (my samples library is very big) but I'm willing to sacrifice some space for speed if the Velociraptor is a lot faster!
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    craigb
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 04:54:35 (permalink)
    Hopefully someone with more current knowledge will chime in, but I remember trying one of the first 10,000 rpm drives and it sounded like a jet plane taking off - not what you want in a DAW.  Maybe the newer ones are quieter?

     
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 04:58:01 (permalink)
    Yes I had an old Raptor 74gb that was very loud.
     
    But the new Velociraptors make much less sound, because they are only 2.5" in size.
     
    You can hear the difference in noise between a WD Black and a Velociraptor, as well as compare noise statistics with many other hard drive models, all here on this website:
    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1079-page6.html
    The WD Black sounds significantly more noisy than the Velociraptor, on that webpage.
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 06:53:37 (permalink)
    The noise factor is not an issue with a SSD drive.  I'd go with the SATA6 1TB drive.  If the 2TB is SATA6, go for it.  If your motherboard doesn't support SATA6 bus speeds, go with the SATA3 2TB.  The 10k drives are great for server farms but not in a DAW. IMO
    Size and platter speed are factors but the thing I look for in a hard drive is Read/Write speeds and cache.

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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 12:41:35 (permalink)
    FWIW, The 10k RPM HDs have faster seek time... but that's not an issue for 99.9% of users.
     
    Using 1TB drives:
    • The WD HDs with 64MB cache sustain a little over 100MB/Sec
    • The Seagate HDs with 64MB cache sustain 120-125MB/Sec
    • Samsung HDs with 32MB cache sustain 125-130MB/Sec
     
    SATA-III HDs (WD and Seagate with 64MB cache) are nowhere near saturating the SATA-II bus.
    So... you'll achieve the exact same performance whether you connect them to a SATA-II or SATA-II controller.
    This assumes that your total disk load isn't saturating the SATA-II bus.  Highly unlikley for most users...

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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 17:04:10 (permalink)
    +1 Jim
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 18:10:53 (permalink)
    Why is sustained transfer speed important? I thought it's random seek time that's important, for loading samples?

    From my understanding of how Kontakt works, when you load up an instrument, it loads the very beginning portion of each sample file into memory. NOT the whole file. And each file is very small, it's not one big chunk like a video file. This is random seek behaviour. You can verify this, if it's a sustained read then a 100mb instrument loaded into RAM should only take 1 second, but in the case of Kontakt a 100mb instrument takes about 10 seconds to load - indicating random read behaviour.
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 19:34:21 (permalink)
    Why is sustained transfer speed important? I thought it's random seek time that's important, for loading samples?

     
    You've actually answered your own question...  
     
    Unless seek time is excessively slow... it's a non-factor.
    Precisely because the initial transients are buffered in RAM.
    To keep up with the polyphony load, it's the *sustained transfer* that's the absolute critical factor.
    The higher the sustained transfer... the more disk-streaming polyphony you can achieve.
    The higher the sustained transfer... the more simultaneous tracks you can record/playback.

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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 21:34:24 (permalink)
    See my post at the end of "Need advice on hard drive use" in the computer forum (this forum). I did a recap after all of the replies. I have a velociraptor drive (and an SSD). The drive is quiet, but louder than the quietest 7200 RPM drives. You can get it really quiet by mounting it in an o-ring suspension mount (sold on-line at quiet-PC sites). The new SSD drives with PCIe interface (OCZ Revo) are pretty fast in both read/write, but still expensive.
     
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 22:06:31 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim, can you explain what you consider to be seek time that is "excessively slow"?
     
    Would 5400rpm drives be OK still, I think their seek time is around 15ms on hard drive benchmarks. I like 5400rpm because they are cheap and quiet and cool.
     
    I haven't had any problems with polyphony yet, and I have my samples on WD Green 1tb 5400rpm drives at the moment. However, I would like to have faster samples loading times, so I can browse my large samples faster.
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/02 22:12:42 (permalink)
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    See my post at the end of "Need advice on hard drive use" in the computer forum (this forum). I did a recap after all of the replies. I have a velociraptor drive (and an SSD). The drive is quiet, but louder than the quietest 7200 RPM drives. You can get it really quiet by mounting it in an o-ring suspension mount (sold on-line at quiet-PC sites). The new SSD drives with PCIe interface (OCZ Revo) are pretty fast in both read/write, but still expensive.
     

    Yes I saw your post, but I notice that you didn't have any drive dedicated for samples. I guess you do mainly recording, and not much sampler work, I'm the other way around.
     
    You have decided to use the Velociraptor for your OS drive, but I wonder whether it will be good as a samples drive, good means much better than a normal 5400rpm drive.
     
    Also, regarding the Velociraptor noise, you can make it really quiet by removing the heat sink block, that's what silentpcreview did and the noise was significantly less. It will then be quieter than a WD Black 7200rpm.
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/03 08:06:40 (permalink)
    However, I would like to have faster samples loading times, so I can browse my large samples faster.

     
    If you're wanting the fastest sample loading time possible (currently), you want to use SSD.
    I wouldn't recommend using 5400RPM HDs (especially the "green" variety) as they're designed to conserve power... at the expense of performance.  For conventional HDs, the 1TB Samsung F3 is a great choice...
    2TB Seagate with 64MB cache is also very good
     
     

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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/04 04:19:56 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry



    For conventional HDs, the 1TB Samsung F3 is a great choice...
    2TB Seagate with 64MB cache is also very good
     
     
    I think I saw you recommending 1tb Western Digital Black 64mb cache about half a year ago on this very forum, just wondering why you no longer recommend them? Do they have any problems?
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    Re:Any use for Velociraptor (10000rpm) hard drive? 2011/03/04 07:51:16 (permalink)
    I think I saw you recommending 1tb Western Digital Black 64mb cache about half a year ago on this very forum, just wondering why you no longer recommend them? Do they have any problems?

     
    The WD Black series are fine HDs... they're just not as fast as the other two.

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