amdrecording
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 255
- Joined: 2008/06/12 23:39:40
- Status: offline
Any way to HIDE an envelope?
The reason I'd like to hide envelopes, is so that I can freely drag clips around without constantly adding millions of new nodes each time. So I guess I have two questions here:
1) Is it possible to Sonar NOT to add millions of new nodes when I decide to drag a clip around?
and...
2) Is it possible to hide pesky envelopes if they happen to be bothering me.
THANKS GUYS!
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
.
post edited by mister happy - 2017/06/28 23:59:49
|
FastBikerBoy
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 11326
- Joined: 2008/01/25 16:15:36
- Location: Watton, Norfolk, UK
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 12:52:59
(permalink)
I could be wrong but I don't think there is. The edit filter to which Mike refers is just that and edit filter so when you're clicking on clips etc. you don't accidentally select an envelope unless the filter is set to that envelope. I don't think you can actually hide the automation line/data though, unless you delete it of course, which isn't exactly helpful....... 
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
.
post edited by mister happy - 2017/06/28 23:59:59
|
Scott Lee
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1120
- Joined: 2003/11/13 23:13:38
- Location: Hollywood, California
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 12:55:43
(permalink)
In 8.53 you could right click ad hide them, but since the new filter system was inplamented with X1 the feature disappeared.
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
.
post edited by mister happy - 2017/06/29 00:00:10
|
Scott Lee
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1120
- Joined: 2003/11/13 23:13:38
- Location: Hollywood, California
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 13:06:46
(permalink)
|
amdrecording
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 255
- Joined: 2008/06/12 23:39:40
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 13:11:10
(permalink)
Seems like such a simple feature- to be able to HIDE envelopes from view. I'm really surprised that this option has been removed. Despite the convenience of the new envelope system, it's still nice to get rid of that visual clutter sometimes.
Is there a way to keep envelopes from moving along with clips that I drag around my session?
Bah.
-Alex
|
Scott Lee
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1120
- Joined: 2003/11/13 23:13:38
- Location: Hollywood, California
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 13:14:24
(permalink)
You could change the Color scheme to really "hide" unused envelopes out of view. that what I did, so they are barely noticeable until I shift click them.
Best,
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
.
post edited by mister happy - 2017/06/29 00:00:22
|
ba_midi
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14061
- Joined: 2003/11/05 16:58:18
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 13:46:14
(permalink)
amdrecording
The reason I'd like to hide envelopes, is so that I can freely drag clips around without constantly adding millions of new nodes each time. So I guess I have two questions here:
1) Is it possible to Sonar NOT to add millions of new nodes when I decide to drag a clip around?
and...
2) Is it possible to hide pesky envelopes if they happen to be bothering me.
THANKS GUYS!
I may be interpreting this differently than the other reply-ers.... If you mean you want to be able to copy a clip but NOT the automation data with it, yes, there is an option to "select automation with clip" somewhere (I'm not at my DAW right now or I'd find it for you). BUT you can also just use the copy function and paste special if you like- this will ask you WHAT you want to copy/paste. IF I'm misunderstood the question, sorry.
|
dwcaldwell
Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
- Total Posts : 234
- Joined: 2009/02/05 22:58:35
- Location: Texas
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 14:10:18
(permalink)
If you just want to hide envelopes from view, uncheck View->Display->Display Ghosted Data in the Track View menu.
If your edit filter is set to Clips, you should see no envelopes.
If your edit filter is set to anything else, you should see only what is specified.
Regards,
Don
|
ba_midi
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14061
- Joined: 2003/11/05 16:58:18
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 14:17:56
(permalink)
dwcaldwell
If you just want to hide envelopes from view, uncheck View->Display->Display Ghosted Data in the Track View menu.
If your edit filter is set to Clips, you should see no envelopes.
If your edit filter is set to anything else, you should see only what is specified.
Regards,
Don
Nice and succinct :) Ya know, you reminded me that I wanted to look up in the PDF ref guide what they mean by "ghosted data". I think you just answered that :)
|
John
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 30467
- Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 17:24:46
(permalink)
Data type ghosting
Although you can only edit one data type at a time, you can choose to always show clips and
automation envelopes simultaneously. All but the selected data type will be shaded, or “ghosted”.
This allows you to see all data types in context while editing a specific data type.
You can also hold down the SHIFT key and click any ghosted object to switch a track’s current Edit
Filter setting. This is a quick way to toggle between editing clips and automation envelopes.
From the manual page 399.
|
ba_midi
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14061
- Joined: 2003/11/05 16:58:18
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 17:34:20
(permalink)
|
ubband1
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 9
- Joined: 2008/06/16 13:52:24
- Location: Olympia Wa.
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2010/12/29 18:26:58
(permalink)
Yes with the Smart Tool just depends on which one you use and sellect the function the drag tool with CTRL key will lock clips when you drag them.
|
gt2004
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 313
- Joined: 2006/02/10 20:16:16
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 15:22:32
(permalink)
Dan you dam man with the hidding of Envelopes. This was getting in the way too much. since we have screen set i just hit 2 and edit all the escalopes and see everything at once and then go back to screen set 1. Dam this has been the best thing sonar ever created. just please fix the snap in TV and PRV
post edited by gt2004 - 2011/01/20 15:23:45
DUAL Processor XEON W5590  INTEL 160GB SSD G2 INTEL 80GB SSD G2
INTEL 80GB SSD G2 24GB ECC RAM EMU-0404 Xboard 49 KRK Rokit PR5, Mackie HR824 Sonar X1 64 Bit Windows 7 64Bit Pro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGhEm5oqdgE
|
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 15:54:09
(permalink)
Shift + Click on data in a track to bring it into focus. All other data will be in ghost mode; visible but not editable. So Shift + Clicking on clips means you can freely edit clips without screing up your automation.
|
PeterMc
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 504
- Joined: 2003/11/12 23:46:34
- Location: Tasmania
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 16:06:53
(permalink)
Just beware that even when automation is hidden, if you select a clip and move it, the automation goes with it. I can't find any way to prevent that except the laborious process of cutting and pasting with cutting of automation turned off in the pop-up dialog.
Cheers, Peter.
i5 6500, H170M, Intel HD 530, 16GB, Focusrite Scarlett 8i6, Win 10 Pro (1803) (64 bit), Cakewalk by Bandlab
|
rbowser
Max Output Level: -10 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6518
- Joined: 2005/07/31 14:32:34
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 16:26:51
(permalink)
PeterMc
Just beware that even when automation is hidden, if you select a clip and move it, the automation goes with it. I can't find any way to prevent that except the laborious process of cutting and pasting with cutting of automation turned off in the pop-up dialog.
Cheers, Peter.
I think you can still copy and paste clips, selecting just the data without the automation if you want. RB
Sonar X3e Studio Roland A-800 MIDI keyboard controller Alesis i|O2 interface Gigabyte Technology-AMD Phenom II @ 3 GHz 8 Gb RAM 6 Core Windows 7 Home Premium x64 with dual monitors
|
PeterMc
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 504
- Joined: 2003/11/12 23:46:34
- Location: Tasmania
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 16:49:08
(permalink)
Yes, you're right. Copy gives an option to ignore automation, same as cut. But dragging a clip always takes the automation with it, even if you can't see it!
Cheers, Peter.
i5 6500, H170M, Intel HD 530, 16GB, Focusrite Scarlett 8i6, Win 10 Pro (1803) (64 bit), Cakewalk by Bandlab
|
rbowser
Max Output Level: -10 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6518
- Joined: 2005/07/31 14:32:34
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 17:06:48
(permalink)
PeterMc
Yes, you're right. Copy gives an option to ignore automation, same as cut. But dragging a clip always takes the automation with it, even if you can't see it!
Cheers, Peter.
Right - so that's why I added the bit about how copying can leave out the automation. If I need to duplicate a clip, I prefer C&P to dragging anyway. Randy B.
Sonar X3e Studio Roland A-800 MIDI keyboard controller Alesis i|O2 interface Gigabyte Technology-AMD Phenom II @ 3 GHz 8 Gb RAM 6 Core Windows 7 Home Premium x64 with dual monitors
|
gt2004
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 313
- Joined: 2006/02/10 20:16:16
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 19:05:57
(permalink)
PeterMc
Just beware that even when automation is hidden, if you select a clip and move it, the automation goes with it.
Cheers, Peter.
ust beware that even when automation is hidden, if you select a clip and move it, the automation goes with it. Well i tried it and it dint move on mine. If you do it with ghost and copy and or drag and copy doesn't copy the automation. But if you ghost and see a faint automation then when you copy it copies the automation
DUAL Processor XEON W5590 INTEL 160GB SSD G2 INTEL 80GB SSD G2
INTEL 80GB SSD G2 24GB ECC RAM EMU-0404 Xboard 49 KRK Rokit PR5, Mackie HR824 Sonar X1 64 Bit Windows 7 64Bit Pro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGhEm5oqdgE
|
Crg
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7719
- Joined: 2007/11/15 07:59:17
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 19:18:36
(permalink)
amdrecording
The reason I'd like to hide envelopes, is so that I can freely drag clips around without constantly adding millions of new nodes each time. So I guess I have two questions here:
1) Is it possible to Sonar NOT to add millions of new nodes when I decide to drag a clip around?
and...
2) Is it possible to hide pesky envelopes if they happen to be bothering me.
THANKS GUYS!
Why do you want to hide it? You need to know it's there. Just change back to clips on the edit filter button and you won't influence the automation-envelopes. The envelope will still be visible as a line you have made but you won't be able to alter it until you change back to automation.
|
PeterMc
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 504
- Joined: 2003/11/12 23:46:34
- Location: Tasmania
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/01/20 20:06:20
(permalink)
gt2004
PeterMc
Just beware that even when automation is hidden, if you select a clip and move it, the automation goes with it.
Cheers, Peter.
ust beware that even when automation is hidden, if you select a clip and move it, the automation goes with it.
Well i tried it and it dint move on mine. If you do it with ghost and copy and or drag and copy doesn't copy the automation. But if you ghost and see a faint automation then when you copy it copies the automation
Hey you're right! What I was doing was selecting the clip while the automation was ghosted, then turning ghosting off, moving the clip, then turning ghosting on again, and the automation had moved. But if I select the clip AFTER turning ghosting off, it doesn't move. I've learned something here: ghosted automation gets selected, hidden automation doesn't. Works for delete too. I'll start another thread to highlight this. Cheers, Peter.
i5 6500, H170M, Intel HD 530, 16GB, Focusrite Scarlett 8i6, Win 10 Pro (1803) (64 bit), Cakewalk by Bandlab
|
amdrecording
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 255
- Joined: 2008/06/12 23:39:40
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/02/22 23:40:53
(permalink)
Why do you want to hide it? You need to know it's there. Just change back to clips on the edit filter button and you won't influence the automation-envelopes. The envelope will still be visible as a line you have made but you won't be able to alter it until you change back to automation. Sorry for the late reply- but wanted to address this- I want to hide envelopes when the visual clutter is just too much. Sometimes I'll have 6-7 envelopes on a single track, and with that much clutter, I can no longer accurately ****-click the envelope I want. Just too much noise! Thanks all for the great suggestions! -Alex
|
gt2004
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 313
- Joined: 2006/02/10 20:16:16
- Status: offline
Re:Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2011/02/23 04:06:17
(permalink)
Sorry for the late reply- but wanted to address this- I want to hide envelopes when the visual clutter is just too much. Sometimes I'll have 6-7 envelopes on a single track, and with that much clutter, I can no longer accurately ****-click the envelope I want. Just too much noise!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH this is where Sonar X1 is so NICE NICE and ill say it again NICE. make your screen set 1 show no envelopes and make screen set to show all the Envelopes. When you are ready hit 2 fix all your stuff all in one shot and see all the envelopes on all the tracks then hit 1 VIOLA you back to work in half a second. no clutter no mess
DUAL Processor XEON W5590 INTEL 160GB SSD G2 INTEL 80GB SSD G2
INTEL 80GB SSD G2 24GB ECC RAM EMU-0404 Xboard 49 KRK Rokit PR5, Mackie HR824 Sonar X1 64 Bit Windows 7 64Bit Pro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGhEm5oqdgE
|
Eddy Yates
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 55
- Joined: 2006/08/09 18:11:17
- Status: offline
Re: Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2015/09/30 16:04:05
(permalink)
Not sure if this is the same problem, but once I put automation on a track in Sonar Platinum, I can't even select the clip. I'm sure there's an easy way, but I can't find it in forums or in the manual.
Sonar Platinum, Windows 7, Intel Core i7 4.0 Ghz, 16G RAM, RME Hammerfall DSP , MOTU MTPAV, Frontier Tranzport, Mackie Control, midiman DigiPatch,UAD-2 Duo,Sony Soundforge, Receptor. Yamaha S6. Kurzweil PC3K8. Favorite plugins: Atmosphere, Stylus, Real Guitar, Malmsjo Grand Piano, PSP Warmer, UA, EastWest Composer Cloud.
|
Eddy Yates
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 55
- Joined: 2006/08/09 18:11:17
- Status: offline
Re: Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2015/09/30 16:10:45
(permalink)
OK....got it. Shift A on the active track to hide/show automation. Thanks, Scott Garrigus!
Sonar Platinum, Windows 7, Intel Core i7 4.0 Ghz, 16G RAM, RME Hammerfall DSP , MOTU MTPAV, Frontier Tranzport, Mackie Control, midiman DigiPatch,UAD-2 Duo,Sony Soundforge, Receptor. Yamaha S6. Kurzweil PC3K8. Favorite plugins: Atmosphere, Stylus, Real Guitar, Malmsjo Grand Piano, PSP Warmer, UA, EastWest Composer Cloud.
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re: Any way to HIDE an envelope?
2015/09/30 16:19:29
(permalink)
Eddy Yates
OK....got it. Shift A on the active track to hide/show automation. Thanks, Scott Garrigus!
You can also just use the Track Edit Filter on the track to switch it back to "Clips". I'm pretty sure that what you are describing is just the keybinding that does exactly that (not sure though). Kind of weird seeing this old thread from before the Edit Filter existed. That must have been a massive PITA arse. lol
|