ORIGINAL: AT

I have a shirt that sez:

"Guns don't kill people, people in Texas with daughters do."

Its a good one when boys come over that remind me of myself at their age.

;-)

I like that one.

I believe if guns are the root cause of murder, then pencils are the root cause of mispelling. (notice I misspelled that - and didn't use a computer).

It is odd, if you go back and read the second amendment to the Constitution, it does not try to protect hunting or even home defense. It is written so that people can protect themselves from an over-powerful government.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Militia -ordinary citizens - Free State - I think they are talking about keeping the freedoms granted by the constitution intact. So people are to be armed to prevent the government from usurping too much power and taking away freedoms.

I own a bunch of guns. I have been trained. I practice frequently. I have never shot anyone - yet. But if someone comes into my house after my family, they are in a heap of trouble.

I kind of liken that to an occupational hazard. If you are a lineman for the county, you have to worry about getting electrocuted. If you are a coal miner, you have to worry about black lung disease and mine collapses. If you are a home burglar or a rapist, you have to worry about me and my brethren. Occupational hazard. Don't like it? Get a different job.

I believe if guns are the root cause of murder, then pencils are the root cause of mispelling.

That's not entirely correct, of course. Guns don't have a 'normal' use. Tools and weapons are close cousins, so you can use a hammer as a weapon. The reverse is not automatically true, however. Guns are not tools, only machines of death.

Not true. I heard of many circumstances where a pistol was used to remove a doorlock without a key. ;)

That's stupid.



Shoot the hinges. Much smarter.

Though killing is the primary function, it's not the only function.

Now that's one I have call BS on. You can use it as a hammer, too. But that's not what it was made for. It was made to kill. No use trying to weasel out of that fact with me.

Nailguns don't use bullets btw, they use cartridges.

ORIGINAL: Roflcopter

I believe if guns are the root cause of murder, then pencils are the root cause of mispelling.

That's not entirely correct, of course. Guns don't have a 'normal' use. Tools and weapons are close cousins, so you can use a hammer as a weapon. The reverse is not automatically true, however. Guns are not tools, only machines of death.

I love you man, but that is wrong.

I do a ton of competitive shooting - long range rifle shooting, metal targets, skeet... there are lots of uses besides machines of death. But make no mistake, if someone messes with my family, these tools have other purposes

ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
if someone messes with my family, these tools have other purposes

If someone is threatening my family, ANYTHING can be a weapon.

Pillows have been used many times to murder people by suffocation. Should we have to have a background check before purchasing a pillow?

Your signature doesn't bother me a bit. Your intent is up for interpretation. I have a Bushmaster AR15 and a .38 revolver at home. 200 rounds of .223 ammo and a box of .38. The ammo and the key to the trigger locks are always kept in my safe. My wife has the combination and I don't so you see it's not something that is going to be used in haste. Me, I live in a hurricane area and sometimes when a disaster hits, you need a means of communicating that there are easier houses to loot than yours. Not to mention, I enjoy shooting the thing.

I don't think the moderators should ban your signature but it is their forum, not mine.

ORIGINAL: Roflcopter

If someone is threatening my family, ANYTHING can be a weapon.

I make wooden tonfas for friends (original Okinawa quality) - those started out as millstone handles, apparently - they were not allowed weapons on Okinawa after the Japanese invaded.

With those you can even keep an armed samurai at a very respectful distance.

But they aren't adequate in a gunfight. That's the problem.
Bad guys use guns. To defend yourself you need a gun.

But they aren't adequate in a gunfight. That's the problem.
Bad guys use guns. To defend yourself you need a gun.

Sometimes, and in some places you do, yes. Usually a war zone. I don't live in one, fortunately. But if I were, I'd be packing, too. License or not, war zones aren't high on Law anyway.

ORIGINAL: SteveJL

I don't have a particular problem with the sig, BUT can see how some might question the appropriateness of putting (flaunting?) it on a music-software forum begging the question "WTF is that here, of all places, and WTF is this person trying to say to us?....." It could seem, to some, as a tad confrontational at worst, provocative at best, gnome sayin'?

+1

The originator questioning it supports it being questionable. Whatever that means lol.

Guns are part of life where I live. Most don't even know I own mine since I quit hunting, but I do keep them with my wife's. And yes she is much more accurate with any of them. And we don't leave home without at least one. I know if I had to protect my family I would...just not sure I'd beat her to the task.

And at the risk of trying to be helpful, not funny.....If some of the gun owners here like to keep a supply of ammunition in the house...please notify your local fire department chief if you haven't already.

ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

"To defend yourself you need a gun."

I don't agree with this at all... how may bullets have they brought?

Huh?

What difference does that make?

But to answer your question for hypothetical purposes, let's just say they have an average capacity automatic 9mm pistol and a full magazine. So let's say 13 bullets?


To clarify my statement. I meant if your enemy has a gun and intends to kill you with it. It is nearly impossible to stop him from doing so if you don't also have a gun. Even if you do have a gun and are skilled at using it, it doesn't gaurantee survival, but without the gun it almost gaurantees failure (i.e. death.) Now your enemy may not have a gun, but they do often enough that it's a fairly safe assumption. If I have a gun and I only really needed a knife to defend myself properly, oh well. I'd rather be over-prepared, than under-prepared.

how may bullets have they brought?

It doesn't matter.


All it takes is one properly placed round to stop the attack. All the rest of his bullets are useless.

Just remember the lady in the church in Colorado with her CCW. He'd already killed several at another church....then headed south....The perp was found to have a bag full of bullets.... he was intending to do much more killing, but one round from her stopped it.

That's why you practice, and go to the range, and work scenereo's.

ORIGINAL: Guitarhacker

"Gun Free zones" like whole states with no legal means to carry, schools, government buildings, college campuses, and other such GFZ's are the most dangerous places for citizens to be, because the criminals know with a reasonable certainty that no one is going to be able to stop them from their criminal acts.

It's hard to imagine how anyone could argue with that logic, isn't it?

I guess that's the difference between the liberal and conservative mind. Some people are just wired differently.

not true... a gun is only a tool.... the person carrying it is the one who decides how it is used.

I don't want to repeat myself, but I (and most others) make a *logical* or *functional* distinction between the two, not so much a moral one.

Weapons started out as tools in most cases, but they have transcended that use, and that's a one-way street. Try using a war-hammer on a nail. It's no longer suitable for it, even though you *could* conceivably ram it home.

@tarsier

They're also good for sound effects.

Yes indeedy.

@OffAnAirplane

Do you mean a literal warzone, or a figurative one? Because I don't consider my old neighborhood a warzone, but I've heard gunshots at night before. And even seen a couple of kids with guns at school before.

I don't really know what you mean with 'figurative'. Maybe you mean 'relative'?

I don't think there's such a thing as a peaceful neighbourhood with regular shootings. That's more of a relative warzone. But hey, you can get used to that.

Doesn't make it 'normal' though. Maybe take a long vacation to a *real* peaceful place, and then decide for yourself when you get back.

That same principle can work for whole countries, BTW. Some have been at war for such a long time now, they think that's just the way of life.

I just happened to read some (pretty official documents, BTW) comparisons of Swedes and people in the US, I don't even recall what it was about, exactly, just some demographic. But it also listed at the top when both countries had last been at war. Sweden: last war 1814, or something like that. US - permanently. Dunno how correct that is, factually, but probably not too far from the truth.

And that is pretty depressing.

ORIGINAL: Roflcopter
I don't really know what you mean with 'figurative'. Maybe you mean 'relative'?

I don't think there's such a thing as a peaceful neighbourhood with regular shootings. That's more of a relative warzone. But hey, you can get used to that.

Doesn't make it 'normal' though. Maybe take a long vacation to a *real* peaceful place, and then decide for yourself when you get back.

That same principle can work for whole countries, BTW. Some have been at war for such a long time now, they think that's just the way of life.

Warzone (to me) is a military term, and a neighborhood in an small Texas town doesn't qualify. (Unless we are at war and Texas is the battlefront.) Yet you could easily be shot there.

Most of the people who lived in my neighborhood would never kill anyone. They were peaceful folks. But there were enough criminals out there to make it a considerably dangerous place to live. And by the way we did move, 15 years ago, for that reason. Sucks for those who couldn't afford to leave.