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Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
looking for a new mixer
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Keni
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/20 18:57:11
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I sometimes use either a 24x4x2 or a 16x4x2, but nit the AI... Only because it wasn't avaialable when the purchases were made...
They work great and sound great... Nice modern preamps... The logic of their' system is very logical and very little manual browsing has ever been needed...
the AI versions should be even better!
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/20 20:41:14
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I use Presonus Studio Live 16.0.2, but not ai. Excellent sound and construction.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/20 21:59:15
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I purchased both the Presonus 16-4-2 and a Behringer X32 Producer around the same time. FWIW, I have since sold the 16-4-2 and purchased a second X32 Rack. Twice the fx, matrix sends with built in crossovers and motorised faders were amongst the deciding factors. Bang for buck, the sound quality of both is great, far exceeding what I expected having used previous entry level digital consoles.
To be fair, my purpose was geared toward live performance rather than dedicated studio recording, If 96khz is your thing and it is exclusively for studio use, the onboard FX, advanced routing and motorised faders are of less concern as most mixing is done 'in the box'. For live production, the Behringer has a brilliant 3rd party Android remote control app which combined with routing/fx/crossovers/motorised faders make it hard to beat.
Both are certainly great mixers and work just fine with Sonar. With the new generation of digital gear it is pretty hard to go wrong.
Bruce. Sonar Platinum 2017-09, Studio One 3.5.3, Win 10 x64, Quad core i7, RME Fireface, Behringer X32 Producer, Behringer X32 Rack, Presonus Faderport, Lemure Software Controller (Android), Enttec DMXIS VST lighting controller, Xtempo POK.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/20 23:09:35
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☄ Helpfulby meh 2016/04/22 09:48:41
Using legacy 16.4.2, RM32AI, and X32 Rack successfully over FireWire with SONAR. I would expect that, barring FireWire issues, the 16.4.2AI should also work fine.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/22 07:01:33
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I purchased both the Presonus 16-4-2 and a Behringer X32 Producer
I just got the X32's little brother the X18. While I was hesitant because of Behringer's previous reputation, the Midas preamps sound great. I am still wrapping my head around he routing, but so far it's a hit with me. $699 for 18 analog inputs over USB 2 is what sold me. Firewire is what worried me, plus with presonus, the remote control is iPad ony while Behringer has apps for PC, Android as well as iPad. I have not done live sound with this yet as I am still on a major learning curve. This is my first digital mixer. A lot to learn.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/22 12:20:17
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We did our first X32 live Gig last weekend, it went very well! First time out with the new PA so it took about 90 min to get the sound dialed in for all of the monitors and mains, and then it rocked. The X32 preamps sound really nice to my ears.
I had SONAR recording in the background capturing the gig. Although, I haven't mixed it yet because I no know it'll be mostly useless, we were in a Harley dealership as entertainment so lots of audible competition. I don't think a song went from start to finish w/o someone revving up a bike 10 feet from the mics! ;-)
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/22 14:24:13
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We did our first X32 live Gig last weekend, it went very well! First time out with the new PA so it took about 90 min to get the sound dialed in for all of the monitors and mains, and then it rocked. The X32 preamps sound really nice to my ears.
I had SONAR recording in the background capturing the gig. Although, I haven't mixed it yet because I no know it'll be mostly useless, we were in a Harley dealership as entertainment so lots of audible competition. I don't think a song went from start to finish w/o someone revving up a bike 10 feet from the mics! ;-)
I hear you Eric - I have been using 2 x X32's for live gigs for the past 18 months. I was so hesitant given Behringer's previous less than stellar reputation for reliability, but the sound blows me away every gig, and the desks have performed flawlessly. Extraordinary, given the X32's price point. That said, I have never run it up against a Fat Boy:)
Bruce. Sonar Platinum 2017-09, Studio One 3.5.3, Win 10 x64, Quad core i7, RME Fireface, Behringer X32 Producer, Behringer X32 Rack, Presonus Faderport, Lemure Software Controller (Android), Enttec DMXIS VST lighting controller, Xtempo POK.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/22 15:34:37
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Blown away is the best way to describe it! The level of detail is amazing, the guys in the band did not want to go back to the 16.4.2 after we practiced for a month in the studio with the X32. They pushed me (gently) to button it up in a road rack ASAP for our next gig, so it was a real thrash.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/22 21:13:47
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Firewire is what worried me
For me it's USB that worries me because I've never had a USB based device that was reliable. I'm forever unplugging/re-plugging to get them kick-started after they go offline, this even after I've set the power options so they don't fall asleep, and then they also get enumerated differently for each port on your PC, etc. FW is full duplex and USB is half-duplex unless you are talking USB-3, so it can send audio in/out simultaneously. The first thing I did was upgrade the X32 I/O to the Firewire/USB option card because Firewire streaming has never let me down. It may have been an unnecessary step/expense, but it gives me piece of mind, so, whatever ...
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tenfoot
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/22 22:03:20
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patm300e
Firewire is what worried me
For me it's USB that worries me because I've never had a USB based device that was reliable. I'm forever unplugging/re-plugging to get them kick-started after they go offline, this even after I've set the power options so they don't fall asleep, and then they also get enumerated differently for each port on your PC, etc. FW is full duplex and USB is half-duplex unless you are talking USB-3, so it can send audio in/out simultaneously.
The first thing I did was upgrade the X32 I/O to the Firewire/USB option card because Firewire streaming has never let me down. It may have been an unnecessary step/expense, but it gives me piece of mind, so, whatever ...
I guess mileage varies - I have not had a single problem since changing from firewire Yamaha desks to Usb RME UFX and Usb X32 18 months ago. Firewire on the Yamaha's was very pedantic. I do not miss tracking down TI firewire chips at all:)
Bruce. Sonar Platinum 2017-09, Studio One 3.5.3, Win 10 x64, Quad core i7, RME Fireface, Behringer X32 Producer, Behringer X32 Rack, Presonus Faderport, Lemure Software Controller (Android), Enttec DMXIS VST lighting controller, Xtempo POK.
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/23 00:30:09
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How long is your cable? The FireWire cable I stuck in my band's cable snake 6 years ago is 25' long to give us flexibility for stage layout. I have to admit that pulling off the braided cable wrap and shrink tubing to stick in a 25' long USB cable that might flake out was another reason I stuck with FW.
It sounds like the X32 USB drivers must be solid, good to know!
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Re: Anybody using the PreSonus StudioLive 16.4.2AI mixer with Sonar?
2016/04/23 01:31:58
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How long is your cable? The FireWire cable I stuck in my band's cable snake 6 years ago is 25' long to give us flexibility for stage layout. I have to admit that pulling off the braided cable wrap and shrink tubing to stick in a 25' long USB cable that might flake out was another reason I stuck with FW.
It sounds like the X32 USB drivers must be solid, good to know!
Yeah good call - no way could you run a 25ft USB cable to the x32 without an active booster. 5m is about Max. My x32 stage rack is right next to my pc, so my cable is a meagre 2m. When I use the X32 Rack in the studio I run 4m without a problem. I have tried 6m but rerturned errors. The drivers are very solid. The Xusb driver is completely different to the Xuf USB driver though, as you probably know. I used an x32 Compact via usb with the uxf card for abot 2 weeks when I was given a demo X32 to use prior to purchasing mine and it worked fine, though my experience is mostly with the Xusb card. I believe the Xuf card is to be discontinued due to the chip no longer being manufactured, so you got in at the right time if you need FireWire. Usb, Madi and adat are all continuing. There are rumours of a usb3 card, but Behringer products tend to often be rumours for a very long time!
Bruce. Sonar Platinum 2017-09, Studio One 3.5.3, Win 10 x64, Quad core i7, RME Fireface, Behringer X32 Producer, Behringer X32 Rack, Presonus Faderport, Lemure Software Controller (Android), Enttec DMXIS VST lighting controller, Xtempo POK.
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