Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ?

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2010/01/04 07:28:54 (permalink)

Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ?

Anyone here using Daz Studio 3 and Bryce for Music Video Production ?

Just curious :-)

It's been a long time since I've used Bryce but cannot find the original discs, I lost them :-(   so now I'm thinking of purchasing the new version of Bryce.6.3 $99 and also getting Daz Studio (free version, available from Daz website)  (Bryce can be accessed directly inside of Daz Studio).

Will someone who has used these software(s) tell me what your opinions are about the stability, usefulness and quality because I'm thinking of using both Daz Studio and Bryce to render stills and animations for music video production.

There is another software similar to Bryce called: Vue, I have not used that and wonder if anyone has?  also if there are other 3D stills and animation software that would be ideal for music video production?.  I also own Photoshop along with Image-Ready and can easily create animations with those but I want to take my productions further using either Daz + Bryce, Vue or other software for the same price (budget: less than $100)

Thanks!


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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/04 08:18:57 (permalink)
    maybe 10 years ago?

    http://www.harmoniccycle...hc/media/bassplayer.mov

    Poser and Bryce are dead end streets... I still use Bryce for very specific things... but these are hobbiest programs fro people to enjoy learning about 3d.

    I enjoy making 3d landscapes for relaxation... Bryce is excellent for that... for the money.

    Here's some Bryce in action:

    www.harmoniccycle.com

    Both programs are far more suited to making single frame images than video... if you get to the point where you can push the image sequence / video limits of either program you will be confronted with the fact that you should have selected and invested your time in a more useful program.

    The best stuff you see made in Bryce or Poser has been heavily touched up in Photoshop using painting techniques to cover up 3d render problems. That's a great workflow for single frames but almost impossible to do with image sequencing.

    It just takes too much personal investment in time to end up in a cul de sac where you find the programs are best used for making the soft porn fantasy graphic novels which DAZ users seem most nterested in... which BTW is NOT my thing. :-)

    I ended up with an expensive license to 3D Studio Max.

    best regards,
    mike



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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/04 08:20:17 (permalink)
    BTW, VUE Sucks!!!

    I bought a full license and literally threw it away.


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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/04 09:12:06 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike,

    I was not sure about Vue, never tried it myself, but Bryce I know and it's pretty darn good!  Poser seems to have similar capabilities as Daz, but one is free the other (Poser) is roughly $600.

    Sadly 3D Studio Max @ $3,000+ is over my budget, even the tutorials can be expensive.  I know a friend who owns a licence for it and said it's good software, his wife is a professional editor and works at the ABC-TV.


    Mike-McCue:
    you find the programs are best used for making the soft porn fantasy graphic novels which DAZ users seem most nterested in... which BTW is NOT my thing
    . :-)

    LOL!! I had no idea that some Daz users do dat!

     
     
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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/05 22:19:57 (permalink)
    Here's a little something I did in Vue a while back-

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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/06 03:51:32 (permalink)
    Hi Bill

    That looks cool! (viewed @ 1024px × 405px).  Well done :-)

    I went back to do a little more read up on Vue, then I notice it's got quite an impressive credit from respected CG artists who have worked on various productions such as; Matrix Reloaded, Australia, Indiana Jones 4 and Terminator Salvation.

    Vue 2009 Presentation: Click Here (switch to HD format - YouTube)

    Looking at Vue 8 GUI, it's nicely laid out but I can only guess there be a deep learning curve to this program, training DVD's start at $19 (per-part)

    Vue 8 Infinite costs: $895 and is capable of the above examples, but I notice E-on Software has other versions available starting at $49, looking at those I can there's quite a lot of excellent textures and objects to work with. Not bad at all :-)

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    post edited by SongCraft - 2010/01/06 04:08:09

     
     
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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/06 09:36:48 (permalink)
    Here's an video example of a "landscape" I made to match a budget a few years ago... 200 man hours, 50 hours rendering at 30p 1920x1080, everything made from scratch in 3dMax and compositied in After Effects:

    http://www.harmoniccycle.com/hc/images/seidler/fire/fire-ani-2008-400x225.html

    Here's a privately distributed tutorial for digital elevation modeling I authored for in house use:

    http://www.harmoniccycle..../LEV_road_tutorial.htm

    Here are some real time landscapes I have made for 3d games:

    video of dirt road racetrack:

    http://www.harmoniccycle....at/AbuggyRACE_01a.html

    this is a photo of a forest themed 3d motorcycle racetrack that one could ride thru at 60fps:




    Here's the sort of lite art I make for relaxation:


    rendered in Bryce with buildings made in 3d Max on terrain made in Photoshop.


    The mountains out side are made in Bryce everything else is from scratch in 3D max


    I also like making trees... which for close up use I feel must be made leaf by leaf in something like 3dMax rather than with a tree modeling package:





    If you want to make animated video you'll probably end up using a video layer compositor like After Effects to merge layers... its the way to manage render times most effectively.

    Once you start thinking in terms of video compositing you'll see that you will want to have a familiarity with dozens of programs. Each will have a specific beneficial use.

    For example; Bryce may have primitive animation capabilities but it has fantastic 3d fractal DEM processing... so I often launch Bryce just to run a fractal process on a DEM. Leveller is a sepacialty DEM modeler... but's it's fractal processing is clunky.

    None of the procedural textures seen to work for foreground use... so you'll often end up using Photoshop or Painter to fashion foreground textures.

    Tree building software exists... I originally bought VUE becuase they introduced trees at the consumer price point before any one else. ( but I threw VUE away ;-))  I now have several dedicated tree modeling packages... because each works best on certain shaped tree.

    Beware of any program that suggests it has a turn key solution.

    If you want to get into it for cheap... get the legal Bryce v5 license that is floating around the net for free. Also be sure to try out Terragen... it is fantastic but often overlooked because it doesn't pretend to be turn key. It HAS been used on big projects. ;-)

    My best recommendation for full features on a budget is Blender... it is truly professional and it gets right to the nut of it all... you are gonna have to use a lot of other programs in coordination with Blender if you want to get finish quality results... so Blender doesn't have a lot of built in distractions with tools that aren't going to take you all the way. It does what it does best and then you bring in your assets from every where... the very same way as if you would if you ran 3dMax, Maya, etc.

    all the best,
    mike

    post edited by mike_mccue - 2010/01/06 10:11:03


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    SongCraft
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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/06 09:57:39 (permalink)
    Wow! That's excellent Mike, and thanks :-)

     
     
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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/06 10:13:48 (permalink)
    I hope it helps.

    BTW in the previous post I posted a "work in progress" link by mistake (and fixed it)

    The real results of the 200 hours are here:

    http://www.harmoniccycle....-ani-2008-400x225.html

    It also occurs to me that I neglected to compliment Bill on his image. That's a very nice image Bill.

    :-)

    all the best,
    mike


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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/06 20:30:58 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike, those are some great images you have there!

    I'm more of a Maya/Vue type of person ;)

    Bill

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    Re:Anyone Here Using Daz Studio and Bryce for Music Video Production ? 2010/01/06 23:59:23 (permalink)
    Mike,

    Looked at your creations again, 'Excellent', well done :-)

    I checked out Blender, it's deep, lots of reading up and tutorials for me to do.  At the moment I'm getting ready to setup another PC.

    Yes! Terragen looks superb! I've decided on that and put Bryce in the Blender, or should I say get Terragen, Bryce and Blender ;-)

    You've been a great help! Again, thanks for the info' :-)

     
     
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