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2011/07/13 20:33:20 (permalink)

Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View?

I've recently been setting up multiple sends for individual headphone mixes.  Basically, I use X1 like a headphone hub for rehearsals.  Works pretty good.

Only problem is having to mouse click those teeny little arrows to scroll through the sends in order to make adjustments.  Seems like some sort of manager for the Console view is in order.  Somewhat, like the widget manager in the Track View.  You would select a view that would give you all sends visible with the volume control visible as well. 

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 20:35:34 (permalink)
    I would

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 21:06:35 (permalink)
    Im 8.5, I could get 4 sends in the console view.

    This is like 1 step forward and 10 steps behind!!!!

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 21:40:17 (permalink)
    Fix it with ScreenSets...

    the solution to a problem that had to be created.


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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 21:53:46 (permalink)
    Hey now...wait a minute.  Wait till this thing is out of beta before you judge.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 22:00:54 (permalink)
    OK.. I want to see more than 2 as well.  Mike, how will a screen set help?

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 22:23:34 (permalink)
    Er...he's "joking"...sort of.  Although to many screensets are layouts bastard stepchildren.  To others they are a veritable godsend.  Go figure.
     
     
     
     
     
    Excuse me for this tangentialization:  This is a perfect example of what many Sonar users...not just myself...feel about good ol X1...that there are many new features of it which are solutions to problems that didn't exist.  They might have looked good on paper...even in early testing...but they seemed to "take away" more than they "gave".  I think this is the real problem that the bakers are dealing with.  Not bugs, per se, although there are many of those but the feeling by many legacy users that all the features and customization options they once had are (nearly) gone now and that their frustrations are not currently (and possibly not in the future either) being addressed.  Of course X1C may go a long way to assuage these fears.  Or excacerbate them.  We'll see. 
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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 23:20:41 (permalink)
    It's painful to watch something we've come to love so much have this happen to it isn't it? It's like an old friend had a stroke and ain't the same guy you used to know.



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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 23:21:50 (permalink)
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    Im 8.5
    I thought you said it shrunk?


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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/13 23:58:00 (permalink)
    Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View?

    What's this "Console View" of which you speak, Dave?

    Now, if you want to talk about that skinny FX bin in the track view that only displays half the plugin names, then I'm wit' ya!


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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 02:27:34 (permalink)
    A big +1 to this! Like Mod bod i use the sends for headphones mixes for my bands rehearsals seeing all 4 in 8.5 works perfect, without this i haven't tried X1 yet for rehearsals Please Please bring back viewing at least 4!
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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 05:23:54 (permalink)
    This thread sums up how disappointed people were about the new console view after X1 was released. For me, the thread can be summed up in the following quote:

    "The fact that a supposedly GUI-centric release [X1] has such a huge oversight in the GUI makes me wonder..."
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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 05:41:08 (permalink)
    Hmm. That quote - indeed the whole thread - was referring to some specific shortcomings of the narrow strips view. Most of which got fixed quite some while back, didn't they?

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 05:58:45 (permalink)
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    Hmm. That quote - indeed the whole thread - was referring to some specific shortcomings of the narrow strips view. Most of which got fixed quite some while back, didn't they?


    So are you saying being able to see more than 2 sends is now possible?

    That's what I read to be the topic of todays thread.

    In answer to the original question I'd like to be able to see more than 2 sends in the console view, how about you?

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 06:06:57 (permalink)
    That quote isn't from this thread.

    More than two sends, sure, it would be handy. It's not an immensely big deal to me personally, but it's a fairly obvious improvement to make. It should probably allow however many you like and let you re-size the sends area yourself, something like that.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 06:14:00 (permalink)
    Still only a maximum of 2 visible at any time.

    You should be able to close down other aspects of the Console view's channel strip and see more of whatever you choose. eg sends

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 06:24:01 (permalink)
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    That quote isn't from this thread.

    More than two sends, sure, it would be handy. It's not an immensely big deal to me personally, but it's a fairly obvious improvement to make. It should probably allow however many you like and let you re-size the sends area yourself, something like that.


    I understood where the quote came from and what you have just said clearly makes the quote valid here.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 06:28:56 (permalink)
    Instead of using the send. You could also create a bus with the effect that you want. Then assign the track to that bus. I am not sure if this will work for you but it could be your temporary fix. 
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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 06:38:35 (permalink)
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    That quote isn't from this thread.

    More than two sends, sure, it would be handy. It's not an immensely big deal to me personally, but it's a fairly obvious improvement to make. It should probably allow however many you like and let you re-size the sends area yourself, something like that.


    I understood where the quote came from and what you have just said clearly makes the quote valid here.


    I dunno. This is a thread about the amount of sends visible. That's a thread about the dodgy formatting in the narrow strips view at the time of release. I don't really see a connection.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 06:41:29 (permalink)
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    Instead of using the send. You could also create a bus with the effect that you want. Then assign the track to that bus. I am not sure if this will work for you but it could be your temporary fix. 

    I believe that's exactly what we're talking about.  You have to set up a SEND to SEND that signal to a bus.  If you've got more than TWO SENDS, you can't see them at a glance.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 07:09:11 (permalink)
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    That quote isn't from this thread.

    More than two sends, sure, it would be handy. It's not an immensely big deal to me personally, but it's a fairly obvious improvement to make. It should probably allow however many you like and let you re-size the sends area yourself, something like that.


    Can I use this quote in this thread?

    Sure I can.

    Hey, will it be really considered an improvement if X.whatever finally gets back to the power and flexibility of v8.5?

    Will it be considered an improvement if the 4 sends that used to be visible are once again made visible?

    Or, will the restoration of missing features merely be a "back to the future" experience?

    How can wasting a year, or two years, or three years, waiting to get features that were taken away put back where they were, seem like an improvement?









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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 07:46:01 (permalink)
    I very much doubt that the plans for future development are as simple as "restoration of missing features". Clearly, it's heading off in a new direction. I would bet heavily that "improvements to the X1 paradigm" is what's coming, and not "returns to the S8 paradigm".

    I wouldn't waste my own time waiting for things I considered really important, I think that's a bit of a mad thing to do. I'd go and find tools that could do the things I needed to do.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 07:56:07 (permalink)

    I doubt very much that Cakewalk does not realize that it is running off a substantial number of it's existing upgrade cycle customers.

    I expect the return of the missing features will take place.

    The nature of the work demands and defines the form.

    The 4 sends were put there for a reason. It was a good reason back then. It is still a good reason.








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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 08:03:03 (permalink)
    In my case, I want to see even more than four sends but I could live with four.  I've got two main headphone mix requirements.  One goes to the phones in my control room and the other to the phones in my Iso booth.  Both those carry the burden of supplying an "overall" balanced mix of all active audio present.  To these, I need the ability to provide sends for a "more me" mix.  SONAR X1 allows me to do this but it doesn't allow me to see enough sends to prevent me from having to scroll through a vertical display of 2 sends until I find the one I need.  Even the ability to shuffle or hide certain sends would help but I see that as a possible source of even more confusion when I'm trying to make changes quickly.

    Since I work with mainly one or two artists at a time, what is present works most of the time.  However, an improvement to the current Console View would solve a problem that has recently popped up.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 08:09:08 (permalink)
    This is sort of related:

    To the graphic designer;

    If you are going to create scroll widgets, can you at least make them big enough to target quickly?  It's hard enough to see them when your monitor is back 30" much less click them with mouse.  You're more or less required to be "sharp shooter or Expert" class mouse button marksmen to hit them.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 08:19:38 (permalink)
    Yeah, that's a bigger annoyance to me. I don't mind scrolling through the sends particularly, but the buttons for it are not friendly.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 08:51:02 (permalink)
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    This is sort of related:

    To the graphic designer;

    If you are going to create scroll widgets, can you at least make them big enough to target quickly?  It's hard enough to see them when your monitor is back 30" much less click them with mouse.  You're more or less required to be "sharp shooter or Expert" class mouse button marksmen to hit them.

    +1 to this...


    Plus allow for 4 sends vs the 2 now available....

    The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 08:59:28 (permalink)
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    Hmm. That quote - indeed the whole thread - was referring to some specific shortcomings of the narrow strips view. Most of which got fixed quite some while back, didn't they?


    "Fixed"? Yeah, that would've been great!

    I was the starter of that thread and one of the reasons why I'm still on 8.5.3 (and started to look for other DAWs) is that those fixes to the narrow strips were also just half-baked - just like the original narrow view was in the first place. Seeing only two sends is just one out of many shortcomings of X1's GUI.

    I still have hope for X1c though...
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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 09:01:21 (permalink)
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    I dunno. This is a thread about the amount of sends visible. That's a thread about the dodgy formatting in the narrow strips view at the time of release. I don't really see a connection.

    This is the quote that was singled out from that thread...


    "The fact that a supposedly GUI-centric release [X1] has such a huge oversight in the GUI makes me wonder..."


    Is it true you really can't see a connection or are you just feigning silliness?


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    Re:Anyone besides me want to see more sends than 2 in the Console View? 2011/07/14 09:08:52 (permalink)
    Not feigning silliness at all. I think it's just forum meta-griping. Nothing can be criticised and discussed on its own individual strengths and weaknesses, everything has to be rolled up into some all encompassing sighing-and-moaning fest.

    Narrow strip issues and number of sends visible are two separate things. You can only link them if you're going allow these kinds of "and that was another item on the list of clues that they didn't love me any more" as links.

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