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Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
Every time I use it I become frustrated. It scans everything for an update status, it looks to see what you've installed and then you get a menu. If you select anything for an update, it repeats the scan it just did, but only for the product you update. Once that's complete it does the entire scan again including everything you have. If you hide a feature it scans the update status of everything AGAIN. I don't want the free loops. They're in a sub-directory and you can't hide the entire sub-directory, you have to hide each file. After you hide each file it does the entire system scan AGAIN. It is the most inefficient design I've ever had to use. Bakers, could you give some love to that program and make it a bit smarter to remove the redundant scans? A little love for the Sonar Reference Guide would be nice too. It lists some old features as new features, in fact there's like 300+ pages of new features. Self help begins with a good reference manual.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 16:41:52
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What I notice is this is depending on your internet connection. At home it is painfully slow and CCC takes a good 15 minutes at first and then 5 or more minutes between each item I install. Very frustrating. So I just don't use it at home. I take my Laptop to work and update everything then copy the CCC download folder to my main DAW and then run CC. It's speeds things up but it's still slow. I am just now using it at work where they have a good hi speed connection and the wait times are very short,,, huge differance. But it would be nice to have more control over what the scan does and why it needs to re scan the same things each time is stupid. What would be nice is a way to only scan for what your wanting that day. Example Home Studio- options- check for updates uninstal roll back to
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 16:51:42
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☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2017/10/29 10:12:40
I don't use it. I download the installers I want from "My Products" on the Cakewalk site. I keep backup copies of the installers in case i need to roll back. It's what I've always done. Maybe CC makes things easier for some, but for me, I didn't have any need for CC.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 16:51:47
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Depending from the current light conditions, I still have to click on each item individually to see it is updatable or not (colors have similar lumi). With scanning, I can wail... that is called "modern programming" (make it 100 times slower and 10 times bigger, people believe the thing is actual and serious, make something under 1MB and running with the speed of light and everyone complain that is from 20th century and just a toy )
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 17:01:16
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The CCC is slow and "clunky" but the current version is an improvement over the older version. With the older version it did a complete scan (of the Cakewalk products) every time - both when initially opened and after any app update. Now, it does the complete scan initially but does not after any app update as it now "remembers" what has been scanned. I don't see any way to improve on how it works (now). It needs to scan what is installed and also to check what needs updating against the on-line database. That is the bottleneck but no way that I see to get around that.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 17:13:12
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NO! I LOVE it! it's way better then say IK's activation nightmare. That's way I stopped buying IK and went to Waves! it's great! SO, why is this thread! ? lol just kidding... maybe it can be improved but I don't see it... that's my problem :P)
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 17:13:45
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Sounds like I might not have the most current version. I thought it would auto-update if/when needed.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 17:18:25
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I also hate how the CC takes so long to scan everything. Surely there must be a faster way of doing this - I'm no programmer, but I should imagine that the version state of all of my Cakewalk products could be stored in just a few bytes of information, and that this info could be uploaded and checked against the current version statuses of the products in a fraction of a second. Instead it seems to go through each and every product in turn, putting on its glasses, lighting its pipe and saying "Let's see now..." and it takes forever. I might be wrong but I'm sure there was a time a year or so ago when the CC used to scan my products a LOT faster.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 17:22:41
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ampfixer Sounds like I might not have the most current version. I thought it would auto-update if/when needed.
Hum? I see... you need to manually check for updates. just go change when it checks for updates :) I always need to do that... I have mine set to what? 999 days before it will check for updates? if that helps. peace!
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 17:44:41
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Considering it takes me over an hour to download and install it, and then still have to install the actual music software; and that I can download and install Reaper in two minutes, I would have to say yes, I do find Command Center tedious.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 18:10:32
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Tedious...compared to what? Having your teeth cleaned? Yeh, it's slow, but no worse than Native Access or the Toontrack Product Manager, and superior to updaters from 8Dio and Spitfire. I wouldn't want to use it daily, but I can live with it once a month.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 18:16:27
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/10/28 00:56:48
michael diemer Considering it takes me over an hour to download and install it, and then still have to install the actual music software; and that I can download and install Reaper in two minutes, I would have to say yes, I do find Command Center tedious.
That sounds like an internet connection problem, not a command center problem. Downloading new Sonar updates takes about 20 minutes here and im on a slow connection (700kbps). Installation takes less than 2 minutes and its done automatically through Command Center. FYI- Reaper is like 30MB. Sonar is almost 20X times that size (almost 500MB). So kind of an redundant example. My gripe is opening command center and waiting 4 minutes for it to load my products. the same products I've used for the last 3 years (except the newest sonar updates)
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 18:23:16
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fireberd I don't see any way to improve on how it works (now).
I don't know the internal architecture of the program or of its communication with the mother ship. However, in apps like this, typically the entire portfolio of products could be sent to home base as a single XML package, and the results returned in the same way. That could conceivably make the refresh process only a few seconds because it would basically be a single network message each direction.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 18:53:18
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I never had this issue with CCC, works very fast for me. But my internet speed is about 120MBS.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 19:06:16
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I never use it. Much faster to download updates from your account and install manually. You can roll back if need be the same way. There is no difference at all as they are exactly the same install packages. It was great thinking by Cakewalk to leave this option avaialable.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 19:12:42
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I'm OK with it, no major problems here. Pretty speedy Internet service so that helps.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 19:48:48
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michael diemer Considering it takes me over an hour to download and install it, and then still have to install the actual music software; and that I can download and install Reaper in two minutes, I would have to say yes, I do find Command Center tedious.
Your experience may vary, but i downloaded CC and loaded SPLAT on my new laptop in under 20 minutes including moving over old projects from desktop. PS I know because my wife kept telling me to finish what I was doing..we were on our way out to a dinner party.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 20:39:39
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michael diemer Considering it takes me over an hour to download and install it, and then still have to install the actual music software; and that I can download and install Reaper in two minutes, I would have to say yes, I do find Command Center tedious.
That sounds like an internet connection problem, not a command center problem. Downloading new Sonar updates takes about 20 minutes here and im on a slow connection (700kbps). Installation takes less than 2 minutes and its done automatically through Command Center. FYI- Reaper is like 30MB. Sonar is almost 20X times that size (almost 500MB). So kind of an redundant example. My gripe is opening command center and waiting 4 minutes for it to load my products. the same products I've used for the last 3 years (except the newest sonar updates)
700? You call that slow? Mine is about 465. Yeah, maybe that's the problem... Valid point about Reaper, it is small. Still, it's really gratifying to "update" so quickly. I did it last night, took me, well, two minutes. But then Reaper is unique in a lot of ways.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 20:41:19
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tenfoot I never use it. Much faster to download updates from your account and install manually. You can roll back if need be the same way. There is no difference at all as they are exactly the same install packages. It was great thinking by Cakewalk to leave this option avaialable.
I wasn't aware of this. I'll certainly keep it in mind for future downloads.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 20:50:25
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michael diemer Considering it takes me over an hour to download and install it, and then still have to install the actual music software; and that I can download and install Reaper in two minutes, I would have to say yes, I do find Command Center tedious.
That sounds like an internet connection problem, not a command center problem. Downloading new Sonar updates takes about 20 minutes here and im on a slow connection (700kbps). Installation takes less than 2 minutes and its done automatically through Command Center. FYI- Reaper is like 30MB. Sonar is almost 20X times that size (almost 500MB). So kind of an redundant example. My gripe is opening command center and waiting 4 minutes for it to load my products. the same products I've used for the last 3 years (except the newest sonar updates)
700? You call that slow? Mine is about 465. Yeah, maybe that's the problem... Valid point about Reaper, it is small. Still, it's really gratifying to "update" so quickly. I did it last night, took me, well, two minutes. But then Reaper is unique in a lot of ways.
Reaper is a great DAW. Just cant compare it to sonar. They are 2 different animals.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 20:56:16
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I get all my updates in 5 mins or so...rural internet connection in Kentucky.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 21:48:53
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☄ Helpfulby paulo 2017/10/28 18:39:51
The time I spend waiting on product scans during the update is longer than I have to wait to perform the D/L.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 21:50:12
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stickman393 I don't use it. I download the installers I want from "My Products" on the Cakewalk site. I keep backup copies of the installers in case i need to roll back. It's what I've always done.
Me too. I avoid using it wherever possible. Normally I download the installers on another computer. Then I transfer the files via a flashdrive to the DAW computer, which is offline, and then install. In theory this should take longer than the more direct method of using Command Centre. But, surprisingly, it's slightly quicker.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 21:52:11
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The program doesn't "assume" that all the products are the same as the last scan. It may very well be (and probably is for most) but if it "assumed" you know what that means. By doing the Scan when it starts, it has the full list of what is installed and what version. It can then check that against the database. How it does that maybe could be improved. The local scan time is dependent on the PC's speed, SSD or hard drive access speed, etc. Since part of it is on line, the internet speed to the ISP, the ISP to the "cloud", traffic on the cloud and on the link to the Cakewalk server and how busy the Cakewalk server is at that time will affect how long it takes. Many variables just to check and time to do this can vary - and be different each time. Keep in mind your ISP link speed, is just that - the speed between your ISP and your modem. What happens between the ISP and the "cloud" can be a bottleneck depending on their link(s) to the web, and the data link(s) that Cakewalk (their site host) have and as noted will vary with how busy the web is. I'm a retired LAN/WAN Network Manager. Network data loads, line loads etc were constantly monitored and action taken if needed on overloaded lines.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 22:27:50
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Yes it's 100% the internet speed for all parts as far as I can tell. As I just updated my laptop this moring and also added a bunch of stuff I had not bothered with at first. The task it takes a couple of hours at home took me about 30 minutes here with good internet. My home internet is Satilite, works fine for most things but not these huge updates we now have with Sonar and W10. I don't thing the hardware would make much differance as my main DAW is 2x the horsepower off this laptop and the laptop still has a ?? RPM drive my main DAW a SSD. It's the internet. My biggest problem over most of you is I have Home Studio, Professsional and Platinium each come with a lot of the same add ons which CC scans 3 x my list of products is SPLAT- 19 Pro-14 Home Studio- 6 Random stuff -13
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/27 23:18:03
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Dave I love it " Tedious...compared to what? Having your teeth cleaned? " When the CCC first came out , the very thought of it Rocked my boat and had me upset . Thankfully my opinion has changed . Overall I'm pretty satisfied with how well it has performed and I would not want to go back to pre CCC Kenny
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/28 00:00:42
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sharke I also hate how the CC takes so long to scan everything. Surely there must be a faster way of doing this - I'm no programmer, but I should imagine that the version state of all of my Cakewalk products could be stored in just a few bytes of information, and that this info could be uploaded and checked against the current version statuses of the products in a fraction of a second. I'm no programmer either, but I've always thought this should work since it does for Toontrack's Product Manager (which just seconds to notify me whether the multiple products I own have updates). As an aside, why do monthly updates always seem to also update a bunch of midi loops/files? That seems superfluous...
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/28 00:29:24
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I download the installers, much better method for me than Command Center. The program itself is a waste of a download, IMO.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/28 00:55:37
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Brian Walton The program itself is a waste of a download, IMO.
Seems to me the point of this thread is that if it didn't take an excessively long time to search for updates, then the command center would be very useful, and more convenient than managing things manually.
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Re: Anyone else find the Command Centre tedious?
2017/10/28 00:58:33
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I'm now trying to update my Main DAW at home on the slower connection,,, It's like out to lunch slow. ANd because its so slow I'm watching the text scroll,, I saw Melodyne 5 times, I saw the Big fish 3 times I saw Sonar Professional 3 times??? this is after I waited 15 minutes , updated Sonar Splat which did so instantly because I had the files already in the download folder, I made the mistake of asking it to hide something now its been 5 minutes re scanning and re scanning the same things over and over,, I certainly did not have any experience like this at work on my laptop. I was done in 30 minutes including downloads,,, here all the downlaods are done and stored. Installs are super quick. . And where is any option to update CCC, there's nothing under the gear icon? Mine is obviously way out of date. OK it finally returned to the main screen and I see there is no way to hide Big Fish globally ( totally not interested) but you can try and hide each child folder. But that's buggy as all hell, It goes round and round and then you get a weird screen asking to download,, it's not the regular screen at all. Then I'm back to the wheel going round and round for 15 minutes. It's the weekend so I won't be able to test this out on the laptop until next week.. but this really sucks on this computer. Oh great,,, as I was typing CCC crashed! I think I'll go have a drink!
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