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2017/05/08 17:00:45 (permalink)

Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing?

I'm talking about VMR, VCC, VBC, VPC, FG-X, Custom series, etc....  I was browsing through these looking for a Waves SSL alternative, and it struck me just how arbitrary the module components seem to be.
 
First, let me start by saying that I'm actually pretty impressed by the Slate Digital line and have heard great things about the analogue "warmth and grit" they can add to a mix....
 
What I don't understand is why Slate didn't just call it VMR (Virtual Mix Rack) and offer all the rest as rack modules.  Once you get past the marketing, isn't that how they actually function?  Or am I missing some obvious reason why they have to be promoted separately?
 
I suspect they're marketed this way to make sure we get how "special" each package is -- how much work went into the R&D of each one.  But to a prospective buyer like me, it's all rather confusing, and makes me appreciate Waves' approach to the SSL 4000 that much more.
 
Or, I could just throw my hands in the air and accept that if I want to cover all the bases from Slate, I'll need to go for the Everything Bundle.  $200 a year for all the Slate FX seems reasonable -- and is still cheaper than buying the Waves SSL.
 
I guess I just answered my own question.  Well played, Steven Slate.  Well played.

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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 17:12:41 (permalink)
Slates products went through (and may still go through) an evolution.
 
Before VMR (and all of it's modules) there was VBC, VCC, VTM and FG-X. Many of us FG-X owners are *still* waiting on FG-X V2 .
 
So yeah, some VMR components and some stand alone VSTs can be confusing. But for those of us who grew up with the stuff as it evolved, it all makes "sense".
 
 
 
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 17:40:13 (permalink)
Some of the older ones, like VCC, can be used in the VMR rack, but some probably never will, mostly for reason of latency (VTM, I'm looking at you). Then again, some of the new ones also remain out of the rack, like VerbSuite.

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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 17:43:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2017/05/08 18:33:14
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Some of the older ones, like VCC, can be used in the VMR rack, but some probably never will, mostly for reason of latency (VTM, I'm looking at you). Then again, some of the new ones also remain out of the rack, like VerbSuite.


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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 17:44:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2017/05/08 18:34:38
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Some of the older ones, like VCC, can be used in the VMR rack

Hence my ""evolution" comment.
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 18:10:05 (permalink)
And, FG-X V2 is supposed to be in VMR too.
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 18:34:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/05/08 19:40:04
And here comes ...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
FG-STRESS !!!

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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 19:40:36 (permalink)
I doan getz strezzed out over teh FG-Strezzer
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/08 20:32:00 (permalink)
As of today there's only three things in the Everything Bundle I don't own outright. One of them I'll probably never have a real need for.
 
1. FG-116 Blue FET waiting for the $99 or $79 sale)
2. Eiosis Air & Earth Modules (I do own the De-Esser and the big brother Air EQ though)
3. Virtual Preamp Collection (meh, doubtful I'll ever buy or use it)
 
I'll give the FG-Stressor a try when it comes out but that isn't what drives me to carry on.
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/09 01:11:23 (permalink)
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As of today there's only three things in the Everything Bundle I don't own outright. One of them I'll probably never have a real need for.
 
1. FG-116 Blue FET waiting for the $99 or $79 sale)
2. Eiosis Air & Earth Modules (I do own the De-Esser and the big brother Air EQ though)
3. Virtual Preamp Collection (meh, doubtful I'll ever buy or use it)
 
I'll give the FG-Stressor a try when it comes out but that isn't what drives me to carry on.


I thought the Air & Earth modules are free if you own Air EQ.


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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/09 02:32:38 (permalink)
That's what might be commonly known as pulling a bapu.

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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/09 13:18:33 (permalink)
I remember buying their entry-level drum sampler (Platinum EX? I think it was called). never got it to work properly in Sonar. There goes $49 I think it was.
 
Then I recieve 10,000 emails about other products. These get me to watch a dozen videos of Slate touting the latest and greatest. I will say, the Slate Hype Machine at full operation is an impressive thing to watch. 
 
So I bought Virtual Bus Compressor years ago, only to find it couldn't be used on mono tracks.  They must have overlooked that trivial little detail, and I must have overlooked the fine print, if there was any. If we are being fair, that's like overlooking someone trying to hand you a dixie cup full of water while they are simultaneously bathing you in a firehose of hype.
 
I know, it's a "Bus" compressor so silly me for thinking I could use it everywhere. Still, they promise a mono compatibility update, which nearly everyone is demanding for some reason. Like three years later, there it comes. 
 
Meanwhile, I receive 10,000 more emails for every new product they are shouting about, and there are plenty. Each is touted as revolutionary.
 
Let me wrap this up! I hardly ever use the VBC although it can provide satisfactory results. I think it's use interface is too cluttered for me, which another user might appreciate, but I just never got into the flow of it. And I have found other tools that suit me better.
 
I never bought the rack, the trigger thing, the SSD, nor that magical "put this on every channel and it will mix it for you!" thing . . . and I consider their track record more promise than deliver. And I'm not a "hype" person so I'm a little turned off by their incessant promotion howitzer.
 
Of course, others will swear by Slate, and "collect the whole set" . . . so it's whatever floats your bloat.  :)
 
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/09 13:49:27 (permalink)
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I thought the Air & Earth modules are free if you own Air EQ.


yup. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/11 19:02:31 (permalink)
My experience is similar to Tom's - I chased that mono bus issue for weeks without resolution and was so frustrated.
 
The promise of a v2 for FGx...
 
Moving everything into their virtual rack...
 
Over hyping everything and dissing competitors by name like UAD...
 
I don't doubt they have some good plugins, but I probably won't buy another Slate product...
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/11 19:19:39 (permalink)
I'm more intrigued with Slate's hardware than their plugins. The VMS microphones and upcoming VRS interface, along with other interesting tech like the Raven touch console, are potential game-changers. Maybe not for everyone, but they could prove disruptive to the traditional ways.
 
And I still love their virtual drum software. Some of my favorite drum samples are in those expansion packs like CLA and Blackbird. 
 
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/11 19:21:28 (permalink)
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And I still love their virtual drum software. Some of my favorite drum samples are in those expansion packs like CLA and Blackbird. 
 

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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/12 00:59:37 (permalink)
Personally, I've found the Everything Bundle to be great.  I've had them for 5 months, and really getting them to work well for me.  So much less expensive than Waves & UAD options...  I find Steven's hype over the top, but...
 
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/12 03:26:02 (permalink)
I'm a Slate fan starting with Slate Digital Trigger. It's intuitive, works great and the samples are awesome. I also Like the FGX, VCC and the VBC. I never experienced the mono issue because I've always used it on a buss. Then the Virtual Mix Rack came a long, I like it and it's nice that they made the vcc compatible. They lost me when they went with the subscription. I still use the stuff I've purchase though.
 
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/12 06:12:19 (permalink)
I think the Slate plugs sound great, but I find myself using them less and less because of the 'Rack'. I just can't warm up to it. I already have a 'rack' in my DAW. It annoys me to be locked into a rack within a rack. I can understand how others may like it, but for me, it has limited my use of Slate plugins to mostly one.. VCC. I want to see what plugins are loaded on a channel by simply looking at the mixer.

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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/12 07:28:14 (permalink)
strange that FGX v2 hasn't arrived yet. Perhaps I'm wrong about this but wasn't it just a couple of weeks away about 3-4 years ago!

 
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Re: Anyone else find the Slate Digital stuff over-packaged and confusing? 2017/05/12 08:13:05 (permalink)
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strange that FGX v2 hasn't arrived yet. Perhaps I'm wrong about this but wasn't it just a couple of weeks away about 3-4 years ago!


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