kristoffer
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Anyone for midi guitar?
I've just bought a Roland GK-3 "midi" pickup, and is looking for a HW part to connect this to. Out of curiosity I wondered if there are anyone else having a guitar synth here? What do you have and how do you use it? Myself, have no idea yet but my goal is to play midi notes on my guitar Will use softsynts only, probably.
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kristoffer
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Re:Anyone for midi guitar?
2011/09/05 16:56:46
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Ah, forgot to say. I could of course learn how to play the keyboard, for real. But I'm too busy/lazy/incompetent (take a pick)
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Re:Anyone for midi guitar?
2011/09/05 17:32:19
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I had a Roland Guitar Synth many many years ago. The pickup just splits the audio of the individual guitar strings and sends them to a device that converts the individual audio channels to midi notes. One converted to midi, you can midi out to a soft synth. I would think you need a Roland GR55 or equivalent to connect the pickup to first. Then you can run midi from that into your soft synths.
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Re:Anyone for midi guitar?
2011/09/05 21:14:01
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I use a GK-3 pickup going in to a Roland GR-20. It has some nice sounds and a lot of mediocre sounds. There is not a lot of editing capabilities for the sounds but at least it can send MIDI signals to a hardware or software synth. Being able to mix guitar and synth sounds is quite nifty as well. The latency takes a little getting used to though. It is interesting to watch people's faces as you strum a piano, strings, etc. on your guitar :-) .
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cecelius2
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Yes, I use midi guitars. I have two Godin midi guitars, one Multiac Nylon and one LGx-Sa. I also use three different midi guitar modules--two Axon AX100mk2 (one as a backup) and a Roland GI-20. Generally speaking the industry standard has become the Axon, but it is no longer made. It has by far the fastest tracking system. I use it for most midi guitar applications. Yet, I still use the Roland GI-20 for the nylon Godin Multiac because for some reason it tracks the nylon strings better. When I played live years ago in the 90's, I used the Godins, with Axon controller, then ran midi out into two rack synths, Roland JV1080 & an Alesis QSR rack synth. While the Axon has a Yamaha SB sound card in it with XM synth sounds, I do not like its sounds--very thin. The outboard synths are better. Now days, I use the Midi guitars for recording direct into the computer and triggering soft synths like Kontakt, Trillian (way cool on midi guitar), Omnisphere, etc..... I tend also to use it for jazz and progressive rock tunes. It is also good for recording the midi notes simultaneous with the guitar regular 1/4 inch output jack. This technique makes it easier to get some guitar and synth parts down tightly and in sync together in one pass. However, I use a keyboard for recording almost all of my other midi music. A word of warning. There is a major different technique required to play midi guitar. It is not for strumming or loose or sloppy playing. One must adapt a very, very clean style of playing, and I find that I play more like a pianist than a guitarist when using the midi guitars. It was always fun to see people's eyes open wide when the guitarist is playing trombones, or violins, or pipe organs. They look around trying to figure out who is playing synths or keyboards, when it is the midi guitarist. Just be ready to work at your technique and you will find a new world at your finger tips. Have fun! Cecelius2
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Re:I have two
2011/09/06 10:16:06
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I have a Casio MG510 strat midi controller that I’ve had for about 15 years now. I use it mostly with my soft synths but occasionally I will use a hard synth with it. It also has two single and one spiltable humbucker pickup on it for pure guitar sounds. It was a lot of fun playing out with it as people would wonder where, for example, that flute sound was coming from! One word of caution, don’t think you can pick up a midi guitar and just start playing like you now can with your regular axe. You must look at this as a new instrument. As mentioned your playing technique is very important, you must be very articulate or you will get many glitches. But they can be corrected. Midi guitar is a whole lot of fun! Good luck.
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Re:I have two
2011/10/04 10:47:29
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I have the GK2 mounted on my Variax using a POD XT Live and the Roland GR30. Yea, I love the looks a lot of folks have when they are asking "whadaya mean the sound is in them boxes"? Funny as heck.
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Re:I have two
2011/10/05 00:16:53
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I have a Roland GR 50 and the PU is a G2??. Anyways the first reply is sort of wrong as the Roland system triggered the synths directly, not through MIDI, this removed some of the latency. Using it to trigger a MIDI synth was a very large delay. Newer models are probably better but there will always be a little latency. As said, you have to play very clean and accurately of false notes are triggered. I play as a solo performer and this gave me a better "show" It gave me the ability to play organ, flute, horn and kinda piano solos. String pads are also very cool put underneath slow chords. You really need to work with it and play it as a whole new instrument. It is not a keyboard, it is not a guitar. I stopped using it because It trashed the set up on my guitar. You have to set the string height to optimize the trigger.It's possibly the best guitar tuner I ever used. I would love to own the Godin as I think that's the best set up. There was a guitar builder in my town who was using multi string pizio's and some chip he bought to have the Roland trigger built in under his bridge saddles. It was a $800 option.
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Re:I have two
2011/10/07 17:33:13
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Find a used Axon controller. They may not be in production anymore but they are still the best in tracking and midi out.
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kristoffer
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Re:I have two
2011/10/09 03:44:16
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Jumbicat Find a used Axon controller. They may not be in production anymore but they are still the best in tracking and midi out. Does it work the same way as the Roland? you have to have the Axon midi pickup with the "thingy" installed at your guitar: a special 13 pin cable to a interface (roland, axon whatever) and it is the interface which is midi out?
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Re:I have two
2011/10/09 10:56:19
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The Axon line of controllers all use the GK pickups and have a 13 pin input. The midi out portion is the most important feature since most use a guitar to midi controller to trigger external sound modules. "Does it work the same way as the Roland?" No. That's why Axon are superior to Roland. There's plenty of data available on the internet that covers the difference. just google; Axon Early Transient Recognition
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Re:I have two
2011/10/12 17:38:07
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With Midi out you can even connect to to an iOS device and control TONS of apps now that use Core Midi. SampleTank iOS on the go and your good. :)
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kristoffer
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Re:I have two
2011/11/29 17:41:07
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Thanks for all the input guys, I have now received a GR-30 and installed my GK pickup and it plays nicely. I did search for a Axxon, but they are quite popular (and unfortunately not common) Most eBay auctions ended in over 600$. I'm waiting for the new one from the inventer of Axon [link=http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3444.0]http://www.vguitarforums....index.php?topic=3444.0[/link] Until then, I'm learning this step by step :) The GR-30 has quite good sounds, and the tracking (after some adjustmest of my guitar) is very good. Midi out tracking is not soo good, but works for simpler melody lines and stuff like that. you who have the Roland units, how do you set it up? I've found a instrument definition file, is that just for selecting the sound in Sonar? (sorry, never working much with midi....) and, is it possible to use the GR-30 as a midi playback module? or can it only playback 2 sounds at a time?
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Re:I have two
2011/11/29 22:23:01
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As I said I have the GR 50 which I think might be about the same. It was a 3 channel playback sound module and then hogs 12 channels for the guitar synth part. The MIDI output has an increase in latency so I could never trigger outboard gear with it live. There were all sorts of issues with that. I would hope they made improvements but you have to understand what it is doing and why this happens. It works like a guitar tuner where it has to analyze the frequency being played , this is why , just like a guitar tuner, you have to play solid and clean. Think of it as 6 guitar tuners wagging there needles back and forth. This is sent to the GR-50 ( or whatever)as a digital ( not MIDI) impulse that defines a note value that will trigger a synth , a lot has happened between playing the note and the impulse to the synth,Processing ( read , number crunching) therefore the latency. Converting this into MIDI would add even more latency. The 13 pin became the standard so you can now plug into a larger variety of sound generating modules. I found for recording it created a monster for editing with a zillion CC events, so I never record the MIDI output but the actual audio of the synth. Very cool when you record both the guitars natural sound and the synth. It's a bit of an underused instrument as people keep thinking about it the wrong way, first, it is not a replacement for a keyboard. It does a better job of more fluid sounds like flute or sax.
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