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Anyone have a workaround for this?
I often tweak tracks ... EQ, compression, etc.
Working all night in X1B was a bit frustrating. I have a keybind for SOLO track as "/". In 8.5.3, as long as the track was selected I could use it.
In X1B - if I am in the Pro Channel Tab (there is NO SOLO or MUTE THERE, sigh!), I cannot use the "/" key.
This means I have to continually move my mouse over to the track #, hit "/", move back to pro channel, etc.
I'm sure many of you solo a track to do adjustments, then unsolo to hear in context, then solo again to make more adjustments, etc. Having to move around so much is absolutely maddening.
If someone has a workaround, I would love to hear it.
Thanks in advance.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 02:53:14
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Another reason I use a control surface.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 03:00:05
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John
Another reason I use a control surface.
John, I do too, but sometimes if your hands are already on the mouse and/or keyboard, it's just more convenient. This just seems so backwards, to be frank. Not being to solo a track while working ON that track -- albeit in the pro channel - makes no sense to me.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 13:19:45
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 13:44:54
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I am not sure how solo is hard to do with a CS and still work with PC. But wouldn't one solo the track first then work on say an FX for that track?
Isn't there a chain of actions that would naturally follow one another for this sort of thing? Or are you talking about doing things simultaneously?
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 14:09:50
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I am not sure how solo is hard to do with a CS and still work with PC. But wouldn't one solo the track first then work on say an FX for that track?
Isn't there a chain of actions that would naturally follow one another for this sort of thing? Or are you talking about doing things simultaneously?
I probably should do a video to show the wasted mouse/hand gestures regarding this. If you are trying to tweak the settings in the Pro Channel (EQ, Comp, etc) - there is no SOLO or MUTE buttons in that Tab (which amazes me). So, again, that means having to swing your mouse - your use your control surface if you prefer - to go back and forth between the track itself (and you must click on the track # anyway) and the dials/knobs in the PC. This is a LOT of movement if you are just trying to tweak something. If the keybinding would simply WORK as expected (ie, it toggles the SOLO in this case) then it's a simple gesture; a toggle period. As is - it's time consuming and requires way more gesturing than it should. I don't mean to be crude - but to me it is a very dumb thing not to be able to use a keybinding to toggle SOLO when the track IS active and you're working on the PC tweaks. It makes no sense whatsoever to me.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 14:32:41
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I don't mean to be crude - but to me it is a very dumb thing not to be able to use a keybinding to toggle SOLO when the track IS active and you're working on the PC tweaks. It makes no sense whatsoever to me. I can't disagree with this.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 14:55:12
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ba_midi
I often tweak tracks ... EQ, compression, etc.
Working all night in X1B was a bit frustrating. I have a keybind for SOLO track as "/". In 8.5.3, as long as the track was selected I could use it.
In X1B - if I am in the Pro Channel Tab (there is NO SOLO or MUTE THERE, sigh!), I cannot use the "/" key.
This means I have to continually move my mouse over to the track #, hit "/", move back to pro channel, etc.
I'm sure many of you solo a track to do adjustments, then unsolo to hear in context, then solo again to make more adjustments, etc. Having to move around so much is absolutely maddening.
If someone has a workaround, I would love to hear it.
Thanks in advance.
Billy, it looks like there are duplicate entries in keybindings for "Solo all selected tracks," one under Track View and one under Global Bindings. The one under Global Bindings seems to work okay when PC Tab is active, so maybe switch your binding to that one and see if it works.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:23:20
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StepD is right. Set this as a Global KeyBind not as a Track key bind and it should work fine.
I just opened my 8.5.3 and it worked the same there. If I only set the key bind in Track View as soon as I entered the inspector, or opened the Sonitus EQ it wouldn't solo the track. Only when I bound it globally would it work as you explained.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:33:35
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ba_midi
I often tweak tracks ... EQ, compression, etc.
Working all night in X1B was a bit frustrating. I have a keybind for SOLO track as "/". In 8.5.3, as long as the track was selected I could use it.
In X1B - if I am in the Pro Channel Tab (there is NO SOLO or MUTE THERE, sigh!), I cannot use the "/" key.
This means I have to continually move my mouse over to the track #, hit "/", move back to pro channel, etc.
I'm sure many of you solo a track to do adjustments, then unsolo to hear in context, then solo again to make more adjustments, etc. Having to move around so much is absolutely maddening.
If someone has a workaround, I would love to hear it.
Thanks in advance.
Billy, it looks like there are duplicate entries in keybindings for "Solo all selected tracks," one under Track View and one under Global Bindings. The one under Global Bindings seems to work okay when PC Tab is active, so maybe switch your binding to that one and see if it works.
Well thank you! That indeed does work! It's funny how little things like this (ie the ability to solo a track while tweaking) can take on importance in the workflow. The only thing I still don't like is that the user has to click on the "track #" explicitly rather than anywhere in the track header -- though this is acceptable at least. Thank you again for this!
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:34:55
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StepD is right. Set this as a Global KeyBind not as a Track key bind and it should work fine.
I just opened my 8.5.3 and it worked the same there. If I only set the key bind in Track View as soon as I entered the inspector, or opened the Sonitus EQ it wouldn't solo the track. Only when I bound it globally would it work as you explained.
Coda, Yes, Step was right, and I thank him for that. I imported my 8.5.3 keybindings - which worked great for me -- so I'm not sure why it didn't "follow through". BUT, more importantly is that making this change does solve this problem (mostly). Thanks guys.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:35:51
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IT still would be nice to have the "M"ute and "S"olo buttons in the PC view like it is in the other inspector views.
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:46:54
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Billy, you probably already know this, but I just learned from Scott, that you can hit the "," (comma key) , to select the active track without having to click on the track number. Not always useful, but at times it is more useful that digging down to the track number. Just a thought
Ron
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:52:23
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Resolution at last. Nothing better then a resolved issue!
I am not sure about what made CW place the PC in the track as it has but my one view of it is that they did it because they wanted it to look as a true track effect and not pasted on like the old Sonitus EQ. However pasted on can have its own charm. I liked the ability to open up the full EQ to adjust it with much greater control. I have yet to decide if I like it as it is or not. I would like a much bigger EQ screen then is now possible. It would be nice to break it out and re-size it for better control. Its too small for fine control in my view. But then I may be missing something.
I think its clear that like every plugin CW has ever created it needs further GUI development. Even if this is not a "plugin". LOL
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 15:55:18
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Yes... I believe it should be on the inspector. who are we kidding here. A track is a track... Each of these are supposed to be alternate ways of viewing the tools. they currently force us to split our work zones whether we choose to or not...
...and as a note. I complained (in X1a) that tho we can assign a key to solo selected track(s), we can NOT set it to solo the CURRENT track... there is no longer a shortcut for select CURRENT track...
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 16:09:38
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Billy, you probably already know this, but I just learned from Scott, that you can hit the "," (comma key) , to select the active track without having to click on the track number. Not always useful, but at times it is more useful that digging down to the track number. Just a thought
Ron
Ron, Actually - I forgot about that one, so thanks for the reminder. I'll see if it actually works lol
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Re:Anyone have a workaround for this?
2011/03/22 16:14:07
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John
Resolution at last. Nothing better then a resolved issue!
I am not sure about what made CW place the PC in the track as it has but my one view of it is that they did it because they wanted it to look as a true track effect and not pasted on like the old Sonitus EQ. However pasted on can have its own charm. I liked the ability to open up the full EQ to adjust it with much greater control. I have yet to decide if I like it as it is or not. I would like a much bigger EQ screen then is now possible. It would be nice to break it out and re-size it for better control. Its too small for fine control in my view. But then I may be missing something.
I think its clear that like every plugin CW has ever created it needs further GUI development. Even if this is not a "plugin". LOL
I'm definitely not a fan of the approach they took with the PC. It's one thing to 'have it', it's another thing to have it stuck like glue on a channel. For example, when working in the PC tab itself - you cannot see the overall level of the track unless you also have the console view open - and your eyes are good enough to go back and forth ;) I also don't want to use the PC on everything but it's still there when I don't want it. I also like being able to expand / explode the GUI for the EQ just like double clicking on any plugin and bringing up its GUI. There are a number of design things that - regardless of what others think - seem old style (not new) to me. But oh well. Where are where we are. I'm still going to be looking at Cubase and watching Studio One develop -- even though Sonar is miles ahead of that one for now. I'm working in X1B for now, though; so I'm going to have to live with the things I don't like. And I'll still use 8.5.3 when I don't want headaches ;) I get to see/use SOOO much more on the screen in 8.5.3 and that holds me back in X1 a lot.
post edited by ba_midi - 2011/03/22 16:15:47
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